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[Kim Shepard]

It looks like we all agree. The short fringe wins our vote for ME3!

[GuardianAngel470]

Aeowyn wrote...

See I do think that Sidonis deserves to die, but I think he should just end his own life. Ivy doesn't want to see Garrus going down a path that she went down herself during her time in the Reds, and seeing the person she cares about the most turning into someone she doesn't recognize scared her. He's a grownup sure, but in the end she felt like she needed to save Garrus, and not Sidonis.

Saleon might've had information. He was obviously selling those organs to someone and she doubted it was all just for the black market.

Heh, Ivy is a renegon. She does believe that you need to sacrifice a life in order to save many more (handed David to Cerberus) but she doesn't believe that vengeance = justice.

Wait, at what point in the game did you hand David to Cerberus? Cuz if it was after you got Legion then you are a monster but if it was before you got Legion then I can understand.

Though I personally believe that the objective was a meaningless one (gain control of a species that to the best of our knowledge is no longer a threat).

Also, I feel like the the fringeless Turian women look really off. Between the lack of mandibles and the lack of fringe they don't look alien so much as dead or wearing the face of a skull ala death eaters from harry potter.

But I'm not overly worried. From what I've seen of the Dark Horse comics compared to the games I don't think that these turians are what women will look like in the actual game.

[Kim Shepard]

I don't have the Overlord DLC, but I've watched it on youtube videos. I have quite a few Shepards who would let the project continue, even after recruiting Legion. So I guess my Shepards are a fun bunch of monsters. (Seriously though, there are any number of reasons for the decisions in-game. Between all my Shepards, I have a few different reasons that range from "more geth info" to "stay on TIM's good side.")

And now that you've compared female turians to Death Eaters, I think it would be awesome if  they wore the robes those turian husks had. xD At least it would look cool and cover up the bald, green, human-shaped head that reminds me of a batarian. It wouldn't have been so bad if not for the green tint. I've never seen a turian with green skin in either game...

[Sable Rhapsody]

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

Aeowyn wrote...

See I do think that Sidonis deserves to die, but I think he should just end his own life. Ivy doesn't want to see Garrus going down a path that she went down herself during her time in the Reds, and seeing the person she cares about the most turning into someone she doesn't recognize scared her. He's a grownup sure, but in the end she felt like she needed to save Garrus, and not Sidonis.

Saleon might've had information. He was obviously selling those organs to someone and she doubted it was all just for the black market.

Heh, Ivy is a renegon. She does believe that you need to sacrifice a life in order to save many more (handed David to Cerberus) but she doesn't believe that vengeance = justice.

Wait, at what point in the game did you hand David to Cerberus? Cuz if it was after you got Legion then you are a monster but if it was before you got Legion then I can understand.

Though I personally believe that the objective was a meaningless one (gain control of a species that to the best of our knowledge is no longer a threat).

Hey now.  Play nice   (Though I suppose I'm being a hypocrite for saying that after yelling at the nerd ragers on the DA2 side.)

Overlord made me angry.  Spittingly angry.  So angry I wanted to twist Archer's head off with my bare hands.  I pistol-whipped him and handed David to the Alliance.

But if you didn't use the virus on the heretics, you only destroyed a fraction of them.  At very least, some of the heretics are still out there causing trouble.  Overlord could be useful on them.  There's also the future to think about, past the Reaper threat.  It's not like the galaxy will stop after the Reapers are repelled, and there will continue to be tensions between geth and organics after that's all over.  It's not that there isn't justification for leaving David Archer in Cerberus's custody--just that for me and for my Shep, the justification wasn't strong enough to warrant David's suffering.

[mellifera]

*kicks can*



LET ME HAVE MY SOLITARY NERD RAGE MOMENT.

[Kim Shepard]

*tries to find what you guys are talking about on the DA2 forum*

I admit, MainShep's justification for letting the Overlord project continue would be another case of choosing sides with the person she likes best. She likes working for TIM, he's already done quite a few favors for her (most importantly, the resurrection) and she wants another favor (Saren resurrection). Their relationship seems to be based on these favors, and she would follow her earlier pattern - giving him the data and the Collector base - to keep that relationship. If it was someone she didn't like, she'd shut the project down and pistol-whip everyone involved... but it's TIM, and he can get away with it.

[mellifera]

It is a silly place, let's not go there.

[GuardianAngel470]

yukidama wrote...

*kicks can*

LET ME HAVE MY SOLITARY NERD RAGE MOMENT.

NO! GO BACK TO PETTING KITTENS!

Kittens that look disturbingly like Garrus...

[GuardianAngel470]

Kim Shepard wrote...

*tries to find what you guys are talking about on the DA2 forum*

I admit, MainShep's justification for letting the Overlord project continue would be another case of choosing sides with the person she likes best. She likes working for TIM, he's already done quite a few favors for her (most importantly, the resurrection) and she wants another favor (Saren resurrection). Their relationship seems to be based on these favors, and she would follow her earlier pattern - giving him the data and the Collector base - to keep that relationship. If it was someone she didn't like, she'd shut the project down and pistol-whip everyone involved... but it's TIM, and he can get away with it.

How do you resurrect a being that was reduced to dust? That doesn't seem physically possible...

Also, I meant no offense to anybody. I just think it takes a special kind of person to look at David, look at what a disaster the entire project was, and simply give him back to Cerberus.

That to me is just cruel beyond measure.

[Sable Rhapsody]

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

Also, I meant no offense to anybody. I just think it takes a special kind of person to look at David, look at what a disaster the entire project was, and simply give him back to Cerberus.

That to me is just cruel beyond measure.

It is to me as well, especially since I'm a neuro major, and the labs at my school do work with autistic kids.  But to be entirely fair, Archer does seem pretty appalled at what he's done.  You inform TIM, who decides to keep closer tabs on the project.  I personally don't think it's much consolation, but to each their own.

But one of my favorite things about Overlord is Hale's delivery if you play Paragon.  You can literally hear her voice shaking with rage.  It's perfect.  Archer's an idiot--if the galaxy's top Spectre was talking to ME like that, I'd be wetting myself and trying to make nice, not pulling a gun on her.

[Fiery Phoenix]

yukidama wrote...

It is a silly place, let's not go there.

The girl in your avatar looks a lot like Shenhua from Shenmue II. <3

[GuardianAngel470]

yukidama wrote...

It is a silly place, let's not go there.

Oh, running away are ya'?! 

[Kim Shepard]

@GuardianAngel470: I tend to think of batarian slavers as "cruel beyond measure," and more than a few of my Shepards as "ruthlessly practical."

As for Saren, MainShep wants TIM to figure out a way to bring him back. Not all of him was reduced to ash - his faceplate and fringe were still there on RoboSaren, and I assume turians would have DNA in their plates too. He'd have to be rebuilt, but Shepard was too.

[Sable Rhapsody]

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

yukidama wrote...

It is a silly place, let's not go there.

Oh, running away are ya'?! 

This poor cat.

[aznsoisauce]

Hey Garrus thread...been a while. I just read Evolution and...uh...Yeah. I'm disappoint.

Breast-like shapes...really? Really?

[Aeowyn]

I'm not a monster for letting Cerberus keep David tyvm, and I resent being called that or being a "special kind of person". There is nothing saying that the Reapers can't just plant a virus on the geth (and even though geth can't receive any viruses according to Legion, this is the Reapers, there's no saying what they can do), and the risk is honestly not worth it.
I released him plenty of times before I thought about it and felt that this was for the best. I don't call you names for any decisions you might have made so don't be all high and mighty and do that to me. It's offensive.

Modifié par Aeowyn, 21 janvier 2011 - 09:23 .

[Sable Rhapsody]

aznsoisauce wrote...

Hey Garrus thread...been a while. I just read Evolution and...uh...Yeah. I'm disappoint.

Breast-like shapes...really? Really?

HAI!  Long time no see.

And...wait.  I didn't think the female turians had anything resembling breasts.  Is there a panel other than the one floating around the thread that makes them look like they have breasts?  *confuzzled*

[Leonia]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

aznsoisauce wrote...

Hey Garrus thread...been a while. I just read Evolution and...uh...Yeah. I'm disappoint.

Breast-like shapes...really? Really?

HAI!  Long time no see.

And...wait.  I didn't think the female turians had anything resembling breasts.  Is there a panel other than the one floating around the thread that makes them look like they have breasts?  *confuzzled*

Inquiring minds want to know. My copy of Evolution won't be here for a few more days

And this thread.. so full of sanity in comparison to others.  Let's not call each other names, we all love turians around here!

[aznsoisauce]

It's not exactly predominant but you can kind of see themz lady lumps in the scan that seems to be floating around the forums. However I will flip through real quick and see if I can find something a little more obvious.

On the other hand, it could just be me nitpicking. As if I expected a character designer to take the easy route...so that slight curvature on her chest just set me off.

[Kim Shepard]

@Sable and yukidama: Ha, I found it! > ...And now I won't say anything else about it because DA2 stuff isn't turian-related.

@aznsoisauce: I liked everything about Evolution except the female turian design. But then we came up with a theory a couple pages back and I don't mind it now. The female turians don't really have anything that resemble breasts though. I mean, no more than the male turians. All of their chests are puffed out like that (like a bird?).

@Aeowyn: Yeah, my poor Shepards get the "monster" and "crazy" accusations every now and then too, and so do my favorite characters. It's unfortunate.


To anyone who hasn't seen the female turian, there are some scanned images from the comic a few pages ago.

[Liec]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

aznsoisauce wrote...

Hey Garrus thread...been a while. I just read Evolution and...uh...Yeah. I'm disappoint.

Breast-like shapes...really? Really?

HAI!  Long time no see.

And...wait.  I didn't think the female turians had anything resembling breasts.  Is there a panel other than the one floating around the thread that makes them look like they have breasts?  *confuzzled*

I got that impression as well.

[GuardianAngel470]

Aeowyn wrote...

I'm not a monster for letting Cerberus keep David tyvm, and I resent being called that or being a "special kind of person". There is nothing saying that the Reapers can't just plant a virus on the geth (and even though geth can't receive any viruses according to Legion, this is the Reapers, there's no saying what they can do), and the risk is honestly not worth it.
I released him plenty of times before I thought about it and felt that this was for the best. I don't call you names for any decisions you might have made so don't be all high and mighty and do that to me. It's offensive.

As I said, I meant no offense and regret the use of both of those phrases so I apologize.

I just don't see what benefit there is to letting TIM have David. If you played Overlord pre-legion then to the best of your knowledge the Geth aren't a threat so developing a means to control them is pointless. Why devote resources and make sacrifices for an objective that has no relevance to the current situation.

If you did it post Legion then you *know* that the Geth aren't a threat and can even ensure that they aren't by rewriting them all.

The purpose of Overlord was to develop a way to control the Geth so I don't see how the Reapers are even important. They aren't the focus of the research, the Geth are and the Reapers are so different from the Geth that learning how to control them will have no impact on the Reaper War.

And so I can only conclude that the only reason to hand David to Cerberus is to be a jerk. Obviously that is not the reason you did it and so I am confused.

[aznsoisauce]

At the risk of off-topic discussion...Post-Legion views of Geth are still a matter of opinion.

/goes back to re-reading Evolution

[GuardianAngel470]

Also, doing it to protect against the Geth Post-Reaper War is pointless as well. Any data achieved in the research will be obsolete by the time the war is over.



Look at how humanity's technology gets a quantum leap forward during Wars. In the American Civil war we went from muskets to cartridges. In WWI we went from single shot rifles to machine guns and tanks.



In WWII we went from biplanes to Mustangs, Zeros, and ME262s (the worlds first jet airplane).



In the Cold War we went from subsonic jets to the SR-71, a mach 3+ surveillance plane.



Stealth was introduced during the first Gulf War.



Wars create development by necessity. Every war has an arms race and in this one the Geth and other races will advance more quickly and more drastically than any other.



It will likely be akin to Japan's 50 year long industrialization, going from Samurai's to businessmen. It may even be more drastic.

[Kim Shepard]

The Reapers don't need to control the geth. A good amount of them joined Sovereign by their own decision, and Legion says that others could make that same choice. Also, the geth are similar to the Reapers in some ways, such as the geth having a hive-mind and the Reapers being "each a nation," so finding out certain things about the geth thought process could give a better idea of the Reaper thought process. Or they could simply be thinking about the future - the quarian and geth conflict is an important one in both games, even more so in ME2.

And using real-world comparisons never does any good... it just gets the thread off-topic.