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[Sialater]

MitisVenatrix wrote...

Sialater wrote...

MitisVenatrix wrote...

I lost a day or so of my life to that fic, all thanks to Luna.  She's sort of my filter half the time.  I'll get home from work and I'll hear, "There's this new fic you HAVE to go read."  That's how I found Persephone Rising (which I find freaking awesome, and a breath of fresh air.  It's like reading Mass Effect as written by David Weber.  And I REALLY need to get back over there and catch up.), and also how I get pointed to almost EVERY masskink fill I've ever read.  

*faints*

Seriously?  You like us, you really like us?  And David Weber?  Really?  *faints again*


Jillyfae, Sapphyreelf and I are going to be over here in the corner until the blushing stops.  

Oh good lord...

YES, I like it, Silly!  I just haven't had a chance to get over and read yet.  LOL since chapter 6.

I'll read one-shots if I have time, inbetween chaps of the other stuff, but the fics that are longer and I really want to give detailed reviews to I save for when I have bigger chunks of time.  Yours is one of those.  It's a unique angle covered by three talented writers, and that gets you props. 

Yes... but.... Jillyfae and I are HUGE Weber fans.  To get compared to him.... *faints again*

Modifié par Sialater, 17 janvier 2011 - 02:59 .

[MitisVenatrix]

Tasha vas Nar Rayya wrote...

Hehe! I guess it is a bit of money for a joke that no one will get! Yeah, maybe a bit too far. However, my geekiness comes in handy for scaring away unwanted guys? Also, I asked a question a bit ago that I phrased really badly, so I will try again (just to keep the thread on topic to Garrus.)
Why didn't Garrus stick with the spectre training? It fit with what he wanted to do, he wouldn't have to wrry about the red tape, but he still waltzed off to become a vigilante on Omega.
Why not just re-apply to be a spectre? I'm sure he would have gotten the position?

Okay, again, this is just my theory, but I think that it was probably a combination of what another poster pointed out (about the council being douche-canoes) and the way the Reaper threat was handled.  Also, you can't assume he would have been accepted, necessarily.  Depending on the Council, his father's influence (he's described as an infamous investigator) over their decisions, not to mention his father's opinions on the Spectres.
 
There's a whole list of complications that could have arisen that we know nothing but hints about.  I truly with Bioware would have given us more info on turian family customs.  But since they didn't, I'll continue to fill in the blank with Spartans. 

[Leonia]

It's interesting that the Normandy can come and go as it pleases from the Citadel, even after the Suicide Mission, maybe that is just the devs slacking or it's meant to give us the illusion that the Council is after Shepard.. yet. There really wasn't much point to reinstating her Spectre status in ME2 though, they didn't trust her from the start so not sure why they even allowed that at all. Will be interesting to see how things go in ME3. Neither the Council or the Alliance is really happy with Shepard and if you give Cerberus the finger.. well, Shepard is rapidly running out of allies.

Any who, I have some more screenies with Garrus after playing through Overlord (well, only one is from Overlord the rest are just randoms I found hanging around my screenshot folder):

Stop scratching that..


Can't catch me!


Team Badass

Modifié par leonia42, 17 janvier 2011 - 03:01 .

[MitisVenatrix]

Sialater wrote...



Yes... but.... Jillyfae and I are HUGE Weber fans.  To get compared to him.... *faints again*

That's how I feel whey my hubby compares "Tenebrea" to John Ringo, specifically his Paladin of Shadow's series.  Not a completely off comparison, since that Garrus is /very/ loosely based on Mike (warrior mentality with a soft side), but it still makes me glow. 

[Aeowyn]

Wait, if you renegaded Garrus in the first game doesn't he say that he had begun his Spectre training before he left?
I doubt Papa Vakarian has any say in Spectre and Council matters, no matter how high up in C-Sec he is.

Also, I guess the Council old and new were still basking in that newborn baby glow radiating from Shepard after she saved their asses that a recommendation from Shepard = golden.

Then ofc we get that 2 year runt where the newborn baby glow has turned into "WTS my baby" and we get the air quotes.

Modifié par Aeowyn, 17 janvier 2011 - 03:07 .

[Leonia]

I thought Papa Vakarian was retired? Could be wrong on that, hmm, actually need to know for sure for my ficcie..

[MitisVenatrix]

Aeowyn wrote...

Wait, if you renegaded Garrus in the first game doesn't he say that he had begun his Spectre training before he left?
I doubt Papa Vakarian has any say in Spectre and Council matters, no matter how high up in C-Sec he is.

Also, I guess the Council old and new were still basking in that newborn baby glow radiating from Shepard after she saved their asses that a recommendation from Shepard = golden.

Then ofc we get that 2 year runt where the newborn baby glow has turned into "WTS my baby" and we get the air quotes.

You know, I've never renegaded Garrus in the first game, so I don't know for sure...Hmmm.

But Papa Vakarian may/maynot have influence still.  Anyone who's ever hung around old school cops and career boys in blue knows that while unofficial, you don't get those sorts of positions from skill alone.  It'll take you far, but tact and politics get you the rest.  I'm not sure it would be enough to dictate anything in regards to Shepard, but in Turian Society, in relation to his kid?  Possibly.  Also possible that Garrus rethought BECAUSE of his father's dislike, though I doubt that particular outcome.  I just have a tendency to play devil's advocate so I get both sides.

As to the council?  Totally agree.  Still think they're douch-canoes, and I'm not looking forward to the idea of possibly working with them again in ME3.  But saving the galaxy should probably take precedence over personal pride, huh?

[MitisVenatrix]

leonia42 wrote...

I thought Papa Vakarian was retired? Could be wrong on that, hmm, actually need to know for sure for my ficcie..

You know *thinks hard* I don't think that is ever officially confirmed.  You just have a past tense phrasing in the inital Garrus convo  in ME2.  "My father was C-Sec.  One of the best.  I used see him on the vids after a big arrest..."

That conversation is the only time he's offically mentioned, though I have a feeling that he's probably with Mama Vakarian now.  I can't imagine Sol could take care of someone with turian alhiemers on her own.  Not that I went that route for my story arc.

[widowspeak]

MitisVenatrix wrote...


As to the council?  Totally agree.  Still think they're douch-canoes, and I'm not looking forward to the idea of possibly working with them again in ME3.  But saving the galaxy should probably take precedence over personal pride, huh?

You're doing it again.

If when next I see you, you've cropped your hair and dyed it black, I'm calling my lawyer.

EDIT: Also, you spelled it wrong.

*hides*

Modifié par widowspeak, 17 janvier 2011 - 03:55 .

[MitisVenatrix]

widowspeak wrote...

MitisVenatrix wrote...


As to the council?  Totally agree.  Still think they're douch-canoes, and I'm not looking forward to the idea of possibly working with them again in ME3.  But saving the galaxy should probably take precedence over personal pride, huh?

You're doing it again.

If next I see you, you've cropped your hair and dyed it black, I'm calling my lawyer.

But...you're my drunken/Jedi Master.  I'm supposed to emulate you.

Can you teach me to destroy a board from two inches away?  Please? 

[widowspeak]

MitisVenatrix wrote...

widowspeak wrote...

MitisVenatrix wrote...


As to the council?  Totally agree.  Still think they're douch-canoes, and I'm not looking forward to the idea of possibly working with them again in ME3.  But saving the galaxy should probably take precedence over personal pride, huh?

You're doing it again.

If next I see you, you've cropped your hair and dyed it black, I'm calling my lawyer.

But...you're my drunken/Jedi Master.  I'm supposed to emulate you.

Can you teach me to destroy a board from two inches away?  Please? 

Not before coffee, I can't.

EDIT: Irish coffee.  Naturally.

[MitisVenatrix]

widowspeak wrote...

Not before coffee, I can't.

EDIT: Irish coffee.  Naturally.

Where's mine?????

[IndigoWolfe]

Y'know, I was thinking about the Garrus romance --or more specifically; the interpretations fans seem to make-- and it got me wondering; was there anything during the Garrus romance that specifically indicates it's something more long-term than a fling between friends to relieve stress? The terminology used, such repeated --one might say pointed-- use of "friends" and other terms, seems to suggest that it wasn't a soul mate experience, per se. Or am I forgetting something?

[Sialater]

Speaking of Persephone Rising, Chapter 17 is up!

Modifié par Sialater, 17 janvier 2011 - 05:33 .

[RestARose13]

IndigoWolfe wrote...

Y'know, I was thinking about the Garrus romance --or more specifically; the interpretations fans seem to make-- and it got me wondering; was there anything during the Garrus romance that specifically indicates it's something more long-term than a fling between friends to relieve stress? The terminology used, such repeated --one might say pointed-- use of "friends" and other terms, seems to suggest that it wasn't a soul mate experience, per se. Or am I forgetting something?

I think what most people go off of is when Garrus says he "wants something to go right.  Just once."  He could have easily only taken the nessecary precautions to not die during sex and let that be the end of it.  Instead, he wants it all to be "just right" putting serious effort and thought into it.  It kinda suggests that there might be something more than just a one night stand between friends.

That's my opinion anyways.

[Sialater]

IndigoWolfe wrote...

Y'know, I was thinking about the Garrus romance --or more specifically; the interpretations fans seem to make-- and it got me wondering; was there anything during the Garrus romance that specifically indicates it's something more long-term than a fling between friends to relieve stress? The terminology used, such repeated --one might say pointed-- use of "friends" and other terms, seems to suggest that it wasn't a soul mate experience, per se. Or am I forgetting something?

Try dumping him. 

[RestARose13]

Sialater wrote...

IndigoWolfe wrote...

Y'know, I was thinking about the Garrus romance --or more specifically; the interpretations fans seem to make-- and it got me wondering; was there anything during the Garrus romance that specifically indicates it's something more long-term than a fling between friends to relieve stress? The terminology used, such repeated --one might say pointed-- use of "friends" and other terms, seems to suggest that it wasn't a soul mate experience, per se. Or am I forgetting something?

Try dumping him. 

Which is the saddest thing ever! I've only seen the YouTube vid of it and I nearly cried.  Not only was he shut down after everything but he also still says "I'll be here if you need me."

[MitisVenatrix]

IndigoWolfe wrote...

Y'know, I was thinking about the Garrus romance --or more specifically; the interpretations fans seem to make-- and it got me wondering; was there anything during the Garrus romance that specifically indicates it's something more long-term than a fling between friends to relieve stress? The terminology used, such repeated --one might say pointed-- use of "friends" and other terms, seems to suggest that it wasn't a soul mate experience, per se. Or am I forgetting something?

specifically, you are correct.  The term 'blowing off steam' was the specific terminology used.  Also, the term 'fetish' was used in regards to turian attraction to humans, indicating a certain amount of social stigma.

However, you have to look between the lines to see the rest.

The admiration Garrus has for Shepard in ME1 is replaced by a 'friendship' in ME2, with an implied joking familiarity.  His actions, as indicated in LotSB tend to indicate that he is a much harder individual, so that change could be blamed on that.  However, if you look at the phychology of a hero, there is usually a 'quest' to be accomplished to prove yourself before reaching you goal.  Hence, Omega.

But I'm digressing. 

When you take the resident ship wisecracker, combine his total badassery on the battlefield, and his actions while you were dead, you get an overall picture of a smooth talker.  Someone who never appears nervous, only doubts his actions when Shepard brings it up... and yet becomes a bumbling teenager when faced with backing up his agreement to a tiebreaker.

It may not be long term, but for a soldier, nothing is.  When you face life-threatening danger every day, you don't look too far ahead, because you'll drive yourself crazy with the 'what ifs'. 

In short, the way he acts once the idea of friends with benefits is breached strikes me as more than tonight, but perhaps less than forever. 

Not that there's anything wrong with somewhere in between.

[widowspeak]

MitisVenatrix wrote...

In short, the way he acts once the idea of friends with benefits is breached strikes me as more than tonight, but perhaps less than forever. 

Not that there's anything wrong with somewhere in between.

*applause*

That, right there, is the absolute best phrase that could be applied, here.  Well said, chica.

Modifié par widowspeak, 17 janvier 2011 - 04:44 .

[Pacifien]

I always go the Friends with Benefits interpretation with my Shepard's romance with Garrus, but I'm not going to deny that such relationships couldn't turn into something much deeper. Certainly, there are signs there that Garrus might yearn for something more. Or they are signs that he is simply cautious and uncertain. Yes, I say this even having seen the "dumping" scene. People get out of the relationships what they themselves put into it. Friends can love and care for each other without wanting to actually spend the rest of their days together.

[ciaweth]

My interpretation is that, for now at least, it's up to the player to decide what it means for their Shepard. In ME3 we'll probably get something more solid.

[Leonia]

I guess we'll find out how longterm it is when ME3 releases

Edit: :ph34r:ed!

Modifié par leonia42, 17 janvier 2011 - 05:20 .

[Fiery Phoenix]

I agree with Ciaweth. I haven't romanced Garrus personally. Might do it at some point, though.

[MitisVenatrix]

Pacifien wrote...

I always go the Friends with Benefits interpretation with my Shepard's romance with Garrus, but I'm not going to deny that such relationships couldn't turn into something much deeper. Certainly, there are signs there that Garrus might yearn for something more. Or they are signs that he is simply cautious and uncertain. Yes, I say this even having seen the "dumping" scene. People get out of the relationships what they themselves put into it. Friends can love and care for each other without wanting to actually spend the rest of their days together.

This^

This, I agree with. 

Then again, I'm probably biased, as I'm now married to my somewhat 'friends with benefits.'

[widowspeak]

MitisVenatrix wrote...

Pacifien wrote...

I always go the Friends with Benefits interpretation with my Shepard's romance with Garrus, but I'm not going to deny that such relationships couldn't turn into something much deeper. Certainly, there are signs there that Garrus might yearn for something more. Or they are signs that he is simply cautious and uncertain. Yes, I say this even having seen the "dumping" scene. People get out of the relationships what they themselves put into it. Friends can love and care for each other without wanting to actually spend the rest of their days together.

This^

This, I agree with. 

Then again, I'm probably biased, as I'm now married to my somewhat 'friends with benefits.'

Same.  Me and my "friend" were roommates to start with. 

Then it all went downhill from there.