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[Evelinessa]

TripLight wrote...

Evelinessa wrote...

 Oh and if you've ever seen the rejection scene to Garrus' romance then you can really see he cares. He looks so sad in it and even trys to play it off like it was nothing so he can still help Shepard.

That would be really amazing if we can share a room with an LI. Then hopefully we get Garrus hug and cuddle scenes.

Only on youtube..and I damn near 'ed. I mean I can't even NOT give Lorik Quinn his data or charm him, because screwing him and other characters I love over makes me feel absolutely horrible. They are so believeable it's like I really am screwing over actual people. I even had to turn off the volume when I saw Garrus' rejection, the emotion in his voice nearly killed me.

Yeah I watched it on youtube and I turned the volume down too. I also had a hard time looking directly at him and immediately after that I watched the real romance scene about 5 times and then I felt better. I don't know how anyone could do that to him and keep it that way. She rejects him at the worse possible time too.. right after he trys his best to complement her and gets all nervous. Rejecting him is bad enough but rejecting him right after he says that? That's heartless. 

[Leonia]

AlphaDormante wrote...

What I want to see handled in the romance's future is not only how the interspecies relationship affects Shepard and Garrus, but how it affects the society around them. Has there ever been an interspecies relationship other than with asari? Think of poor friendzoned turian!

I want the galaxy to know. I want to encourage uncommon interspecies relationships. I want to fight the haters, to instill courage in the hopefuls, to punch Al-Jilani in the face again! I want to start the revolution!!

Yeah! I want to see the look on the Terra Firma leader's face.. also, I want to see the turian Councillor's expression when it turns out the Reapers are real and Shepard is on her way to becoming a turian citizen.

Heck, I want to see how The Illusive Man gets upset about it. Yeah.. here he was, thinking he would let Shepard recruit Garrus so she would feel more comfortable about having someone she could trust on the team.. only to watch the relationship go just that one step further. Bet he wasn't expecting that.

Modifié par leonia42, 14 janvier 2011 - 07:34 .

[Fiery Phoenix]

In my opinion, Jack's rejection is the absolute worst. Garrus' comes second.

[AlphaDormante]

leonia42 wrote...

I want to see the turian Councillor's expression when it turns out the Reapers are real and Shepard is on her way to becoming a turian citizen.

Velarn: Shepard, do something! The Reapers are attacking the Citadel again!
Shepard: Ah, yes, the "Citadel". The giant floating spaceship maintained by ancient bug people and built by the "Reapers". Can it wait for a bit? I'm in the middle of calibrating Garrus.
Velarn:

Modifié par AlphaDormante, 14 janvier 2011 - 08:32 .

[Arkaylia]

Pacifien wrote...

I would think that Shepard's death would have enough of an impact on Garrus that it would seem odd that the order of events would be the ship blowing up then Garrus goes to C-Sec/Spectre training then Garrus decides it's not worth it. I see it as Garrus entering C-Sec/Spectre training, being moderately not happy about it, discovering Shepard had died, then leaving for Omega.

I've just started ME2 again (am filling in time till DA2 :-)  ) and when you go to Omega, Aria mentions that Arkangel has been there for a couple of months...given that Femshep has been dead for 2 years, unless Garrus went into status for 22 months, it would seem as if he filled in time by going to C-Sec/Spectre training until he got fed up and then left for Omega, but going by that, it does not seem likely that it was Shep's death that sparked his merc killing rampage.

[Arkaylia]

I just watched Garrus' rejection - that is so sad! :-(



I'm really hoping that the relationship carries on building in ME3, that scene were he touched Shep's arm was so moving, it gave me goosebumps - I really think that it would be really evil of BW if they tried to make out it was a one nighter - it certainly doesn't feel that way as you watch it. You can almost feel the tension between them and I really want to see them get to a point where they are comfortable around each other like that and can tell each other how they feel. I would love to meet his family.



I wonder if the reason why he keeps talking about blowing off steam is because he is trying to cover up his nerves, coupled with the fact that he'd probably convinced himself Shep would never be interested and combine that with the fact she never comes out and says she cares about him.



It's almost like joking around in a way that is easily covered if he got rejected - I'd really like to see his confidence grow more so he can actually take the step to revealing his feelings.



Mind you I was cringing in the romance scene - I kept yelling at Femshep to just say something comforting, or hug him, or kiss him...but she just kept standing there watching him dangle - it was rather evil!

[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

leonia42 wrote...

AlphaDormante wrote...

What I want to see handled in the romance's future is not only how the interspecies relationship affects Shepard and Garrus, but how it affects the society around them. Has there ever been an interspecies relationship other than with asari? Think of poor friendzoned turian!

I want the galaxy to know. I want to encourage uncommon interspecies relationships. I want to fight the haters, to instill courage in the hopefuls, to punch Al-Jilani in the face again! I want to start the revolution!!

Yeah! I want to see the look on the Terra Firma leader's face.. also, I want to see the turian Councillor's expression when it turns out the Reapers are real and Shepard is on her way to becoming a turian citizen.

Heck, I want to see how The Illusive Man gets upset about it. Yeah.. here he was, thinking he would let Shepard recruit Garrus so she would feel more comfortable about having someone she could trust on the team.. only to watch the relationship go just that one step further. Bet he wasn't expecting that.

I completely agree guys! Plus, I like revolutions . As for the romance in ME3, I remember someone having an idea that it would be really cool if you could decide which direction the romance could head with your current LI in ME3. For example, if you wanted kids (I would definately not) then you could pick that option, go off fighting injustice throughout the galaxy together (my choice) or get married, etc.

However, I don't think it is Garrus' style to say the 'l' word. It suits Thane and Liara, not Garrus. But I think that he would show his love to Shepard through his actions, his devotion and his words. Going to Palaven and meeting his family is a must!

I also like the idea that there are societal consequences of having a relationship with a turian. Of course, Mordin provides vids, so it has been done before, but Shepard and Garrus are both famous people, so it makes sense for Jilani woman to stick her nose in again. Although, I do wonder if that Krogan headbutt finished off her journalist career .

[Leonia]

I was vaguely thinking about how the "kids" thing would work since they have totally different amino acids in their bodies. I also, for some reason, keep thinking Shepard is sterile but can't remember why I think that.



But I could see a relationship between two very high-profile individuals causing quite a stir on the galactic scene.. if they don't both end up dead by the end of ME3, and even then.. their relationship might inspire people a bit. There's too many racist groups like Terra Firma running around out there and it'd be nice to counter their agenda.

[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

Well, I understand that Garrus and Shepard can't have kids, but I was thinking in terms of other LI's. Besides, there are no references to cross species people (asari reproduction aside, of course.)



There has been speculation that Shepard is sterile because of the 'upgrades' Cerberus implanted her with when they rebuilt her. Also, in the cinematic bit of the Lazarus project reviving Shepard, it shows that there are cybernetic enhancements. Miranda is mostly genetically created, and she can't have children, and that is why people think that Shepard may not be able to have children either. That is probably where you got it from.



Yeah, I would love for a Garrus femshep romance to inspire others to be more embracing of different cultures. And also get people to push past the resentement between turians and humans. I completely agree with you! Get rid of alien prejudice!

[Sialater]

Arkaylia wrote...

Pacifien wrote...

I would think that Shepard's death would have enough of an impact on Garrus that it would seem odd that the order of events would be the ship blowing up then Garrus goes to C-Sec/Spectre training then Garrus decides it's not worth it. I see it as Garrus entering C-Sec/Spectre training, being moderately not happy about it, discovering Shepard had died, then leaving for Omega.

I've just started ME2 again (am filling in time till DA2 :-)  ) and when you go to Omega, Aria mentions that Arkangel has been there for a couple of months...given that Femshep has been dead for 2 years, unless Garrus went into status for 22 months, it would seem as if he filled in time by going to C-Sec/Spectre training until he got fed up and then left for Omega, but going by that, it does not seem likely that it was Shep's death that sparked his merc killing rampage.

He could have been there longer and just not on Aria's radar.  There is no conclusive time line for Garrus' arrival on Omega.  It may not have been Shep's death, but her denigration by the Alliance and the Council that sparked his departure.

Jacob says that Shepard was the poster girl for six months.  Then they pitched her as a recruiting tool for a composite because she didn't focus-test right.  I figure it's about that time that both the Alliance and The Council start downplaying/discrediting the Savior of the Citadel's claims about the geth and the Reapers.   Shortly after, Garrus gets fed up and takes off.

He spends a few months on Omega taking pot shots at mercs and "getting results" until people start joining him.  Aria wouldn't notice him until he had his full team and was taking on large bands of mercs and really putting a dent in their operations.  She would then watch him to see if he was a threat to her status quo.  But if all he's doing is taking out her competitors, she wouldn't move against him.  It could be only a few months since she realized he was around.  After all, it's not like he left legal records of his arrival on Omega or Cerberus would know him as more than "Archangel."

And frankly, if Cerberus knew who he was, there's no way in hell Shepard would have been sent to recruit him.

[Pacifien]

Bah. Timelines. Aria implies Garrus has only been there for a few months. The Illusive Man implies Garrus fell off the radar not long after Shepard died. And the comic book implies Garrus was on Omega the same time Liara was. I spit on you, timelines!

[Aeowyn]

Actually, doesn't Feron say in the comic that the sniper was a Cerberus operative?

[jtav]

I have a tangentially related question. I'm trying to write Garrus for the first time, and trying to come up with an explanation for why he's not trying to do something to help fight the Reapers in Shep's absence and instead fought mercs. The answer I came up with is that he doesn't feel he really can do anything. He has no connections, no influence. But he can spend the rest pf his life trying to make the galaxy better so if it is somehow save, it'll be worth living in. He can't change the system, but he can reduce misery for individuals. And better to die taking out a drug lord than waiting for the Reapers to show up.



Does that sound remotely plausible? Anything I might have overlooked?

[Sialater]

jtav wrote...

I have a tangentially related question. I'm trying to write Garrus for the first time, and trying to come up with an explanation for why he's not trying to do something to help fight the Reapers in Shep's absence and instead fought mercs. The answer I came up with is that he doesn't feel he really can do anything. He has no connections, no influence. But he can spend the rest pf his life trying to make the galaxy better so if it is somehow save, it'll be worth living in. He can't change the system, but he can reduce misery for individuals. And better to die taking out a drug lord than waiting for the Reapers to show up.

Does that sound remotely plausible? Anything I might have overlooked?

Nope, that's pretty much how I saw his decision.  He doesn't have Shepard's charisma, and he believes he's a terrible turian.  And frankly, at the end of it, not even Shepard was believed.

[Nuala]

leonia42 wrote...

...keep thinking Shepard is sterile but can't remember why I think that.

I always thought that and I didn't know why too!

I think I kinda of rationalised it in my head that with the whole tiny little 'resurrection' thing and having helluva lot of upgrades would kind of impare the ability to have a kid that doesn't turn out half toaster.

[Pacifien]

There's a comic where Aria goes up against the Collectors on her station. Makes me think that Garrus would have also come across the Collectors doing whatever slave trade deals they used to do. Actually, makes me think of tying Garrus's recruitment with Mordin's, thinking Garrus's group came across the beginnings of the vorcha deal with the Collectors, but Sidonis's betrayal meant he couldn't do anything about it and the vorcha ended up releasing the plague.

These are things I think when I'm ill, but it sounds great at the time.

[ElectricZ]

Pacifien wrote...

Bah. Timelines. Aria implies Garrus has only been there for a few months. The Illusive Man implies Garrus fell off the radar not long after Shepard died. And the comic book implies Garrus was on Omega the same time Liara was. I spit on you, timelines!

Sialater made a good stab at it, but you really can drive yourself nuts trying to work out a viable timeline in a medium that is inherently unmappable because of all the different people working on "canon" projects. Take a look at Star Wars or Star Trek... There's no way to reconcile everything once you step outside the source material of the movies/shows. The comics, the books, the games... The popularity of the universes means there's always a demand for MOAR, and the more they crank out, the harder it is for the creators who follow on to fill in the gaps without contradicting each other.

Of course, with Mass Effect "official" timelines get even more complicated because each one of us writes a different story as we go along. Try fitting all our playthroughs into a timeline.

[AntiChri5]

Well, how could Garrus have done anything to fight the Reapers?

[Sialater]

Pacifien wrote...

There's a comic where Aria goes up against the Collectors on her station. Makes me think that Garrus would have also come across the Collectors doing whatever slave trade deals they used to do. Actually, makes me think of tying Garrus's recruitment with Mordin's, thinking Garrus's group came across the beginnings of the vorcha deal with the Collectors, but Sidonis's betrayal meant he couldn't do anything about it and the vorcha ended up releasing the plague.
These are things I think when I'm ill, but it sounds great at the time.

Actually, that sounds like a good, plausible, plot point, Pacifien.    Woulda been nice to have talked to him about it.

[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

Never thought of how Garrus' RM tied up with Mordin's (aside from them both being on Omega.) Mind you, I always recruited Garrus first, so I could get his dialogue and this picture:

(I know I have posted it before, but it is a great image!





I haven't read the comics, and I really want to. Is there somewhere I can get them from for the UK please? And also, did someone mention that Garrus features in the comics?

[Sialater]

He doesn't. There's a mysterious sniper that helps Liara. But it's supposed to be a Cerberus sniper.

[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

Sialater wrote...

He doesn't. There's a mysterious sniper that helps Liara. But it's supposed to be a Cerberus sniper.

Oh right, the sniper being Garrus was the rumour I heard, but if he is Cerberus... I'm pretty sure Garrus would never get mixed up with Cerberus, for Shepard, yeah, but not just for the sake of it. Thanks

[Alienmorph]

Omega is a goddamn big station... and Garrus was busy on sh***ing on the head of the mercenaries and hunting quarian serial killers... damn... I WANT see him trackin' down that bastard... so it's not surprising that he didn't noticed one of the many asaris who transits on the station. Especially with Cerberus covering any possible trace about what Liara was doing aboard of the station.

Modifié par Alienmorph, 14 janvier 2011 - 10:43 .

[Squeeze the Fish]

So, I have a question about reoccurring themes regarding Turian sexuality (in fanfiction, mostly). I know that when you romance Garrus, Mordin pulls you aside offering some ‘helpful advice’ and says he’ll forward more info to your personal computer.



I never actually got a message, which I assume was intentional. (Unless I totally missed something.)



After reading some ShepardxGarrus fanfiction (which I’m aware is not the most trustworthy place to find actual canon info) I’ve seen a lot of authors referencing ‘behind the fringe’ and the ‘softer hide near the hips’ as being erogenous zones for turians. Also, I’ve seen more than once, (Garrus) biting Shepard’s neck and drawing blood as some kind of turian ‘marking’ thing.



Is this just totally made up? I see it over and over, but have yet to come across any real canonical support for these ideas. I mean, we can infer from Garrus’ dialog about ‘fringes and waists’ that those areas are most likely attractive to turians, but beyond that- I haven’t seen anything.



I’m not trying to say what’s been written is a bad idea, or should be stopped, I’m just wondering is this a ‘fanon’ idea, or is it canon?

[TripLight]

Biting in fanfiction is pretty much fanon, and a hold over for any kind of sex that people have the other person be more then just a bit rough or animalistic. Think werewolf sex. Or instinctua(sp?). Some of it in fiction can be written fantastically, but I am starting to really tire of seeing it.

As for the Fringe and the Waist bits, I always assumed it was taken from Garrus' compliments of Shep during the last scene, and people sort of ran with it. I like it better then the biting, lol.

Modifié par TripLight, 15 janvier 2011 - 12:26 .