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[Sable Rhapsody]

For Garrus's romance...I think relationships built on friendship are some of the strongest. So I'm ok with it starting out as "friends with benefits" and becoming more. Not necessarily that you have to be friends with someone for X years before you date them or anything...more like you ARE both friends and lovers. My current boyfriend and I started dating fairly quickly after we met each other, but even if we hadn't, we still would've been great friends. Does that make sense?

[GuardianAngel470]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

For Garrus's romance...I think relationships built on friendship are some of the strongest. So I'm ok with it starting out as "friends with benefits" and becoming more. Not necessarily that you have to be friends with someone for X years before you date them or anything...more like you ARE both friends and lovers. My current boyfriend and I started dating fairly quickly after we met each other, but even if we hadn't, we still would've been great friends. Does that make sense?

Not remotely and I agree completely...

[Kim Shepard]

And speaking of fanfiction, it's the author of the only fanfic I've read in months!

...More Saren?

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

For Garrus's romance...I think relationships built on friendship are some of the strongest. So I'm ok with it starting out as "friends with benefits" and becoming more. Not necessarily that you have to be friends with someone for X years before you date them or anything...more like you ARE both friends and lovers. My current boyfriend and I started dating fairly quickly after we met each other, but even if we hadn't, we still would've been great friends. Does that make sense?

Yeah, that makes sense. My FemShep who romanced Garrus is basically the same way - doesn't need to be friends first, but the person she likes is always someone she gets along with well enough for them to be friends too.

[REMspace]

I don't read fan fictions for a few months. It would not be a bad idea to read something about Saren...



I think that makes sense. FemShep & Garrus were friends first, but doesn't need to be friends first. The person she likes, is always someone who can be trusted. She can be trusted in him, always.

[REMspace]

Personally, I think sometimes is important to be friends first.

It 'important as a matter of trust. I can only trust in my best friend, and I think the same is true for FemShepard. Mutual trust is the foundation of any loving relationship.

[Kim Shepard]

Sable's Saren/FemShep fanfic is really great.

Hey, I just found something awesome! Everyone knows I'm waiting for Evolution, right? Look at the concept art! My first thought was Saren, but obviously it's not. Saren doesn't even look that much like a robot in ME1. People are calling it a turian husk. So, if it's not Saren, but still resembles him... could it be his brother? Poor guy, if that really is his brother, seeing him as a husk like that... D: But I should probably stop guessing, because there's no way to know for sure. But I won't, because Evolution can't be released fast enough. Maybe that's what the giant lightning thing on cover #4 does, create husks.

[Sable Rhapsody]

Kim Shepard wrote...

And speaking of fanfiction, it's the author of the only fanfic I've read in months!

...More Saren?

Oh, that's right!  I need to PM you the updates.  Totally forgot with school starting--sorry 

For everyone else who wants to read Saren, the fic's on MassKink under the title "Dark Space."  And the fill is perfectly work-safe despite the site being...very NSFW 

[Kim Shepard]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

Kim Shepard wrote...

And speaking of fanfiction, it's the author of the only fanfic I've read in months!

...More Saren?

Oh, that's right!  I need to PM you the updates.  Totally forgot with school starting--sorry 

That's okay. Yay for more Saren!

[Raven of the Night]

Hello, Garrus' fans!
It's one of my first posts here - really late to the party... 

Just wanted to say that the characters like Garrus it's what made me just love this series (among other things).


Here is a dramatic Garrus x FemShep shot for you:



Edit: damn Photobucket, uploaded original 1680x1050 version.

Modifié par Raven of the Night, 18 janvier 2011 - 12:01 .

[Kim Shepard]

That's a cool screenshot. What scene is it from?

[Raven of the Night]

Kim Shepard wrote...

That's a cool screenshot. What scene is it from?

It's from the Reaper IFF mission.

[Aeowyn]

I generally dislike it when people clutter up posts with links to their fanfictions. And since everyone does it, there's no point in replying "oh ill check it out" or whatever to every single reply. I go to ff.net a lot anyway and if I like something I'll read it. Generally don't review though because I suck at it.

[Twilight_Princess]

(WARNING long post ahead )

For those who didn't like how the Garrus romance started, how would you have changed it? I for one would have liked the option to approach him in a few ways instead of just the one (like ME1). I love Garrus so naturally I loved his romance  but I don't think there should have been only one branch of romance dialogue. I also think the romance shouldn't have been treated like a ON/OFF switch (wanna be my romance? YES/NO).Every Shepard is different yet this was the only area (romances) where shep got pigeon holed into one personality. Since this is the only way you can romance him, I felt I had to make justifications for some of the dialogue or find ways for it to fit my canon's Shepard's personality. Did other people feel they had to do this too?
 
 For instance, it helps that my shep doesn't IMMEDIATELY hit on him, since that would have been TOO forward for her. I have the Reach and Flexibility dialogue and then I tell Garrus "thanks for the talk" and leave. This is because I think Shepard's line fits better when she comes back to chat with him later rather then just saying it right after his story. If you leave and come back, Garrus tells you he still hasn't figured how to relax, it sounds more like he's asking you for advice this time rather than just telling a story. It makes Shepard's reply seem more welcome and more in context. Also, it imply's more time has passed since that talk. For my Shepard, this meant she was able to think more about how she would tell Garrus she liked him (if she should tell him) during that time and whether or not they could be more then friends. At this point she has sensed some attraction underneath their banter and has yet to act on it, fearing that their friendship might not be the same if she is wrong about the mutual attraction.
 
When Garrus says he hasn't figured out how to work off his stress she takes a risk, she thinks back to their last conversation and decides to use it to A poke fun at Garrus like usual and B let him know she finds him attractive. If Garrus isn't interested she can always brush it off as a joke, however she is pleased to discover that she was right about the mutual attraction. After the flirting, she walks off, full of butterflies and adrenaline but then when she starts to think about what garrus actually said. It dawns on her that they weren't just kidding around this time, Garrus was completely serious about sleeping together.
 
 She didn't expect her playful flirting to be taken so literally, she only wanted to let him know that " Yes I'm totally flirting with you" and sure to leave him a bit speachless for once (that lasted all of 2 seconds ) . Its not that she doesn't WANT to spend a night with him , she just wanted it to have meaning if it eventually happened. And because of how she hit on him, she worries that Garrus just thinks she was just looking for someone (anyone) to blow off steam with . She goes through a moment where she worries about how fast this has gone (faster than she expected) but then she realizes something. She is on a suicide mission, there won't be time for dating, dinner , any of it. If she wants to be with Garrus (and she does), this is probably the ONLY chance she will get. Time is something she doesn't have anymore, instead of worrying about the order of how things should go she decides that she needs to live in the moment, she wants garrus, garrus wants her, so why waste more time worrying and over-analyzing it?
 
 
 However she still does try to correct herself by saying more meaningful things in their next chat , this was easy for me since femshep has some very sweet lines;"I want someone I can trust" "I don't want to make you uncomfortable" " I want that too Garrus"  it also helps that I can tell Mordin and Kelly that she cares about him too.
 
 The way Garrus responds in these conversations also reassures her that he wants it to have meaning too, even if he doesn't outright say it. They both seem to stop hiding behind the banter enough to let the other know that they want each other , they trust each other and they want the moment to be special.
 
The last choice of lines I'll be honest, I had trouble keeping true to her personality. I would have liked a "Garrus its ok, its me remember? " as an option instead of having the choice between telling him to stop talking or that he's talking too much.... I decided the paragon interrupt was the lesser of two evils since she doesn't just stand there letting him panic. Although it still sounds a bit insensitive considering all his effort. It would have also helped if that wasn't the LAST thing she said but ah well. I just had to make do with interpreting it as Shepard just trying to remind him that its her (the person he can relax and have a laugh with) and just be happy with face stroke and cute headbump.
 
LotSB also helped me roleplay a non-FWB Shepard since it's obvious the lines show she cares a great deal about him. However I would have preferred to have SAID something like that to him at the end of his ME2 romance instead of "now shut up and stop worrying". It was nice to hear my femshep say she that he deserved better. But I would have also preferred "I hope he feels the same peace I do when I'm with him" or "I found peace in the arms of a turian...and its something I plan to fight for"   or something like that since a lot of our Sheps DID expect to find peace with Garrus or that our Shepards were able to see turians as possible love interests. Anyway, I just hope the next game allows us to really get to know Garrus better and give our Shepards different options on how we talk to him or about him. I am happy with the romance so far but I would like to see a return of the branch system next time.

Modifié par Hyrule_Gal, 18 janvier 2011 - 01:12 .

[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

I love the armour you have given Garrus, it's kinda silver. Awesome! Welcome ravenofthenight! I need to read Sable's Saren fanfic, I haven't found many where he isn't the antagonist.

I agree that friendship is the best foundation to build upon something greater (however, this is coming from a single girl, so you have permission to ignore what I say )



So I was looking at Garrus, and I think he has a unique fringe to other turians (Saren aside of course) He has this little triangular ridge before his fringe starts, do other turians have that? Random again I know. However, I am guessing you all know my love for turian facial tattoos (and yes, I am always a dalish elf) so I am wondering why Garrus' are so unique if he is from Palaven, I mean all other turians often have very different facial tattooes, they have white all over their face like Nihlus, there are many different colours as well, but none match Garrus' blue ones and the style. It looks really cool though.

Turian spree!



For you Kim







See what I mean?

And yes, I did just want an excuse to post a turian fenzy

[MitisVenatrix]

Tasha vas Nar Rayya wrote...

Aeowyn, thanks for your reply a coupple of pages back, I'm satisfied with the answer that Garrus didn't want to work for the coucil when they started belittling the reapers and everything Shepard did.
As for Garrus' romance, between Shepard and Garrus' lines, I thought it was a FWB thing at first, but that didn't stop me because, hell, it's Garrus! But depending on how you read into it, it becomes much deeper than that. It is a relationship built on friednship and trust, and the fact that you can only romance Garrus if you recruited him in ME1 proves that.
For me, they drew closer to each other once they began to realise their mortality. Also, they have a lot in common, and they simply match. Garrus wants the relationship to go right, and Shepard doesn't want to make him feel uncomfortable. Breaking up with Garrus *cringe* also reveals that he was really into Shepard, especially seeming though Shepard's rejection was pretty harsh when compared to Thane's, for example.
Of course, if we are talking about Misty and Luna's Teandra, then she is a reckless flirt

Emphasis on RECKLESS.  LOL.

[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

@ Misty, red tends to do that

@ Hyrule Gal, thanks for that post, loved reading it because it is similar to how I interpret the situation. Also, I love your idea of having different paths and courses that your romance can take with each character. There are different dialogue options, but you're right, it is pretty much a yes/no kinda thing with Garrus. I hope that in ME3 they have some sort of epilogue where you can decide where you want to go with Garrus (and the other LI's I guess...) Hehe. They did something similar in DA:O, so it can be done.

I never tried not flirting with him the first time and then flirting on the next conversation, I shall try it out though. I like your reasoning for it though, I always thought Shepard was a bit forward given the circumstances.

[kimprobable]

Hyrule_Gal, you totally just made my day! I am a HUGE Garrus fan - have been since I first played ME1. When I first heard Garrus was a possible LI in ME2, I was all, "ZOMG YAY! I LOVE GARRUS!" And yet, starting my third playthrough, I've yet to romance him.



I actually really really disliked the way the Garrus dialogue goes. He just seems to repeat the same sentiment. "I'm not sure about an inter-species thing." Over and over! I don't get it. Faced with Thane's suave Siha nickname, guh. I went that route.



But your breakdown made me fall for this romance and I'm definitely going Garrus this time through.



I LOVE Garrus, and seeing it your way really opened my eyes to how it is still in character for him and for Shepard and how it still can be enjoyable to do. Even if they made it kind of unnecessarily awkward.



Thanks!

[MitisVenatrix]

SweetTeaholic wrote...

When it comes down to it, I think it matters on how you see it.

Personally, if you never got the hint yet with my question about fanfics earlier, I'm a pretty big Fem!ShepxGarrus fan. One of the reasons is that they been though a lot together and, won't lie, I have a love for interspecies relationships. 

My only problem I found in ME2 is that I wish the dialogue was better written. I found it to be a little too much 'friends with benefits' , but at the same time, it isn't like they don't care about eachother. Garrus seems to worry about her, and vise versa. I just wish the expanded a bit more, there's just tons you can do.

I just hope ME3, they grow on it more and not just make it a thing in the past. Otherwise, they'll have an angry mob of fangirls.

Honestly?  Things like ^ are the reason that "Partners, Comrades, Friends" came into being.  It just seemed like from ME1 Garrus was too in awe to really say what he thought around Shep, and ME2 Garrus is a freaking smart-ass with a sense of humor.  I love the change, but it seemed VERY abrupt to me.  You don't pull out lines like the 'scars' line around people you don't know will be okay with the joke.  This paints a friendship that they never stressed before, and a history, and I was curious how that could have developed.

There is definitely a large amount of mutual respect and caring shown between the two, even if you play a male-shep.  Most male players /I/ know consider Garrus their buddy-cop companion.   and even they weren't happy with the dialogue options for their shepard.

I really hope that they don't screw us over in ME3 somehow, and we get a REAL shot at a relationship, even with the fate of the galaxy at stake.  It'd be nice to have a little 'calm before the storm.'


My shep is a sniper girl, Garrus' human twin.

[MitisVenatrix]

Raven of the Night wrote...

Hello, Garrus' fans!
It's one of my first posts here - really late to the party... 

Just wanted to say that the characters like Garrus it's what made me just love this series (among other things).


Here is a dramatic Garrus x FemShep shot for you:



Edit: damn Photobucket, uploaded original 1680x1050 version.

This is so faved

[Aeowyn]

In my mind, my Shep and Garrus have always gotten along. Both being snipers, there was just a mutual respect that grew between them during ME1. I don't like how most of the characters developed from 1 to 2 but I do like Garrus' development and that the Shepard/Garrus relationship went from that of a teacher/student or "guide" one to a relationship where they're both equals.

I honestly hope they don't overdo the romance in ME3. Garrus is Garrus and I don't want the relationship to turn into some sappy Alistair romance.

[Squeeze the Fish]

Warning. I think this is the longest post I've ever written.

Aeowyn wrote...

I generally dislike it when people clutter up posts with links to their fanfictions. And since everyone does it, there's no point in replying "oh ill check it out" or whatever to every single reply. I go to ff.net a lot anyway and if I like something I'll read it. Generally don't review though because I suck at it.

Me too. I don't mind discussing fanfic, or answering questions about it, but blatant self-advertisement turns me off.
I do review when I really like something though, even if it’s just a few words of encouragement because I know how much authors appreciate it. (I tend to pay special attention to the really good ones with less reviews than they deserve.)

Also, I’m kinda’ picky about what I like anyway and it doesn’t take much to have me hitting the “back” button, or not clicking on the story at all. It probably has something to do with my age, or maybe I’m just an elitist, I don’t know.

*cough*

So back ON topic, I think the thing that bothered me about Shepard in general, was that it already felt like she was molded into a certain personality, no matter what dialog choices you made. My guy-friend mentioned the same thing about his mShep the other day too. Running a paragon play through and a renegade one don’t necessarily feel that different to me, though I admit, it might just be perception thing.

As it applies to Garrus, I kinda’ felt “stuck” in Shepard’s pre-molded personality and none of the dialog choices really even came close to what I wanted her to say. (Not that I wanted some kind of gushing confession with violins in the background and Fabio flexing somewhere.) I found myself having to “read between the lines” A LOT with that romance to try to get out of it what I wanted. Because there was so much “reading”, I started to doubt that what I wanted to be there, was even there. (If that makes sense.)

Thankfully, the bedroom scene, though not perfect, seemed to imply more-than-just-friendly feelings might be involved, which had me sighing with relief.

Modifié par Squeeze the Fish, 18 janvier 2011 - 01:51 .

[MitisVenatrix]

Tasha vas Nar Rayya wrote...

I love the armour you have given Garrus, it's kinda silver. Awesome! Welcome ravenofthenight! I need to read Sable's Saren fanfic, I haven't found many where he isn't the antagonist.
I agree that friendship is the best foundation to build upon something greater (however, this is coming from a single girl, so you have permission to ignore what I say ) So I was looking at Garrus, and I think he has a unique fringe to other turians (Saren aside of course) He has this little triangular ridge before his fringe starts, do other turians have that? Random again I know. However, I am guessing you all know my love for turian facial tattoos (and yes, I am always a dalish elf) so I am wondering why Garrus' are so unique if he is from Palaven, I mean all other turians often have very different facial tattooes, they have white all over their face like Nihlus, there are many different colours as well, but none match Garrus' blue ones and the style.

Had to go back to the wikia for this one, as it's been a while since I've played ME1. 

In the mission: UNC: Turian Insignias it describes the search for 17 different insignias, which we are given the impression are similar to the clan markings for the turians that bore said insignias.  They were representative of the colony's each turian was from during the Unification war (500 BCE, the same year the Citadel council was established, and interstellar currency).  The increasingly isolated and xenophobic colonies on the
frontiers of turian space went to war with each other. After years of
fighting, the Turian Hierarchy swepts in and pacified the remaining
factions. Animosity between turian colonies continues for decades.


We are given the impression that it was that remaining animosity that caused some turians to chose to go 'barefaced,' in spite of the social stigma associated with choosing to do so (for those who didn't know, for a turian to call another 'barefaced' is to call them untrustworthy.  It is a great insult, considering the turian taboo on lying).

But I digress. 

Point being, there are countless colonies, outposts, and communities that the markings stem from, and could be multiple such colonies on Palaven.  Then when you consider outposts like Invictus and other such settlements, there could be thousands of individual tatoos with different color variations.

Or maybe Garrus is secretly royalty... 

(JK) 

[MitisVenatrix]

Aeowyn wrote...

In my mind, my Shep and Garrus have always gotten along. Both being snipers, there was just a mutual respect that grew between them during ME1. I don't like how most of the characters developed from 1 to 2 but I do like Garrus' development and that the Shepard/Garrus relationship went from that of a teacher/student or "guide" one to a relationship where they're both equals.
I honestly hope they don't overdo the romance in ME3. Garrus is Garrus and I don't want the relationship to turn into some sappy Alistair romance.

Amen...  just... amen...

[Sialater]

Hyrule_Gal wrote...



(WARNING long post ahead )

For those who didn't like how the Garrus romance started, how would you have changed it? I for one would have liked the option to approach him in a few ways instead of just the one (like ME1). I love Garrus so naturally I loved his romance  but I don't think there should have been only one branch of romance dialogue. I also think the romance shouldn't have been treated like a ON/OFF switch (wanna be my romance? YES/NO).Every Shepard is different yet this was the only area (romances) where shep got pigeon holed into one personality. Since this is the only way you can romance him, I felt I had to make justifications for some of the dialogue or find ways for it to fit my canon's Shepard's personality. Did other people feel they had to do this too?
 
 For instance, it helps that my shep doesn't IMMEDIATELY hit on him, since that would have been TOO forward for her. I have the Reach and Flexibility dialogue and then I tell Garrus "thanks for the talk" and leave. This is because I think Shepard's line fits better when she comes back to chat with him later rather then just saying it right after his story. If you leave and come back, Garrus tells you he still hasn't figured how to relax, it sounds more like he's asking you for advice this time rather than just telling a story. It makes Shepard's reply seem more welcome and more in context. Also, it imply's more time has passed since that talk. For my Shepard, this meant she was able to think more about how she would tell Garrus she liked him (if she should tell him) during that time and whether or not they could be more then friends. At this point she has sensed some attraction underneath their banter and has yet to act on it, fearing that their friendship might not be the same if she is wrong about the mutual attraction.
 
When Garrus says he hasn't figured out how to work off his stress she takes a risk, she thinks back to their last conversation and decides to use it to A poke fun at Garrus like usual and B let him know she finds him attractive. If Garrus isn't interested she can always brush it off as a joke, however she is pleased to discover that she was right about the mutual attraction. After the flirting, she walks off, full of butterflies and adrenaline but then when she starts to think about what garrus actually said. It dawns on her that they weren't just kidding around this time, Garrus was completely serious about sleeping together.
 
 *snip rest of the awesomeness*

Yes, I've been having trouble figuring out how Meghan's going to go about this F & R talk.  However, I didn't know you could come back after that convo and try a different approach.  Does it still give that funny grin?

As far as fic advertising, I do it because I know some members here like to know when I have updates.  If it bothers you, don't read it. 

Modifié par Sialater, 18 janvier 2011 - 02:16 .

[Twilight_Princess]

this is what garrus says if you say goodbye after reach and flexibility  and then talk to him after