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[kimprobable]

Sialater wrote...

He disagrees when you recruit Legion. He's not all that happy when you kick the merc out the window. ("Harsh, but I guess he had it coming," is hardly a ringing endorsement of your action there.) I'm sure there are others, but that's just off the top of my head.

Also, he makes fun of Shepard at least twice (the suicide dialog, and the VI interface). While not a disagreement, it adds a certain level to their relationship that isn't there with anyone else. Especially with a romanced Shepard.

Those two particular teases are actually there with Tali as well, at the very least.  Perhaps even with others, but I can't say for sure.  So that isn't really unique to him.

[Kim Shepard]

The only squadmates who joke about the Shepard VI are Garrus and Tali. Everyone jokes about disobeying suicidal orders. xD

In my test playthrough to find out if only Garrus, Tali, and Jacob speak out against bringing Legion on board, this is what happened when I brought Thane and Grunt - Thane said we should bring Legion, Grunt said Legion was dangerous but he could handle it, Shepard said no one ever captured a geth alive (or something to that effect), and then Grunt agreed that we should take Legion. That was surprising. I'll have to test some other combinations to get a real answer though.

[Taitiana]

Wait...get this straight, Garrus has been lying to me about the spectre thing through ME2?



O_O ....



(I mean get this straight: no matter what you do, he becomes a spectre?) And thanks for the answer(s), plus sorry for intruding on the thread.

[Kim Shepard]

No, Garrus isn't a Spectre. He applies for Spectre training, but left the Citadel at some point, possibly before the training even started. I'm not sure exactly when he left, the timeline is kind of confusing. He does apply for Spectre training no matter what you do - for Paragons, he goes back to C-Sec and applies for Spectre training, and for Renegades, he applies for Spectre training but doesn't go back to C-Sec. Garrus really wants to be a Spectre. It didn't happen for him (yet) though.

And everyone is welcome to ask questions on the Garrus thread.

[PseudoEthnic]

Okay, the mere fact that the Garrus hate thread has gone over 10 pages is making me hate this forum(more).

[Taitiana]

Kim Shepard wrote...

No, Garrus isn't a Spectre. He applies for Spectre training, but left the Citadel at some point, possibly before the training even started. I'm not sure exactly when he left, the timeline is kind of confusing. He does apply for Spectre training no matter what you do - for Paragons, he goes back to C-Sec and applies for Spectre training, and for Renegades, he applies for Spectre training but doesn't go back to C-Sec. Garrus really wants to be a Spectre. It didn't happen for him (yet) though.

And everyone is welcome to ask questions on the Garrus thread.

Whoa, that's a relief. I was just paranoid-I was thinking that Garrus would just fade away into nothing at the end(after) of ME3 if you just let him. Perhaps he'd be able to find out what his way, or at least what he wants-as a spectre, I mean.
Reason I care: Even though I find myself unfaithful to him repeatedly (with Thane...twice) he's the only one I've ever had a real crush on. Only one as in the only thing, person, or character I've ever gotten a crush on. IE: Last year, I recall grinning like a idiot in class while thinking of him. It isn't that I have a obsession with him...I just have what you'd call a special place in my heart for him. Thane...well, I'm not sure.

Sorry about the 'intruding' mention-and a double thanks for the somewhat welcoming attitude plus helpfulness.

Edit: A...Garrus hate thread? Is there one for every character or is it just him?

Modifié par Taitiana, 01 février 2011 - 01:46 .

[Liec]

Kim Shepard wrote...

No, Garrus isn't a Spectre. He applies for Spectre training, but left the Citadel at some point, possibly before the training even started. I'm not sure exactly when he left, the timeline is kind of confusing. He does apply for Spectre training no matter what you do - for Paragons, he goes back to C-Sec and applies for Spectre training, and for Renegades, he applies for Spectre training but doesn't go back to C-Sec. Garrus really wants to be a Spectre. It didn't happen for him (yet) though.

And everyone is welcome to ask questions on the Garrus thread.

Unless you don't push him to become paragon or renegade. Or if you don't recruit him. If you paragon him he mentions applying for spectre training in ME1, but not in ME2 :-/

Modifié par Liec, 01 février 2011 - 01:48 .

[Kim Shepard]

@PseudoEthnic: Just ignore the hate threads. That's what I do, anyway. Everyone likes some characters and don't like others. Garrus certainly wouldn't care if a few people don't like him.

@Taitiana: I'd like to see Garrus become a Spectre, but after ME3. How awesome would it be if Garrus and Shepard were both Spectres and teamed up to fight crime or whatever the next big threat was?

By "unfaithful" to Garrus, do you mean that some of your Shepards try to romance both him and Thane but choose Thane, or that you have separate Shepards for Garrus and Thane? Because the second one isn't cheating, just an alternate universe. xD I actually don't romance the same character with more than one Shepard unless I don't like them. I only have one FemShep for Garrus and no one else in my game can have him (Shepards in other players' games don't count because they have their own Garrus). If I don't like a character, I can give them one Shepard who likes them and another who cheats for my amusement, or something like that. Garrus is lucky he's a favorite.

@Liec: What does he say when he ends up with the "confused" neutral dialogue, C-Sec or no mention at all?

Modifié par Kim Shepard, 01 février 2011 - 02:00 .

[Taitiana]

(I was referring to the gap in between ME1 and ME2, if he tries for training because of what you say).

Oh....wait, so I might of still screwed up. Attempt at a Clearer question: did you actually have to push him to make him apply for the training between ME1 and ME2? I heard about his attempt at training before ME1, but I was passive when responding...

On another note: And I looked at the Garrus hate thread. Grinned a dumb grin. Even chuckled a little.

Looks like they aren't serious haters, by what's on the first page at least. It's mostly just kicks, half-troll things. Haven't seen a genuinely 'hateful' comment yet. But I really need to read the rest...edit: I have read some more but actually there's just a bunch of people arguing in 'intellectual language' about the nature of the thread/ complaining about people like themselves. There's few (10%) people actually there that have a genuine, actually fair argument against Garrus. It's very...entertaining, reading that thread actually.   

Some (35%) of the 'haters' are probably Garrus fans just having fun/or people just looking for a random trolling target.

Modifié par Taitiana, 01 février 2011 - 03:19 .

[Liec]

Kim Shepard wrote...
@Liec: What does he say when he ends up with the "confused" neutral dialogue, C-Sec or no mention at all?

He doesn't go back to C-sec.

Garrus: Commander, I wanted to thank you.
Shepard: What for, Garrus?
Garrus: For everything. Taking me with you. Letting me be part of your team. I've learned a lot.
Garrus: I'm uh... Thanks, Commander.
Shepard: You're welcome, Garrus (renegade: That's quite a speech, Garrus)

And then in ME2:
After the Normandy was destroyed, most of us went our separate ways. C-Sec asked me back, but I turned them down.

Modifié par Liec, 01 février 2011 - 02:14 .

[Kim Shepard]

@Taitiana: If you respond with mostly "Paragon" dialogue choices, Garrus will say that he'll go back to C-Sec and apply for Spectre training. If you respond with mostly "Renegade" dialogue choices, Garrus will say tha he's going to apply for Spectre training. You don't specifically tell him which one to do, but what you say to Garrus will help him decide on his own.

@Liec: Thanks for the info. That "C-Sec asked me back, but I turned them down" line does sound familiar. So I guess confused Garrus does nothing until he leaves for Omega. xD

[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

PseudoEthnic wrote...

Okay, the mere fact that the Garrus hate thread has gone over 10 pages is making me hate this forum(more).

Which is why I have moved to the Cerberus Daily News forums. 

[Taitiana]

To Kim's other question-You make a good point, though honestly I was just mentally unfaithful (something that expands over possible parallel dimensions) to Garrus. I went into all my playthroughs (after my first) wanting to romance him. Instead every single time I run to Thane.



Admittedly, even though I usually don't like drama much, it'd make my year if there was a confrontation between Garrus/Thane...wow...it'd almost make cheating on one of them worth it...



woe to us that the Bioware people avoid a important aspect of storytelling: character interaction. Then again, Garrus/Thane aren't really the ones to just start a war with one another.



And the newer information looks more promising on the whole spectre thing. Plus, the idea with Garrus/Shepard teaming up as spectres could be awesome and Bioware will probably Try to put something like that into the third game...but who knows how it'd turn out. It'd probably be exciting but lacking.



Also I'm getting the feeling something like teaming up with him is a ending for ME3:



The two depart from the spectres, or at least the remaining crew...to become vigilantes after becoming tired of the council. Perhaps secret lovers as well? There should be endings like this, seriously.



*Sniffs*(...Hopefully Thane will last that long...)

[Kim Shepard]

Garrus and Thane don't really have a confrontation if you try to romance both. Garrus will say he doesn't want to get involved in a love triangle, and Thane lets Shepard know that he can tell there's someone else on her mind - I'm not sure which one will speak up though, possibly the one whose romance was started first. It's not in-character for the two of them to have a confrontation anyway. Thane is such a polite, relaxed guy, and Garrus is willing to step aside with no questions asked if Shepard prefers someone else.

I hope there's a short conversation in ME3 where Shepard can say what his/her plans are after defeating the Reapers that'll help determine the epilogue. A Spectre or vigilante ending would be cool. My FemShep isn't the type to keep her relationship with Garrus secret though. She's more the type to shout it from the rooftops, "I'm dating a turian - take that, Councillor!" (She has a bit of a grudge against the Council. It's the constant denial and the airquotes.) She would totally say it in front of that annoying reporter too, and punch out the first person who insults her boyfriend.

Modifié par Kim Shepard, 01 février 2011 - 03:19 .

[Liec]

 What about this ending: Sovereign says that the Reapers created the relays so organics develop how they want, and then Legion says that the true geth rejected Sovereign because they considered it better to develop their own technology. What if to truly defeat the Reapers it becomes necessary to destroy the relays as well, so every race develops without their influence (remember how matriarch Aethyta suggested building their own relays?). If that happened then Shepard and Garrus would end up separated because they cannot eat food from the same planet.

[Kim Shepard]

Well, if the Reapers are all dead, would it matter if organics continued to develop along the path they created? That is assuming ME3 ends with the complete destruction of the Reapers. Anyway, I'm sure Shepard and Garrus could stay together. Any planet that has a lot of different species living on it, like the Citadel and Illium, would have food for both.

[Liec]

The Reapers could destroy them if cornered, or out of spite. I know I would if I were a Reaper =P I'm just considering what would happen in an ending in which the relays are gone. There's food for both on some planets but it has to be imported, that's why humans had the advantage in the first contact war.

Modifié par Liec, 01 février 2011 - 03:34 .

[Shadow_Soul]

Liec wrote...

 What about this ending: Sovereign says that the Reapers created the relays so organics develop how they want, and then Legion says that the true geth rejected Sovereign because they considered it better to develop their own technology. What if to truly defeat the Reapers it becomes necessary to destroy the relays as well, so every race develops without their influence (remember how matriarch Aethyta suggested building their own relays?). If that happened then Shepard and Garrus would end up separated because they cannot eat food from the same planet.

That's what you think. One thing both Humans and Turians can eat are doughnuts. Lol. Ever talked with that guard on Noveria?

[Kim Shepard]

I'm not sure if the Reapers would feel emotions like spite, but I could see them destroying the relays in an attempt to stop Shepard or another army from reaching them. It's a good strategy. But if that happened, Garrus and Shepard wouldn't exactly have the option to stay together or go back to their own homeworlds/colonies - they would be stuck wherever they were when the Reapers blew up the relays.

Shadow_Soul wrote...

That's what you think. One thing both Humans and Turians can eat are doughnuts. Lol. Ever talked with that guard on Noveria?

I wonder if turians have their own dextro-donuts, or if that turian guard could just eat human food without an allergic reaction. If it's human food, they wouldn't get any nutrition from it.

[Liec]

Mmm... so Garrus would end up on Earth surviving on a doughnut diet... as a cop. Best ending ever =D

[Taitiana]

Yeah, like I said, I know it's not quite in character-it's just in the microscopic chance (considering their personalities, etc) that they do in some fanfiction...it'd be very interesting. You're right in repeating that it's out of their character, though, because once I think of it, my mind goes blank when trying to imagine them Actually talking to each other. Anyone here that can...please make a fanfiction. A perf. funny one. : )

Somehow, the Mass Relay destruction one sounds likely...but something like that would probably be a choice at the end, or a sum of your decisions earlier in the game.

IE: If you kept the council, Mass Relay stays.

The species if without the Mass Relays would probably drift apart for a time into bitter isolation/ minorities of differing species could stay together with plenty of troubles/all in all, there would come a time again after Shepard's times where the Citadel or something like it will fill up with different species again-only when species have reconsidered themselves, grown enough to make their own Citadel.

*Shrugs*

Edit: And I'm out for now, since I'm really bad at keeping up with a coversation-plus my story is calling out for me to continue it.

Modifié par Taitiana, 01 février 2011 - 03:53 .

[Kim Shepard]

That would be hilarious, but... he can't really live on human donuts. They would just pass through his system without providing any of the nutrients he needs to survive. And my Shepards encourage him to be Renegade, so he would be a vigilante instead of a cop. The humans would call him turian Batman, just like they do on the forums. xD

I think Garrus and Thane would get along well if they ever talked to each other. The thing is, Thane's not used to being social and Garrus doesn't seem to be the type who would go out of his way to talk with someone. Garrus is impressed by Thane's skills. They could probably have polite, casual conversation... maybe one that involves snipers and stealth kills. At least, it sounds like the sort of thing two guys who are very mission-focused would talk about.

[Pacifien]

I like Thane's comment when you mod the game to have him at Garrus's recruitment mission. If you leave him with Garrus, he mentions being able to do a lot more damage that way. They'd probably keep score.

[Kim Shepard]

That would be awesome, watching the two of them have a kill-counting contest. And then Shepard can complain about the the snipers stealing all of his/her kills.

[Pacifien]

I have been known to switch Garrus to an assault rifle from time to time solely out of frustration in having my kills sniped.