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[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

Ouch... Garrus and Aeowyn on the Normandy loveboat. Who was the other one who survived?

[Aeowyn]

Well it wasn't anything similar to the "Thane is a jerk" - thread lol. Tali, Jack, Thane and Legion died and it still left me in shock. I kept thinking "Garrus is coming with me, no death for him."

[Kim Shepard]

Good thing it wasn't as bad as "Thane is a jerk." Shepard falling and Garrus not helping her would just be sad. Kind of funny, but still sad when you really think about it. He'd be the sole survivor again.

[sapphyreelf]

For those of you following:

Our three heroines continue their adventures in Chapter 19 of Persephone Rising.

[Tyrium]

sapphyreelf wrote...

For those of you following:

Our three heroines continue their adventures in Chapter 19 of Persephone Rising.

*jumps up and down with excitement* YAY! new chapters of PR always make my week

[Taitiana]

I'm actually about to go to school...but there's something that hit me yesterday that's been bugging me. Guys, please help!



Will it possibly be important if Garrus became a spectre in ME1...



I just finished ME2, planning for it to be my mega playthrough...

[Aeowyn]

Well he's applying for Spectre training either way Tatiana. It's just that when he's a paragon he returns to C-Sec while his application is going through, when he's renegade, he doesn't.

[Zing Freelancer]

To begin with, I kinda love Garrus, dont know why. There is nothing special about him, but most likely because he agrees with my gameplay. I want to get the job done and I dont care if I have to spoil a little merc blood in the process.

But then again, I never tried being totally one sided, always a mix of both paragon and renegade where renegade always dominates.



As for Garrus, I want Mass effect 4.

Where we get to play as Garrus on his Archangel mission.

As Wrex unifying the Krogan and as Tali snatching shepards body from ex.Shadow Broker.

Now that we are done with wish list.



Idk, would love to see him in ME3, but get him a more important role aside from calibration and let it play out depending on how Shepard have affected Garrus I guess?

Meaning: Did you made him a cold blooded murderer or is he able to still see good in people ect.



I also would "guess" that mass effect 3 will be more then just about the humans. That makes Garrus the perfect proxy between Turrians and Shepard.

[leaderofpancakes]

Aeowyn wrote...

Well he's applying for Spectre training either way Tatiana. It's just that when he's a paragon he returns to C-Sec while his application is going through, when he's renegade, he doesn't.

Yes, unless your game is bugged and you never get to have that conversation with him  At least I think it's bugged. I did a search and some people say that if you've been too "neutral" while speaking to him he never mentions reapplying for spectre training. But I've played ME1 twice and paragoned him both times. He still doesn't mention it. He just thanks me for taking him with me. So I'm really hoping that particular convo won't be too important in ME3..

[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

Playing as the other squaddies would be kinda cool, but at the same time, it's Shepard's story, and I would rather the characters tell Shep about their past and have interaction with the characters.

Even if renegaded, I don't think Garrus would ever be a 'cold blooded murderer.' He is Bioware's example of a 'compassionate renegade,' able to be ruthless without becoming evil.

But I agree about Garrus playing a possible important role in getting help from the turians, and possibly settling the tensions between humans and turians.



By the way, it was Liara who took Shepard's body from the ex shadow broker



Persephone Rising, yayy!

[Kim Shepard]

Zing Freelancer wrote...

To begin with, I kinda love Garrus, dont know why. There is nothing special about him, but most likely because he agrees with my gameplay. I want to get the job done and I dont care if I have to spoil a little merc blood in the process.
But then again, I never tried being totally one sided, always a mix of both paragon and renegade where renegade always dominates.

I have a theory that one of the reasons why a lot of people like Garrus is because he'll always agree with Shepard. It's much easier to get along with a character who doesn't argue with Shepard all the time. At least, that's the main reason why all of my Shepards like Garrus despite their different personalities.

Idk, would love to see him in ME3, but get him a more important role aside from calibration and let it play out depending on how Shepard have affected Garrus I guess?
Meaning: Did you made him a cold blooded murderer or is he able to still see good in people ect.

I also would "guess" that mass effect 3 will be more then just about the humans. That makes Garrus the perfect proxy between Turrians and Shepard.

Garrus won't become a "cold-blooded murderer" either way. It's just not in his character. He's a compassionate Renegade, and he wants to protect the innocent. If you're talking about criminals only, that's already part of his character. I don't think those things will ever change.

I'm interested to see how Garrus will influence the turians in ME3 too. I hope we'll get to see Palaven and his family.

[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

Indeedy. As the leader of pancakes' sig proclaims: Palaven for ME3!

Did anyone else notice that in the Citadel on ME2, there is lettering on the wall above that Al-Jihani newsreporter b**** that says: PALAVEN.

I always wondered why the turian's homeworld was randomly written there...

[Sialater]

I believe it's the turian sector, Tasha.



And Kim... I don't know how you always get him to agree with your Sheps. Seems to me he's one of the few that'll disagree.

[Aeowyn]

Sialater wrote...

I believe it's the turian sector, Tasha.

And Kim... I don't know how you always get him to agree with your Sheps. Seems to me he's one of the few that'll disagree.

Kim always renegade him Sia. He agrees with you a lot more then, than if you were to paragon him

[Sialater]

Aeowyn wrote...

Sialater wrote...

I believe it's the turian sector, Tasha.

And Kim... I don't know how you always get him to agree with your Sheps. Seems to me he's one of the few that'll disagree.

Kim always renegade him Sia. He agrees with you a lot more then, than if you were to paragon him

Ah.... glad I Paragon him, then.  I kinda like that he and Meghan argue.

[leaderofpancakes]

Sia,

He always agrees with me too. Except about the base at the end. May I ask what it is you do that makes him disagree with you? I always think it's so interesting to hear about how other people play the game. As an OT example, I recently played through DAO again and sided with the cultists in Haven for the first time. New cutscenes, new dialogue, new everything! I find it hard to make different decisions the second or third time I do a playthrough, just because the first time I do it is always gonna be the "right" way. So it's cool to hear what you miss out on.

update: Huh. I paragon him too but I really don't feel like he disagrees with me much. 

Modifié par leaderofpancakes, 31 janvier 2011 - 09:00 .

[Kim Shepard]

When I said that Garrus always agrees with Shepard, I didn't mean his opinions - I meant that he's always willing to see Shepard's point of view, and even when Shepard disagrees with him, the conversations usually end in a way that shows Garrus is thinking "maybe you're right." Other squadmates can disagree with Shepard a lot in ways that will never lead to them seeing it from Shepard's point of view. Some squadmates can get really confrontational. I'm not saying that's a bad thing, but it can make them hard to like for someone who has different opinions than those characters. Garrus' opinions are mostly Renegade, but there are a lot of Paragon players who like him, and I think part of that is because he's willing to understand Shepard's methods.

I'm glad Garrus and my Shepards never argue. When squadmates argue with my character, it will normally end with the squadmate just being annoying to me, and then I won't want to speak with them at all.

[leaderofpancakes]

Yeah, you're right. That's probably why I never see it as him disagreeing, because in the end, he ends up basically agreeing to do things my way. Maybe because he trusts Shep's judgement more than he does his own.

[Sialater]

He disagrees when you recruit Legion. He's not all that happy when you kick the merc out the window. ("Harsh, but I guess he had it coming," is hardly a ringing endorsement of your action there.) I'm sure there are others, but that's just off the top of my head.



Also, he makes fun of Shepard at least twice (the suicide dialog, and the VI interface). While not a disagreement, it adds a certain level to their relationship that isn't there with anyone else. Especially with a romanced Shepard.

[Kim Shepard]

leaderofpancakes wrote...

Yeah, you're right. That's probably why I never see it as him disagreeing, because in the end, he ends up basically agreeing to do things my way. Maybe because he trusts Shep's judgement more than he does his own.

I think that is the reason. Garrus has a lot of trust for Shepard.

Sialater wrote...

He disagrees when you recruit Legion. He's not all that happy when you kick the merc out the window. ("Harsh, but I guess he had it coming," is hardly a ringing endorsement of your action there.) I'm sure there are others, but that's just off the top of my head.

One squadmate will always disagree when you recruit Legion. When I brought Garrus and Tali, it was Tali who spoke up. When I brought Garrus and Thane, it was Garrus. I think it's one of those ME1 style "someone in your team needs to have this opinion" sort of thing.

As for the merc, I see his "I guess he had it coming" line as Garrus understanding and trusting Shepard's methods - it's not what he would have done, but it's not much of a disagreement when he ends it by saying that what Shepard did was right. Harsh, but the guy deserved it.

Also, he makes fun of Shepard at least twice (the suicide dialog, and the VI interface). While not a disagreement, it adds a certain level to their relationship that isn't there with anyone else. Especially with a romanced Shepard.

I thought of that as joking, not really making fun of Shepard because it isn't mean-spirited. And everyone jokes with Shepard about the suicidal orders. xD I like that dialogue.

[leaderofpancakes]

- Ooh I love it when he comments on the VI interface. I like Snarky Garrus!

Thanks for sharing!  I didn't know about the "kicking-the-guy-through-the-window"-thing. I'm too soft to have done that in a pt. You're right about Legion too of course, forgot about that one. He disagrees but still trusts Shepard to make the right call, (just like Kim wrote)

[Sialater]

I don't see any of it as a negative Kim, so you don't have to defend him. I don't WANT my squaddies to be lock step with my Shepard.

[Kim Shepard]

I like most of the Renegade interrupts. Kicking the merc out the window is fun. > I'm not sure why Garrus wouldn't do the same thing though. It contradicts what I thought he would have done based on his previous actions. He killed tons of mercs on Omega. According to his dossier, he killed some in more painful ways than kicking a guy out a window. I don't think he did it for the purpose of enjoyment, but like Shepard, used the "weapons" that were around him at the time.

I'd like to know if Garrus' opinion about Legion is really the same as what he says if he's the one to speak up there. It reminds me too much of the ME1 system where they needed someone with certain opinions on the squad and gave each of them a Paragon and Renegade response based on who else was with you at the time. We can only make an educated guess about Garrus' true opinions on saving the Council or leaving them to die, and other situations like that.

Sialater wrote...

I don't see any of it as a negative Kim, so you don't have to defend him. I don't WANT my squaddies to be lock step with my Shepard.

I know. I just think we have different views about what we consider a disagreement between Garrus and Shepard, that's all. The way I see it, they can have different opinions, but never really disagree the way some other squadmates do.

[Sialater]

Kim Shepard wrote...

I like most of the Renegade interrupts. Kicking the merc out the window is fun. > I'm not sure why Garrus wouldn't do the same thing though. It contradicts what I thought he would have done based on his previous actions. He killed tons of mercs on Omega. According to his dossier, he killed some in more painful ways than kicking a guy out a window. I don't think he did it for the purpose of enjoyment, but like Shepard, used the "weapons" that were around him at the time.

I'd like to know if Garrus' opinion about Legion is really the same as what he says if he's the one to speak up there. It reminds me too much of the ME1 system where they needed someone with certain opinions on the squad and gave each of them a Paragon and Renegade response based on who else was with you at the time. We can only make an educated guess about Garrus' true opinions on saving the Council or leaving them to die, and other situations like that.

Sialater wrote...

I don't see any of it as a negative Kim, so you don't have to defend him. I don't WANT my squaddies to be lock step with my Shepard.

I know. I just think we have different views about what we consider a disagreement between Garrus and Shepard, that's all. The way I see it, they can have different opinions, but never really disagree the way some other squadmates do.

I don't think EVERY squaddie comments on Legion.  Just Garrus, Tali and Jacob.  (The people who've fought them.)  I could be wrong, though.

I think his minor objection stems from the fact that the merc wasn't actively doing anything at the time. 

I call differing opinions a disagreement, but that's just me.

[Kim Shepard]

I'll have to check on that, play through Legion's recruitment mission with people who would care the least about geth. Maybe Thane and Grunt? xD

I don't see Garrus as the kind of guy who would be against that sort of "attack them before they get the chance to attack you" method with mercs. He's a killer, and wouldn't have let Shepard walk on by without trying to stop her. Maybe Garrus would have approved if Shepard shot him instead? o_o

Garrus tends to agree with Shepard in the end even if their opinions are different though. His own methods involved killing Saleon and Sidonis, but if Shepard saves them (or tries to), he understands why and believes that whatever Shepard helped him choose was the right thing. I mean, Shepard can't lose his loyalty like some other squadmates. They don't get into any heated arguments. He's also the only one who doesn't sound completely against Shepard keeping the Collector base, and doesn't object to working with Cerberus. No matter what his opinions are, he trusts that Shepard's are right. So I guess he can disagree with the idea, but still agree with Shepard.