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[Aricle]

Hey everyone! I read through most of the 20ish pages since life and dropped 'net access interfered. You are busy and productive as always, sure covered a lot of ground.

Hittin' some points that stood out to me:

I am still sorting out my take on Saleon with a new Shepard; she follows the rules for the most part due to her Spacer upbringing, until finding Kahoku dead with the Alliance doing little or nothing about it. She also met Toombs again, who killed himself after killing the scientist.

Now? She is more inclined to do what needs to be done even if it means breaking the rules, which she previously advised Garrus against. She wants to stop Saleon because he can and obviously did continue his experiments after leaving the Citadel, as evidenced by the many colours of blood on his ship. Still doesn't want any collateral damage by way of people- would have wanted CSec to follow Saleon and take him down out of range of Citadel to prevent damage there and the Future damage he inflicted- told Garrus CSec were idiots about this- and did not want Toombs to die.*
*OOC explanation: not enough R or P apparently. Playing by the Alliance rulebook messes up the R and P accruing. [my Charm and Intimidate pts are high but no help there].
-(You can tell Garrus he's no better than a terrorist with a badge at one point if he's not being careful of hostages w/ Saleon.)

Comparing ME to ME2: 
--I find myself missing the combat system of ME2, not the heat clips although I keep trying to hit 'R' and reload 'em, but being able to hotkey squad abilities as well as mine is absolutely fantastic. One of those 'never thought of it, sure love it' deals.
--The ME2 system is more shooter-friendly, reminds me of what XPlay said on their preview about its being more of a shooter this time around, which made me worried at first. Nevertheless, don't miss endless omnigelling, so please don't overhaul it, just leave it be for the most part... develop more story instead.
--Optional helmets please! How can I drink poisoned drinks otherwise??
--The ME2 'loyalty' missions were structured and introduced in such a linear way as compared to the discovery of information/concerns from the crew by simply talking to them in ME. I don't need Kelly telling me that so-and-so wants to talk; I will talk to them because I want to... Jacob the exception of course.

Neria Rose wrote...

I don't need a nude scene to think it was amazing. I loved the scene with Garrus, though I do wish I could have had a hug or a kiss on his forehead. In fact, I found the ending scenes for all of the ME2 romances I've watched, except perhaps Jacob and Miranda, to be superior to the ME1 scenes. That's not to say the ME1 scenes were bad. They weren't (at least Kaidan's wasn't), but ME2 scenes were definitely cuter and more endearing.

Concerning build-up, I consider ME1 as part of the build-up for Garrus' and Tali's romances. Garrus/Tali and Shepard were close due to the previous game. They already trusted each other in ME2. No other romance has that.

I agree; I started ME2 waiting to see Kaidan again. His response on Horizon hurt, made me have a Virmire/Archangel moment of 'did I miss something that could have changed the outcome'... most of all, though, Garrus was there, is there and will be there. That carries the day for my Shepard.

Modifié par Aricle, 08 juillet 2010 - 06:55 .

[Kim Shepard]

How much Paragon/Renegade did you have? I'm just curious because my MaleShep killed the scientist for Toombs just fine, and he only had 60% Paragon and 40% Renegade before Ilos. He was on NG+ though, so his Charm/Intimidate got completely maxed out at some point in that playthrough, if it makes a difference.

[lovgreno]

Kim Shepard wrote...

Etarn's store is definitely MainShep's favorite. I'm not sure which one would be MaleShep's favorite... Etarn won't be too happy with him for letting the Council die, but the weapons store would be the one he buys the most stuff from. Maybe the one selling model ships will be his favorite then - he really likes that kind of stuff. I don't even remember all of the stores.

I hope Shepard gets the chance to use that "Ah yes, 'Reapers'" line in ME3. Even some of the Shepards who would save the Council again anyway might still want to throw that line back at him. The MaleShep I mentioned won't get to, but he had a lot of good lines with the turian councillor, like "Three? No, four!" and "Here's another saying - go to hell!" xD

I would realy like to give Etarn a geth head to use as a desk lamp (preferably before I pick up Legion of course, they may have a problem with that for obvious reasons. Shepard would probably object if Legion wanted a human head as a desk lamp), his store had some great stuff and he knew how to sell not just a product but a whole concept of adventure traveling. Such a ambitious and enthusiastic merchant is surely a boon to any shop.
When I think about it I would love a DLC about one of his adventure hunting packages. Wrex, Shepard and Garrus would have a great time, but they are probably too busy to take a vacation with the impending doom of reapers coming.
I am quite sure Shepard and the turian councilour loves throwing sarcasms at eachothers. They are both among the worst smart***** in the galaxy.

Modifié par lovgreno, 08 juillet 2010 - 07:59 .

[Mentatzoee]

lovgreno wrote...
I am quite sure Shepard and the turian councilour loves throwing sarcasms at eachothers. They are both among the worst smart***** in the galaxy.

I can't wait to see his face when he knows what Shepard and Garrus have been doing.

Modifié par Mentatzoee, 08 juillet 2010 - 08:12 .

[Nilfalasiel]

Mentatzoee wrote…
 
I can't wait to see his face when he knows what Shepard and Garrus have been doing.

 
Uh…I certainly hope Shep doesn’t discuss her sex life with Councillor Velarn
 

Neria Rose wrote...

I don't need a nude scene to think it was amazing. I loved the scene with Garrus, though I do wish I could have had a hug or a kiss on his forehead. In fact, I found the ending scenes for all of the ME2 romances I've watched, except perhaps Jacob and Miranda, to be superior to the ME1 scenes. That's not to say the ME1 scenes were bad. They weren't (at least Kaidan's wasn't), but ME2 scenes were definitely cuter and more endearing.

Concerning build-up, I consider ME1 as part of the build-up for Garrus' and Tali's romances. Garrus/Tali and Shepard were close due to the previous game. They already trusted each other in ME2. No other romance has that.

 
I’m not saying I want pr0nz either (although, what we got with Miranda and Jacob came damn close…even with most of their clothes still on), but the actual way the romances were structured in ME1 felt more natural. The conversations weren’t ALL about “soo…when do we get it on?” (at least, they weren’t with Kaidan), you got a greater sense of growing intimacy, and I thought that the final scene was very tastefully done, despite there being skin shown. Heck, I thought Miranda’s/Jacob’s pre-Omega 4 scenes were more skanky than the ME1 scenes, even though all you saw was a bra and some abs. By the way, the French expression for well-toned abs is “chocolate squares”, which seems particularly appropriate in this case
 
So yes, maybe the ME1 scenes were copy-pasted (although I only ever saw the Kaidan one in-game—watched the others on YouTube so I could see the dialogue with Ash and Liara—, so the copy-paste impression was greatly lessened for me), but the entire way the romances were handled still had a lot of good points to it. Don’t get me wrong: I far prefer the actual romance options in ME2 and the fact that the scenes are more unique. But there was a lot less dialogue, the buildup felt somewhat rushed, and the dry-humping in the human romances felt awkward and out of place. Either make the scenes less explicit, like the alien ones, or be realistic about what you’re showing (it’s even worse in DA:O, with the underwear…if you were not going to show nudity, WHY make the actual scenes so explicit?) Again, not asking for pr0nz, but what was shown in ME1 seemed just about right to me, and would’ve been just about right for, say, the Jack scene. I can understand the logistical/public opinion problems involved in doing something like that for the alien scenes, but just a teensy bit more for the Garrus scene would’ve been great. 
 
As for the fact that Tali's and Garrus' buildups happened in ME1, that's not quite the same thing. There was no romantic buildup for them in ME1: all I got was a sense of friendship, even between MaleShep and Tali (who's supposed to have a crush on him in ME1 already), and the jump from that to ME2 still felt odd to me. If anything, I could imagine there being more buildup for people who are already good friends, because they'd be careful with making the transition so that it doesn't mess up the preexisting friendship.

On a completely different topic, the idea of Garrus saying “spirits” as an equivalent to “my god” doesn’t really bother me. Even if he’s not religious (and he doesn’t strike me as the religious type), humans who aren’t religious will still use “oh god”, because it’s a cultural trope. Garrus never says “spirits” in game, because he’s never shown in a situation where a human would say “oh god”, but it’s not too much of a stretch to me to imagine him saying something of the sort if the occasion arises. It’s certainly better than having him say “oh god” instead.

Modifié par Nilfalasiel, 08 juillet 2010 - 09:10 .

[Aricle]

Kim Shepard wrote...

How much Paragon/Renegade did you have? I'm just curious because my MaleShep killed the scientist for Toombs just fine, and he only had 60% Paragon and 40% Renegade before Ilos. He was on NG+ though, so his Charm/Intimidate got completely maxed out at some point in that playthrough, if it makes a difference.

It's a new PT with a new Shepard, w/ all the bonuses from most achievements applicable (inc. xp etc). I haven't done much; trying to get more gear and skills before tackling Noveria or Feros-- charm and intimidate almost maxed. So far, twice as much P as R but I'm talking in the low bars at the start of the meter. I am sad/frustrated when I have no choice but some completely useless neutral remark, thus seeing Burns executed (reloaded and leaving until later) or watching Toombs kill himself after shooting the scientist. I don't want to break the persona but it seems like I need to start doing some bad stuff or get angelic. Kind of stalling out here, if the outcomes are all going to be ineffective comments.  Any advice?

Oh, and my question or your answer got buried somewhere in here:
you said you have 15 Shepards and only have played ME2 once? Are you playing each of the 15 through ME1 before playing ME2 again?

Nilfalasiel wrote...
 
As for the fact that Tali's and
Garrus' buildups happened in ME1, that's not quite the same thing. There
was no romantic buildup for them in ME1: all I got was a sense of
friendship, even between MaleShep and Tali (who's supposed to have a
crush on him in ME1 already), and the jump from that to ME2 still felt
odd to me. If anything, I could imagine there being more buildup
for people who are already good friends, because they'd be careful with
making the transition so that it doesn't mess up the preexisting
friendship.

Hmm, good point. I think that I build that perception up in myself because of feeling such strong identification with the Shep x Garrus romance, as far as there having been a pre-existing bond there (ME1). There is a sense of the haste of Garrus' Sidonis conflict then his not talking about it again- this seemed more abrupt than the romantic transition. I think that is where the transition from friends to other could have been explored; being together in such a difficult situation could bring them that much closer. Garrus would have talked about Sidonis more given time-- and I wanted them to talk more; when the conversation shifted to sparring, I was surprised then delighted... and wish that they talked more later about Sidonis or Garrus' perceptions of that. However, much conversation about matters outside romance seem to dwindle after the 'locked-in' romance phase with all LIs in general.

LAST not least: would it be possible to add Raptorix's turian drawing tutorial link to the OP? It was in one of the pages from the last thread, but I think Raptorix would prefer to know about it before its being added.

Modifié par Aricle, 08 juillet 2010 - 09:34 .

[Mentatzoee]

Nilfalasiel wrote...

Mentatzoee wrote…
 
I can't wait to see his face when he knows what Shepard and Garrus have been doing.

 
Uh…I certainly hope Shep doesn’t discuss her sex life with Councillor Velarn

Lol yeah, you've got a point there.

I thought it more like one of these comments you spit in a certain moment out of wrath or the like and ends up with a room full of blushy people.

Still, the picture of Shepard and Councilor Velarn having a coffee and discussing their most intimate matters is... Well, intriguing, to say the least.

[lovgreno]

Mentatzoee wrote...

Nilfalasiel wrote...

Mentatzoee wrote…
 
I can't wait to see his face when he knows what Shepard and Garrus have been doing.

 
Uh…I certainly hope Shep doesn’t discuss her sex life with Councillor Velarn

Lol yeah, you've got a point there.

I thought it more like one of these comments you spit in a certain moment out of wrath or the like and ends up with a room full of blushy people.

Still, the picture of Shepard and Councilor Velarn having a coffee and discussing their most intimate matters is... Well, intriguing, to say the least.

Hmmm. Yes such a confrontation have potential. In fact it would be fun and quite probable twist if Shepard and the turian councilour ended up as friends. They have a lot in common after all.

[Mentatzoee]

lovgreno wrote...

Mentatzoee wrote...

Nilfalasiel wrote...

Mentatzoee wrote…
 
I can't wait to see his face when he knows what Shepard and Garrus have been doing.

 
Uh…I certainly hope Shep doesn’t discuss her sex life with Councillor Velarn

Lol yeah, you've got a point there.

I thought it more like one of these comments you spit in a certain moment out of wrath or the like and ends up with a room full of blushy people.

Still, the picture of Shepard and Councilor Velarn having a coffee and discussing their most intimate matters is... Well, intriguing, to say the least.

Hmmm. Yes such a confrontation have potential. In fact it would be fun and quite probable twist if Shepard and the turian councilour ended up as friends. They have a lot in common after all.

Yes!
They have known each other for a long time now, and they would have a lot to talk about (like Reapers, for instance). Besides, the councilor should have space for his personal life and... Chatting with Shep would be a great way to appreciate mankind.

[Aricle]

Mentatzoee wrote...
Yes!
They have known each other for a long time now, and they would have a lot to talk about (like Reapers, for instance). Besides, the councilor should have space for his personal life and... Chatting with Shep would be a great way to appreciate mankind.

Have you seen the turian councilor's facebook page? http://www.facebook....100000811485887

It's funny; pretty good roleplaying community over there actually. I was surprised.

Modifié par Aricle, 08 juillet 2010 - 10:10 .

[lovgreno]

Mentatzoee wrote...
Yes!
They have known each other for a long time now, and they would have a lot to talk about (like Reapers, for instance). Besides, the councilor should have space for his personal life and... Chatting with Shep would be a great way to appreciate mankind.

They would still throw sarcasms at eachothers of course. That's just their style.

Shepard: So I hear there was a lot of *airquotes* reapers around here lately councilour.
Councilour: You and your "reapers"... Whatever they were our Thanix cannons took care of them without any need of human "help".
Shepard: Still the stubborn sceptic even in the face of annihilation councilour?
Councilour: There was never any such threat to the citadell fleet that you saw in your dreams. But you did create a decent  diversion to the attackers while the turian fleet took care of things.
Shepard: You know councilour, that is probably the nicest thing you ever said to me. Don't worry I wont spread it around.
Councilour: I am so pleased to hear that a human, especialy you, have finaly learned the value of tact and discretion.
Shepard: I might tell Garrus about it though. You know how it get with pillow talk.
Councilour: Disgusting. Do you have to remind me of that all the time?
Shepard: If you knew what we do in detail you would understand why it is on my mind all the time. Are you that much better anyway? I heard things about you and the asari councilour.
Councilour: We have dismissed those claims.

[Jackalope]

Aricle wrote...
Have you seen the turian councilor's facebook page? http://www.facebook....100000811485887

Councilor's Facebook page...
Telling me to 'turn the sun off' so you can sleep will not make it happen. If you need darkness, use window blinds!

I was laughing so hard at that.

[Nilfalasiel]

Aricle wrote...

It's a new PT with a new Shepard, w/ all the bonuses from most achievements applicable (inc. xp etc). I haven't done much; trying to get more gear and skills before tackling Noveria or Feros-- charm and intimidate almost maxed. So far, twice as much P as R but I'm talking in the low bars at the start of the meter. I am sad/frustrated when I have no choice but some completely useless neutral remark, thus seeing Burns executed (reloaded and leaving until later) or watching Toombs kill himself after shooting the scientist. I don't want to break the persona but it seems like I need to start doing some bad stuff or get angelic. Kind of stalling out here, if the outcomes are all going to be ineffective comments.  Any advice?

According to the Wiki, you need 6 points in Charm for Burns and 10 points for Toombs. When you say that you have Charm AND Intimidate almost maxed out...do you mean that they're almost maxed out for your level? Because I find it a little hard to believe that they'd be almost maxed out on a new Shep that early in the game (especially if it's both).

Hmm, good point. I think that I build that perception up in myself because of feeling such strong identification with the Shep x Garrus romance, as far as there having been a pre-existing bond there (ME1). There is a sense of the haste of Garrus' Sidonis conflict then his not talking about it again- this seemed more abrupt than the romantic transition. I think that is where the transition from friends to other could have been explored; being together in such a difficult situation could bring them that much closer. Garrus would have talked about Sidonis more given time-- and I wanted them to talk more; when the conversation shifted to sparring, I was surprised then delighted... and wish that they talked more later about Sidonis or Garrus' perceptions of that. However, much conversation about matters outside romance seem to dwindle after the 'locked-in' romance phase with all LIs in general.

Yeah, I think it's easy to retrospectively see things in the ME1 interactions with Garrus and Tali based on the fact that they become romanceable in ME2. I also think that the shift from Sidonis to flirting in ME2 was too abrupt. It's kind of like..."Shep, really? He just shot/almost shot a guy in cold blood, and that's all you're gonna say?"

[Mentatzoee]

lovgreno wrote...
They would still throw sarcasms at
eachothers of course. That's just their style.

Shepard: So I hear
there was a lot of *airquotes* reapers around here lately councilour.
Councilour:
You and your "reapers"... Whatever they were our Thanix cannons took
care of them without any need of human "help".
Shepard: Still the
stubborn sceptic even in the face of annihilation councilour?
Councilour:
There was never any such threat to the citadell fleet that you saw in
your dreams. But you did create a decent  diversion to the attackers
while the turian fleet took care of things.
Shepard: You know
councilour, that is probably the nicest thing you ever said to me. Don't
worry I wont spread it around.
Councilour: I am so pleased to hear
that a human, especialy you, have finaly learned the value of tact and
discretion.
Shepard: I might tell Garrus about it though. You know
how it get with pillow talk.
Councilour: Disgusting. Do you have to
remind me of that all the time?
Shepard: If you knew what we do in
detail you would understand why it is on my mind all the time. Are you
that much better anyway? I heard things about you and the asari
councilour.
Councilour: We have dismissed those claims.

XDD

Garrus wouldn't get jealous of their talks, would he?

Aricle wrote...

Mentatzoee wrote...
Yes!
They have known each other for a long time now, and they would have a lot to talk about (like Reapers, for instance). Besides, the councilor should have space for his personal life and... Chatting with Shep would be a great way to appreciate mankind.

Have you seen the turian councilor's facebook page? http://www.facebook....100000811485887

It's funny; pretty good roleplaying community over there actually. I was surprised.

I can't see his profile because I don't have FB but...


LMAO! I just saw what an internal discussion at the Council would look like.

[Jade5233]

Aricle wrote...

Hmm, good point. I think that I build that perception up in myself because of feeling such strong identification with the Shep x Garrus romance, as far as there having been a pre-existing bond there (ME1). There is a sense of the haste of Garrus' Sidonis conflict then his not talking about it again- this seemed more abrupt than the romantic transition. I think that is where the transition from friends to other could have been explored; being together in such a difficult situation could bring them that much closer. Garrus would have talked about Sidonis more given time-- and I wanted them to talk more; when the conversation shifted to sparring, I was surprised then delighted... and wish that they talked more later about Sidonis or Garrus' perceptions of that. However, much conversation about matters outside romance seem to dwindle after the 'locked-in' romance phase with all LIs in general.

LAST not least: would it be possible to add Raptorix's turian drawing tutorial link to the OP? It was in one of the pages from the last thread, but I think Raptorix would prefer to know about it before its being added.

I haven't played through romancing the ME2 characters yet, but I plan to make another character that will.  At first I thought Garrus would be the natural choice considering the fact that there was already a friendship and trust there.  But I watched on YouTube how the "romance" goes, and I agree with some of those above that in comparison to ME1, it seems forced/abrupt.  Its comes off as more "working off some tension" than having deep emotions involved.

I also was a bit disappointed after Horizon.  I was hoping that perhaps Garrus, being a friend would offer my femShep some consolation/comforting after her encounter with her former love.  But he had nothing whatsoever to say. 

[Pacifien]

Okay, here's my odd request for the morning. A lot of fans find songs that remind them of their favorite characters, particularly in regards to relationships. I find myself unable to do this for the most part because I have this tendency to completely fail hearing lyrics in a song: the vocals become part of the harmony and I am unable to actually decipher the lyrics.

So here's what I'm curious about. The music you feel captures your thoughts on Garrus or Garrus/Shepard. But I'm looking for two things. 1) Music where the melody itself reminds you of Garrus and/or Shepard regardless of whatever lyrics there may be. 2) If you feel a certain song captures the relationship, a link to the lyrics as well as the song.

[Mentatzoee]

Jade5233 wrote...
I also was a bit disappointed after Horizon.  I was hoping that perhaps Garrus, being a friend would offer my femShep some consolation/comforting after her encounter with her former love.  But he had nothing whatsoever to say. 

I thought Garrus actually said something to Shep after having seen Kaidan!
I haven't played it though so... No clue. Then Garrus just stays silent? Meh.

Pacifien wrote...

Okay, here's my odd request for the
morning. A lot of fans find songs that remind them of their favorite
characters, particularly in regards to relationships. I find myself
unable to do this for the most part because I have this tendency to
completely fail hearing lyrics in a song: the vocals become part of the
harmony and I am unable to actually decipher the lyrics.

So
here's what I'm curious about. The music you feel captures your thoughts
on Garrus or Garrus/Shepard. But I'm looking for two things. 1) Music
where the melody itself reminds you of Garrus and/or Shepard regardless
of whatever lyrics there may be. 2) If you feel a certain song captures
the relationship, a link to the lyrics as well as the song.

I'm pretty sure you've checked this thread but I'll repeat what I said there.
I think Garrus might listen at Radiohead's Creep because of the lyrics (they're written in the comments of the video, even if they're famos enough -oh, and that's the censored version!). It's not like he's the kind of fella that would think of himself like that but... it would be reaaally romantic if he did.  (He does in my daydreams XD)

Modifié par Mentatzoee, 08 juillet 2010 - 03:10 .

[HardKorps]

Guy Love. For MaleShep bromance anyway.

[Nilfalasiel]

Jade5233 wrote...

I haven't played through romancing the ME2 characters yet, but I plan to make another character that will.  At first I thought Garrus would be the natural choice considering the fact that there was already a friendship and trust there.  But I watched on YouTube how the "romance" goes, and I agree with some of those above that in comparison to ME1, it seems forced/abrupt.  Its comes off as more "working off some tension" than having deep emotions involved.

Have you watched the final romance scene? It's very clear that, to Garrus at least, it's a lot more than just "working off tension" at that point. But then again, it's already pretty clear that it's more than that starting from the second romance convo. He tells Shepard he's not normally attracted to humans, but that with her, it's not just about attraction, it's "about us". He also gives her an out, saying that she could "find something closer to home".

That's not just working off tension.

I'm the first one to complain that there's not enough dialogue in the romance and that the buildup isn't as good as in ME1. But the actual content of the romance: the emotion is definitely there. I can't think of anybody else that FemShep would be better paired off with.

As for his reaction to Horizon, he actually tells Kaidan off if you bring him along to the mission.

@ Pacifien: There are plenty of suggestions over in Clan V., you should go take a look there.

I've mentioned it in the previous thread and in the Clan V. thread, but hey, third time's a charm! Wish You Were Here by Pink Floyd fits the bill perfectly as a Shepard reflecting on how Omega changed Garrus. The music is simple and melancholy and the lyrics are pretty much spot-on the whole way through: it touches on Garrus' moral confusion (not being able to see Sidonis' betrayal), giving up a small part in a grand cause for a leading role in what is essentially a dead end (Omega), "regressing" from how he evolved in ME1, Shepard going from being a hero to being a ghost.

Modifié par Nilfalasiel, 08 juillet 2010 - 03:39 .

[Mentatzoee]

Nilfalasiel wrote...
I've mentioned it in the previous thread and in the Clan V. thread, but hey, third time's a charm! Wish You Were Here by Pink Floyd fits the bill pretty perfectly as a Shepard reflecting on how Omega changed Garrus. The music is simple and melancholy and the words are pretty much spot-on the whole way through.

Oh Nilf! I didn't see it in Clan V's thread but this is a Great song for the moment you mentioned.
Really reall Great.

[ciaweth]

Whoops, someone already posted what I posted.  Carry on.

NOTHING TO SEE HERE, FOLKS.

Modifié par ciaweth, 08 juillet 2010 - 03:33 .

[Cerrydd]

Nilfalasiel wrote...

Jade5233 wrote...

I haven't played through romancing the ME2 characters yet, but I plan to make another character that will.  At first I thought Garrus would be the natural choice considering the fact that there was already a friendship and trust there.  But I watched on YouTube how the "romance" goes, and I agree with some of those above that in comparison to ME1, it seems forced/abrupt.  Its comes off as more "working off some tension" than having deep emotions involved.

Have you watched the final romance scene? It's very clear that, to Garrus at least, it's a lot more than just "working off tension" at that point. But then again, it's already pretty clear that it's more than that starting from the second romance convo. He tells Shepard he's not normally attracted to humans, but that with her, it's not just about attraction, it's "about us". He also gives her an out, saying that she could "find something closer to home".

That's not just working off tension.

And you could watch the rejection scene if you really want to be sure.

@Pac: As others have said, there's a music topic in Clan V. Apart from Garrus' theme song, I don't think there are other melodies that remind me of Garrus. It's mostly up to the lyrics to make me think of him.

[Mentatzoee]

Cerrydd wrote...
And you could watch the rejection scene if you really want to be sure.

That's... cruel.

Poor Garrus

[Pacifien]

Cerrydd wrote...
@Pac: As others have said, there's a music topic in Clan V. Apart from Garrus' theme song, I don't think there are other melodies that remind me of Garrus. It's mostly up to the lyrics to make me think of him.

Maaaan, I hate using the groups on this website. They offend my every internet design sense. Bah. I'll take a look. Maybe.

In the meantime, I'm going to find Garrus art made purely in the ASCII format. Or make it myself.

[Pacifien]

Nilfalasiel wrote...
Have you watched the final romance scene? It's very clear that, to Garrus at least, it's a lot more than just "working off tension" at that point. But then again, it's already pretty clear that it's more than that starting from the second romance convo. He tells Shepard he's not normally attracted to humans, but that with her, it's not just about attraction, it's "about us". He also gives her an out, saying that she could "find something closer to home".

That's not just working off tension.

I call that wanting to give her a way out to avoid any chance of it ended up being an awkward situation. I've always viewed the Garrus/Shepard romance as being in a casual stage but stemming from a decidedly deep friendship. There are worries and second-guessing. Deep friendships do not always translate into the best romances, and I can see someone terrified that taking the next step will ruin something special they already had. One of the most heart-wrenching experiences I've had is not a relationship gone bad, but the loss of someone who had been a good friend before the failed romantic relationship ruined it all.

I'm not saying there isn't potential for more with Garrus and Shepard. And my often stated comment on the ME relationships is that you'll get out of it what you put into it. But I think the romance does allow for broad interpretation.

Nilfalasiel wrote...
I've mentioned it in the previous thread and in the Clan V. thread, but hey, third time's a charm! Wish You Were Here by Pink Floyd fits the bill perfectly as a Shepard reflecting on how Omega changed Garrus.*snip*

You get bonus points for mentioning Pink Floyd. Now I'm going to go listen to The Final Cut. Ooh, I bet there's a good one for Garrus in there.