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[Brass_Buckles]

Uh, Stephi, that's a little, er, scary.

[Tootles FTW]

lovgreno wrote...
Garrus seems like a guy with self confidence and I think he knows that he is handsome. So he may very well have been a flirty ladies turian before. But he have some very strong principes that he doesn't compromise about. If he is committed to Shepard he is committed to only her. He might mention that some female turian looks flexible to tease Shepard though. He can be like that.

Ha! I get this impression from him, too.

Nilfalasiel wrote...
I'm not sure what's abnormal about it though. One-nighters are a feature of many young people's lives (and Garrus would probably have been in his late teens, early twenties back then).

Sorry for the confusion - I only meant "normal" in regards to the specifics of the turian scout's/Garrus encounter (they both disliked each other, and presumably the sex was rough) not that it's not normal to have a one-nighter. 

On a different topic: I wish, though I'm not expecting it at all, that we get to hear what actual turian/asari/salarian etc. language sounds like outside of the translation filters.  I don't like to think that they would sound like parrots (SQUACK BRAAACK SQUACK! is not a particularly pleasing way to whisper "I love you" in your ear), but their mouth structure doesn't really lend itself to any other assumption.  Any thoughts?

[Tootles FTW]

Brass_Buckles wrote...

I don't think that Jacob's lingering feelings for Miranda are exactly secret.

Having played Mass Effect: Galaxies, I was disappointed that there was nothing further mentioned between Jacob/Miranda, though I understand how that would be bothersome towards people who pursued a romance with either of them. In ME:G I totally 'shipped them and chose the little "" dialogue options whenever it came up - I happened to think they were quite cute.  I wonder why they would even include their little romance in ME:G if they knew ahead of time that they were going to be "the main" LIs in ME2?

I've heard it mentioned that being able to hook up your fellow squaddies is something people want to see in ME3, but even if it were an option I don't think I'd be able to pair Garrus up with anyone else but my FemShep (even in my non-Garrus LI playthroughs).  Garrus/Tali seems to be a somewhat popular non-Shep pairing, but...gah, the thought alone makes me unreasonably jealous.  With Thane I wouldn't mind the option of pairing him off with, say, Samara...but I can't do it for Garrus!

[Brass_Buckles]

Tootles FTW wrote...

lovgreno wrote...
Garrus seems like a guy with self confidence and I think he knows that he is handsome. So he may very well have been a flirty ladies turian before. But he have some very strong principes that he doesn't compromise about. If he is committed to Shepard he is committed to only her. He might mention that some female turian looks flexible to tease Shepard though. He can be like that.

Ha! I get this impression from him, too.

Nilfalasiel wrote...
I'm not sure what's abnormal about it though. One-nighters are a feature of many young people's lives (and Garrus would probably have been in his late teens, early twenties back then).

Sorry for the confusion - I only meant "normal" in regards to the specifics of the turian scout's/Garrus encounter (they both disliked each other, and presumably the sex was rough) not that it's not normal to have a one-nighter. 

On a different topic: I wish, though I'm not expecting it at all, that we get to hear what actual turian/asari/salarian etc. language sounds like outside of the translation filters.  I don't like to think that they would sound like parrots (SQUACK BRAAACK SQUACK! is not a particularly pleasing way to whisper "I love you" in your ear), but their mouth structure doesn't really lend itself to any other assumption.  Any thoughts?

Those don't tend to be "I love you" sounds with parrots either.  They're more like "HEY PAY ATTENTION TO ME!" sounds.  Parrots and parakeets mumble at each other when they're cuddled up.

But yeah I don't think Garrus would sound like a parrot.  The untranslated batarian voices in ME1 Bring Down the Sky sound like normal batarian voices except you can't understand them.  It stands to reason that turians sound pretty much the same but aren't speaking anything you would understand.  (Another point against purring.)

Edit:  And while Garrus/Tali works on the amino acid level, I don't think those two mesh very well personalitywise for romance.  They're barely friends, I think, considering how Garrus talks to Tali in ME1 and looking at their reactions to one another in ME2.

I'm okay with a non-romanced Garrus being with someone else.  In fact it's unreasonable to want him to be single if you don't romance him, although my guess is he will be if Femshep doesn't romance him.  His looks are pretty much gone.  I'd like for him to meet a nice turian post-game though, if the thing with Shep doesn't happen or doesn't work out (depending on my Shepards).

Modifié par Brass_Buckles, 07 juillet 2010 - 05:31 .

[Tootles FTW]

There are untranslated batarian voices in Bring Down the Sky?    I'll have to replay it, because that's kind of awesome.

And no, I don't want Garrus to be alone for the rest of his life unless FemShep romances him, but I also don't want to be the one to set him up with someone else.  Unlike Thane or Kaidan (...and Jacob, I suppose...) it would just be too much for my poor smitten heart to do that; let Garrus's non-romanced happy ending be implied, sure, but not in my face.

It's kinda the same way I feel about the latest DA:O DLC (the one where you play as a darkspawn) and it mentions in the codex that Alistair and Leiliana get together since your fem-PC doesn't exist.  Completely irrational, I know, but ooooh, my blood was boiling, haha!  Next time I play DA:O I'm killing that bitc...er, ahem, Leiliana.

[Alexine]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

I dont see Kaidan getting real angry at Shep moving on. He will probably be real sad and ask if shep is happy and move on. I would hide if a sentinel and Archangel where to go at it.

If Kaidan where to get real angry and confrontational then I would hate to be him. After the whopping that Harkin took. ouch.

I think that if you leave Kaidan the way he is, he'll probably be sad. But I'm hoping that if you turn Kaidan renegade, I'm hoping he'll get angry, especially if you romanced Thane or Garrus in ME2.

[Nilfalasiel]

Brass_Buckles wrote...

I replayed ME1, and while you can turn him down, Kaidan does flirt consistently with Shepard on his own outside of his regular shipboard conversations, up until you either go with the flirts or you reject him.  It doesn't matter how many times you turn these flirts down, he'll keep trying!  The first one is when you first reach the Citadel.  That one I remember for sure.  I seem to remember one or two other times, too.  You can tell him to shape up and act like a soldier, but he'll still do the second (and possibly third?) flirts.  Again, these are not shipboard flirts.

Granted Garrus gets a bit flirty, too, but with Garrus I'm reasonably sure it's not intentional or conscious on his part (somewhere in the back of his mind he might be hoping that Shepard's into men with scars or that she'll  flatter him a little, but it's probably more for mending his battered ego than it's meant as a 'Hey, Shepard, are you into me now that I have this badass battle scar?').  Kaidan on the other hand knows perfectly well what he's doing when he starts telling his commander how great she looks, etc.  And frankly, if he's really interested, he ought not gawk so openly at the asari at Chora's Den!

Kaidan's comment on the Citadel is a Freudian slip, it's not conscious. He genuinely didn't want to say it and acts embarrassed if Shep actually responds positively ("I appreciate the thought, Alenko"). By contrast, Ashley's response to a MaleShep in that convo is a lot more inappropriate: "if you want me in thigh-high boots and a tinfoil miniskirt, you'll have to buy me dinner first...sir". That's not an involuntary slipup. And that convo is Kaidan's only instance of flirting with Shep off the Normandy. After that, if you turn him down during his very first convo on the Normandy, he'll have the same convos with a FemShep as with a MaleShep. So no, no unsolicited flirting. If you don't turn him down during his first convo, then you ARE, at the very least, getting personal with him, which is easily misinterpreted, especially since you already know the guy actually does like you. I'm currently replaying ME1, so I'll pay extra attention to his convos (since it'll be another single FemShep run), but I'm pretty sure that turning him down during his first convo precludes all subsequent slipups.
 
I'm not a fan of Kaidan's behaviour in ME2, but seriously, his romance in ME1 is not as obtrusive as the other 2. As for gawking in Chora's Den, that doesn't really bother me. Most guys I know would've commented on it. Heck, *I* would've commented on it, even if I was interested in someone else, and even if that someone else was present at the time. It's harmless. Besides, you gotta remember that Shep has expressed no interest in him when you first go there.
 

Giggles_Manically wrote…
 
mmmm LOOK at thissss, sneakin into the COMMANDERSSS quartersss. heavy RISK

buttehPRIIZEE.

 
*gigglesnort*
 
I simply CAN’T take that line seriously.
 

battlechantress wrote…
 
I don't *think* fanfic writers mean that he purrs like a cat per se. I think it's supposed to be more like rumbling from the chest that writers feel they can only describe as purring.

 
Yep, that’s the way I see it too. I’ve described voices with that same effect as purring before, so it really doesn’t strike me as odd that it would be used for Garrus too.
 

TootlesFTW wrote…
 
I've heard it mentioned that being able to hook up your fellow squaddies is something people want to see in ME3, but even if it were an option I don't think I'd be able to pair Garrus up with anyone else but my FemShep (even in my non-Garrus LI playthroughs).  Garrus/Tali seems to be a somewhat popular non-Shep pairing, but...gah, the thought alone makes me unreasonably jealous.  With Thane I wouldn't mind the option of pairing him off with, say, Samara...but I can't do it for Garrus!

 
Tali + Kal’Reegar = yes please (I know he ain’t a squaddie, but still)
 
Garrus + Tali = I don’t see it. She doesn’t take his teasing well at all. More than that, I don’t think Garrus would pair well with any of the other squaddies, so it would have to be a non-squaddie NPC. Maybe a turian female you meet somewhere?
 
Samara has given up on romance, so I really don’t see her paired off with anybody. It’s pretty much the same for non-romanced Thane: he finds peace of mind and gets psychologically ready to die. That’s actually why the idea of romancing him makes me feel a bit guilty: you unsettle him when he’d finally managed to resolve his conflicts.
 
As for untranslated batarian, yes, you can hear them giving orders to their varren when you fight your first batch of batarians in BDtS (they say something like “Chekt, chekt!”).
 
Also, Jackalope’s Garrus email and lovgreno’s exchange between Garrus and Kaidan are both full of win.
 
@ stephi: If you tell me how exactly you want to play it, I can give you a hand with the organizing.

Modifié par Nilfalasiel, 07 juillet 2010 - 11:23 .

[Collider]

I think Tali and Kal'Reegar would be cute. Kal's a gentleman and that's fantastic. He needs to man up a bit, though. Be a little more confident.

Garrus, I can't really see him being with anyone we know of in Mass Effect. None of them are really his type. Aside from maybe the scout - but that wasn't anything serious.

Modifié par Collider, 07 juillet 2010 - 08:43 .

[lovgreno]

Brass_Buckles wrote..
His looks are pretty much gone.

That scar is just a minor detail on his left cheek, in general he is still the same handsome young turian. It doesn't seem to bother him or Shepard wich the "guys with scars" jokes implies.
I don't think the calm Kaidan would  show any hostility against a Garrus that dates his ex. Garrus can be a bit of a jerk and smartass sometimes but I don't think he would sink so low to troll Kaidan about stealing his girl. If Kaidan should start something however Garrus would go total jerk on him as the hotheaded and slightly arrogant young man he is. Maybe not so much if Shepard heard it though.
I think Garrus and Tali knows eachother well, apreciate eachothers skills and good sides and would help and support eachothers in almost any situation. They both know that they both are in love with Shepard (romance and bro/sismance) so they have something in common. But Tali thinks Garrus is a jerk (not totaly without reason) and Garrus have no intention of acting nice if he don't feel like it so no chance of romance between them I think.
Both Tali and Garrus deserves someone and as there is only one Shepard of one gender we should get Kal'Reegar and Garrus old sparring partner on board to keep the Shepardless alien company.

[Cerrydd]

silentstephi wrote...


DA strikes again!

I thought it was funny. XD

Eeeeeee! Garrus is looking very satisfied (and blushing)! Awesome.

[Steel Dancer]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

Dear Kaidan.

You lack reach and flexibility,

Were through, sucka.

Signed Shepeipoo.

This renegade enough?

"Oh, and the night before Ilos? It doesn't happen to everyone, it does matter, and it is a big deal!"

Ok, now it's renegade enough.

[Cerrydd]

I don't know what BW is planning to do about Garrus/Kaidan, but I can't see them making a big deal out of it. I hate to call it 'cheating', it's moving on. You have to invest time in a relationship, but that's hard when you spend 2 years dead, and then save the galaxy without Kaidan at your side. Garrus and Kaidan are both mature enough to not cause a scene. If you choose one, the other will be sad and hurt of course. Especially Garrus, since you stated in ME2 that you want him and not someone closer to home, and dumping him for Kaidan could be very painful. But no matter how hotheaded or impulsive, Garrus knows the mission comes first and he wouldn't want to jeopardize the mission with something like this.

Garrus hooking up with someone else if unromanced: I wouldn't mind it at all. I would actually love to see more affection between squadmates. Shepard shouldn't be the only one to find some loooooove on the looooveship. But I don't think there's anyone on the ship right now that I could see together with Garrus. Garrus + Tali = noooooooo for me. He doesn't seem like a "oooh I'm so suave, let's pick up a girl" type to me. The night with the turian female just 'happened'. He is always focused on the mission and even though it might cross his mind that "oh wow, that woman is pretty amazing", I don't see him taking the first step.

Tali + Kal'Reegar = yeeeeeeees ma'am.
And I somehow always ship Thane and Samara in my head. Let them meditate together and get to know each other. Samara swore off love, Thane has been living alone for a while and then they fall in looooove... while Thane only has a couple months left to live to find peace in the embrace of the justicar. Ooohh TEH DRAMA.

[Nilfalasiel]

Cerrydd wrote...

Tali + Kal'Reegar = yeeeeeeees ma'am.

Speaking of those two, I noticed something when I did my MaleShep playthrough, which I obviously didn't notice my first time around. At the end of Tali's LM, when you're chatting to Kal about going to war, he actually calls Tali by name (I think it's when he's explaining that a full-out war with the geth would just end in disaster). But then she still tells him to call her Tali when you finish the convo... Didja not hear him, girl?

Or maybe she did hear, and she didn't want him switching back to "ma'am"...

And I somehow always ship Thane and Samara in my head. Let them meditate together and get to know each other. Samara swore off love, Thane has been living alone for a while and then they fall in looooove... while Thane only has a couple months left to live to find peace in the embrace of the justicar. Ooohh TEH DRAMA.

The thing is, what you say about Garrus not making the first step applies about tenfold to both Thane and Samara. They're probably two of the biggest loners on the entire ship (along with Jack and Zaeed). Thane even admits that having dinner in the mess hall makes him nervous, or something to that effect. The romance only happens because Shep keeps coming back to pester him. I don't see Samara ever doing something of the sort. Plus, she's really old. I think one of her objections to Shep is his/her age ("I've never been touched by someone so young"), so, while in Shep's case, his/her personality momentarily weakens her resolve, I don't see it happening with Thane, who has the same, prudent, calculating, reserved mindset as her. It's because Shep is so proactive that she's troubled: it might remind her of her own wilder days. At least, that's the way I saw it.

Also, can you just imagine the conversations between Thane and Samara:

"So my kid hates my guts because I abandoned him to be an assassin, and then people killed my wife to blackmail me."

"Pfft. I have three kids with a genetic disorder because I was stupid enough to have them all with another asari, and one of them decided to go on a galactic mind-sex murder spree."

"...Cooooool."

"Inorite?"

Modifié par Nilfalasiel, 07 juillet 2010 - 02:02 .

[Cerrydd]

Nilfalasiel wrote...

The thing is, what you say about Garrus not making the first step applies about tenfold to both Thane and Samara.

They don't need to make the first step. I'll set them up

[silentstephi]

As much as I think those two have in common, I actually like the Thane/Jack combo.

Don't knock it until you've read Rock Steady. It's a great take on the relationship, and the writer is fantastic.

Very plausible. Plus he wrote a Kasumi mission before she hit the DLC and kept her surprisingly IC.



Nilf, when I get out of the auto shop, I'll PM you how I want to tackle things.

^.^

Garrus is handsome before and after the scarring. While I think his flippant remarks about Krogan women finding him more attractive might seem one to think turian women didn't... I don't think his scars detract all that much from his appearance.



Then again, there might be sexual queues specific to turians that blowing up half his face has put a crimp in his style.



It certainly hasn't been detrimental to his 'tude.

[Pacifien]

I really like the idea of Kal'Reegar and Tali. It's a classic story of someone trying to hide his true feelings because he thinks they wouldn't be well received by the other party. Try bringing up that idea around certain Tali fans, though. <_<

I don't think that's how the Garrus/Shepard relationship works, though. I've read some fanfics where Garrus did have such feelings for Shepard during the events of ME1 (or vice versa), but it's not my own interpretation of how the relationship works. I think they were truly friends first who never entertained the idea until, for some reason, it occurred to one or the other why shouldn't they give it a go?

[Sialater]

Pacifien wrote...

I really like the idea of Kal'Reegar and Tali. It's a classic story of someone trying to hide his true feelings because he thinks they wouldn't be well received by the other party. Try bringing up that idea around certain Tali fans, though. <_<

I don't think that's how the Garrus/Shepard relationship works, though. I've read some fanfics where Garrus did have such feelings for Shepard during the events of ME1 (or vice versa), but it's not my own interpretation of how the relationship works. I think they were truly friends first who never entertained the idea until, for some reason, it occurred to one or the other why shouldn't they give it a go?

I'm going with heavily in denial, myself.

After all, it ain't just a river in Egypt.

[Nilfalasiel]

Pacifien wrote...

I really like the idea of Kal'Reegar and Tali. It's a classic story of someone trying to hide his true feelings because he thinks they wouldn't be well received by the other party. Try bringing up that idea around certain Tali fans, though. <_<

You wouldn't just need a flame shield. You'd need a nuke shield. Or an actual underground bunker.

I don't think that's how the Garrus/Shepard relationship works, though. I've read some fanfics where Garrus did have such feelings for Shepard during the events of ME1 (or vice versa), but it's not my own interpretation of how the relationship works. I think they were truly friends first who never entertained the idea until, for some reason, it occurred to one or the other why shouldn't they give it a go?

That sounds about right to me.

Cerrydd wrote...

They don't need to make the first step. I'll set them up

Cerrydd, Matchmaker Extraordinaire.

Modifié par Nilfalasiel, 07 juillet 2010 - 05:46 .

[Brass_Buckles]

Sialater wrote...

Pacifien wrote...

I really like the idea of Kal'Reegar and Tali. It's a classic story of someone trying to hide his true feelings because he thinks they wouldn't be well received by the other party. Try bringing up that idea around certain Tali fans, though. <_<

I don't think that's how the Garrus/Shepard relationship works, though. I've read some fanfics where Garrus did have such feelings for Shepard during the events of ME1 (or vice versa), but it's not my own interpretation of how the relationship works. I think they were truly friends first who never entertained the idea until, for some reason, it occurred to one or the other why shouldn't they give it a go?

I'm going with heavily in denial, myself.

After all, it ain't just a river in Egypt.

I think they were friends in ME1, but then in ME2 maybe Garrus has come to realized he missed Shepard a little too much.  Especially with all his flirty dialogue.  And he's a little older, a little more mature... Shepard would notice.   I don't think there's denial there so much as "after two years apart, things have changed."  I don't buy the "Garrus is secretly in love with Shepard" theory, but I would agree he probably has a crush on her even if he wouldn't admit it to himself.  Why agree to blow off steam with her if he doesn't at least find her somewhat attractive?  And why would he find her attractive at all if he didn't have a crush?  We already know he prefers turians and hasn't ever considered being with a human.  We also know that his romance is intended to parallel Tali's, and I've heard she admits to having a bit of a crush.  Garrus being Garrus, he won't admit any such thing.  Well, maybe he would in ME3, but not at the moment when so much could go wrong.

As for the Garrus's appearance being ruined thing:  I meant for other turians, not for everyone else.  Yes, he brushes it off in a joke, but considering he brings up the scars twice (once in the romance), I think he's a bit more self-conscious about them than he lets on.  I'd also bet that it's not just his face that's scarred (especially since you can actually see THROUGH the hole in his loyalty armor, so he's probably got a hole in that shoulder-ridge structure as well).  I would guess that it probably makes him feel a little better about himself that Shepard's interested in him despite the scars (or possibly because of them) if you romance him, but I still wish I could have my main Shepard tell him that the scars have nothing to do with why she wants him specifically.

[Lady Dino]

You know, I was thinking that Liara might be a good match for Garrus now that she's all hell bent on turning the Shadow Broker into soup. They both had very similar character developments between 1 & 2. Garrus starts out as a well-meaning cop wanting to fight justice anyway he can, then becomes a super merc-killing bada** vigilante. Liara's your typical cute and clingy virgin (and an archeologist to boot) who some how changes into this "takes no sh*t" true blood asari commando who has turned her love of learning into a weapon. I think once she deals with the shadow broker Garrus and Liara might find they have more in common then they realized.

Though there might be a lot of baggage there seeing as Liara is in love with Shep. Ah well, she's the only one I could see with him atm.

[Collider]

Liara is slowly becoming the person she wants to take vengeance on - the Shadow Broker. Garrus did want to take down Saleon and Sidonis, but he'd never kill possibly innocent people like how Liara implies. Saleon had civilians with him by circumstance, so he does not truly count for Garrus.

I will also add that Liara isn't the action hero that Shepard is. Before ME1, she was a 100 year old archaeologist recluse. In ME2, she appears to want to take down the Shadow Broker more for revenge rather than genuine desire to fight crime (considering she asks you to break the law...) and corruption.

I also always felt that the relationship between the two was strictly professional. Garrus is more casual with just about every other squad mate.

Modifié par Collider, 07 juillet 2010 - 07:29 .

[Nilfalasiel]

Lady Dino wrote...

You know, I was thinking that Liara might be a good match for Garrus now that she's all hell bent on turning the Shadow Broker into soup. They both had very similar character developments between 1 & 2. Garrus starts out as a well-meaning cop wanting to fight justice anyway he can, then becomes a super merc-killing bada** vigilante. Liara's your typical cute and clingy virgin (and an archeologist to boot) who some how changes into this "takes no sh*t" true blood asari commando who has turned her love of learning into a weapon. I think once she deals with the shadow broker Garrus and Liara might find they have more in common then they realized.
Though there might be a lot of baggage there seeing as Liara is in love with Shep. Ah well, she's the only one I could see with him atm.

Concerning the shady stuff Liara's implicated in in ME2, I seriously doubt that would ever work. Garrus is, first and foremost, a stickler for justice, so I don't think what she does would sit very well with him. And yes, she is almost obsessively fixated on Shep, so that's another major hurdle.

I also agree with Collider that she's nowhere near as action-oriented as Shep, and that their convos in ME1 were strictly professional. I'd even say she's one of the squaddies I'd be least likely to pair with Garrus, ME1 and ME2 combined.

Brass_Buckles wrote...

 I'd also bet that it's not just his face that's scarred (especially since you can actually see THROUGH the hole in his loyalty armor,

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that hole in a part of his armour collar that doesn't cover any flesh? There is a burn mark in the back on his shoulder, but that's not through-and-through. The hole on the collar is, but there's nothing underneath.

Modifié par Nilfalasiel, 07 juillet 2010 - 07:34 .

[lovgreno]

Nilfalasiel wrote...
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that hole in a part of his armour collar that doesn't cover any flesh? There is a burn mark in the back on his shoulder, but that's not through-and-through. The hole on the collar is, but there's nothing underneath.

It's hard to say how a turian looks under the armour (It's an OUTRAGE! As Udina would say). There is some development art that implies that they do have natural collar things that should go rather high in their armours.

[Nilfalasiel]

lovgreno wrote...

Nilfalasiel wrote...
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that hole in a part of his armour collar that doesn't cover any flesh? There is a burn mark in the back on his shoulder, but that's not through-and-through. The hole on the collar is, but there's nothing underneath.

It's hard to say how a turian looks under the armour (It's an OUTRAGE! As Udina would say). There is some development art that implies that they do have natural collar things that should go rather high in their armours.

Judging by how Garrus looks in his civvies, a turian's hood/collar/whatever is considerably lower in the front than at the back. Their armour collar rises higher than their "natural" collar in the front. At least, that's what it looks like to me.

[lovgreno]

Yeah that is true.