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[Timerider42]

Mesina2 wrote...
*awesome art*

Badass.

[NamiraWilhelm]

 You've probably already seen this, but its uber cute so for those that havent

http://irish-neko.de...t.com/#/d3ael78

Modifié par NamiraWilhelm, 26 février 2011 - 09:11 .

[Sabariel]

Mesina2 wrote...

Wow! That is absolutely gorgeous <3

[YamiSnuffles]

magenator wrote...

Personally I do think the romances in ME1 were better done than ME2. Flirtation gradually lead to something more then there was that cute scene at the lockers things when shepard had a bit of a breakdown.

I'm curious, any thoughts on how it will go down in ME3?

I did like the more natural build up to relationships in ME1. I think it would have been fun if you could have flirted a bit with Garrus but then he just wouldn't get it, so finally you'd have to say something blunt. Of course, my gripe with the ME1 romances will forever be that they were usually so subtle that you would get trap romanced. I think to avoid trap romances they went too far in the other direction.

Personally I would first of all like all current LI's to remain LI's. Then I would like some mixture of how romance was handled in ME1 and 2. Have more diverse romance dialogue options and little emotional scenes like you did in ME1. But still make getting into/out of a relationship obvious like ME2 so there is no accidental trap romances. Oh, and of course, the individualized romance scenes like in ME2 are a must.

Finally, since it must be said, shirtless Garrus for science as a ME3 romance must.

[danitiwa]

YamiSnuffles wrote...
I also heartily agree that it would be nice to hear some other opinions on the romance. Joker and Wrex- being Joker and Wrex- would probably have something hilarious to say. Tali would probably say something adorable. Dunno what Chakwas would say.

Probably something similar to Mordin... Only more clinical and less babbly and fast paced-salarian diction.

I just got Kasumi for the first time today. I love her little comment about Garrus.

silentstephi wrote...

It's silly of me, but I'm trying not to think too too much about what kind of story we'll get from the squaddies come ME3.

The less I think about it, the less I'll be disappointed I guess? I'll be glad if they bring back the ME2 LI in one piece...

Otherwise... nerd rage abounds...

Exactly. Being a Tomb Raider fan I know what it's like to get disappointed greatly by a franchise, so I always just expect the worst. But so far Bioware has managed to pleasantly surprise and exhilerate me every time. I hope they keep (and improve) their game development standards as they go. But I have faith in Bioware, I'm sure they'll figure out loads and loads of epic things to put in ME3.

Modifié par danitiwa, 27 février 2011 - 12:24 .

[Twilight_Princess]

Thane had something like you described Yami, you had the option to say "just friends? It's a start..." before the actual romance conversation started. I would have loved something like that for Garrus, that way it would have given Shep another reason to be blunt because he didn't pick up on the subtle flirting beforehand.  The reason this didn't happen was because Garrus only got 3 conversations (pre- loyalty, loyalty, post-loyalty) so the romance HAD to start on that third convo.  I’m sure if Gar was given the same amount of dialogue like everyone else the flirting and the romance would have been better fleshed out I think. Again WHY DID ONE OF MASS EFFECT’S MOST POPULAR CHARACTERS GET ONLY 3 CONVERSATIONS!!!? This applies to Tali too , they both got the shaft in that department. Now that calibrations have become a well known internet meme hopefully  bioware won’t make this mistake again. The best kind of criticism one can give a character is that they don’t talk ENOUGH.
 
Also,the whole trapped romance thing could have been easily resolved by having the romance dialogue glow like the charm/intimidate options. That way it didn’t have to be offensively obvious (“I want you thane” really shepard?) and no one gets stuck with a character they only wanted to be friends with. It’s the reason why I don’t speak to liara of Kaidan because their first conversation=start of romance if you are playing a polite paragon.  After you speak to them ONCE (if you're kind) the rest of the crew think there’s a “thing” going on , I was all "wtf!?" when Ashley was teasing me about Liara’s sex life! Sure I can let them down in their respective second  conversations but it means I have to be an **** with kaidan and have liara act like we have  “a connection” which icks me out. 
 
The best solution for ME3 is to combine both ME1 and ME2’s approaches to romance while adding a few more improvements


-Have a few romantic cut scenes scattered throughout the game

The “view” scene on the citadel, the locker scene, the end scene from ME1 are great examples of the kind of moments that would be greatly appreciated by fans and will also show progression of the romance throughout the game rather than just at the end.  ME3 should stay true the “night before the final battle” theme that the series is well  known for but should make an effort to “build it up” beforehand. One thing that saddened me in ME2 was that I had to be near the end of the game to see a cinematic moment between the characters, while I was happy it finally happened I was sad that there wasn’t that much playing time left.  That’s why I think several of these kinds of scenes shown throughout the game will make the subplot more meaningful, epic and a lot more fulfilling for the player.


-Diversity

What ME2 did do right however was to make the character scenes diverse, I would like to see a continuation of that as well. No one likes copy n paste cutscenes ( wouldn't kaidan romancers have wanted to see HIS ass instead of shepard's during ME1? lol)
 
-MOAR DIALOGUE

This goes for nearly everyone on the Normandy  but this is mostly aimed at Mr Calibrations.  Lack of dialogue is why the romances felt so bloody rushed in the second game.  Garrus had plenty to talk about in ME1, so did Tali and so did the romances.  It puzzled me how the creators didn’t think the players would notice the unequal character dialogue in the second game, or that they did and didn’t think we wanted to talk to Garrus and Tali that much. Mordin IMO, set the standard; he had about 7 conversations and had a changing “rejection” line that didn’t constantly loop. Why on earth did they not do the same with everyone else? The answer is probably because of time constraints as the game had to be finished on time and they probably overlooked problems like fair amounts of character dialogue. Bioware is known for their great story-telling and character development so it was such a shame that this aspect became so diluted in the second game.  The fans will ADORE bioware if each character is given the time and attention they deserve in the next instalment.  The next game should be aiming for more not less.
 
 -Return of branched dialogue please (with added highlighted romance options)

One thing I noticed during the romances in ME2, is that they seemed to pigeon-hole shepard into one character rather than letting the player pick from a selection of dialogue options that best suited their individual shepard. After complaints about being “trapped” into romances, Bioware took it to the other extreme by only giving players ONE OPTION to romance their respective LIs.  It felt like my way or the highway when it should have been a role playing experience like the rest of the game. Some people had to approach their LI in an out of character way because of this and it didn’t feel like they were in control anymore. I never felt this lack of control in ME1 because it didn’t have that large amount of automatic dialogue (and actions) shepard seemed to have in ME2.


I always use the Kaidan romance as a better example of this choice. If you play a ****y , racist, renegade shepard ,romancing Kaidan never compromises your shepard’s character because you can approach him as a renegade. If you want to play a sweet shepard who falls in love with him you can do that as well. You can also persuade him to suit your way of thinking. There’s no one true way to do it as no choice is really “canon”, ME2 romance choices however ARE canon since there's only one way to go about it. This goes against what the mass effect series should be about. The ONLY thing that was wrong about the ME1 romances was that they should have had highlighted dialogue to tell you which ones would start a romance  (because it just felt like you were being polite otherwise).  It should have also given you the option to be kind AND platonic without starting up a romance. That was the problem, not that that there were too MANY options to choose from.
 
 
Now for the icing! I think the above are most important aspects to work on but these would make it that much better.

-Reactions to your LI, this can mean anything from crew members , that reporter to NPC’s that know or  are involved with your LI in some way.

-Funny interactive moments like dancing or inviting your LI up to your cabin

-special dialogue moments if your LI is in your party with you, these will be romance specific.
 
*phew* I’m done, this was originally just one paragraph but I like a Duracell rabbit I just kept going and going...

Modifié par Hyrule_Gal, 27 février 2011 - 01:21 .

[Kim Shepard]

I think I agree with everything you said there, Hyrule_Gal... unless I missed something. And I would like to add that a system similar to DA2 where icons appear in the middle of the dialogue wheel to show your character's "tone", and also if the dialogue is flirty or not, would be a great help in avoiding romance traps while still allowing for more subtle, multiple ways for a romance to start.

[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

Hyrule_Gal you've got it! I love how Mordin had a different 'rejection' line each time. And would have liked that for the other squaddies.
And other people's reactions to you and your LI would also be great. Especially in a relationship as 'controversial' as Garrus and Shepard. Fanfic has done this well, but it would be brilliant in game.
And of course, MORE dialogue! A lot of people were put off by Garrus because of his lack of dialogue and constant calibrations.
And like you said, it is the best feedback you can give a character to ask for more dialogue! Hehe.

[YamiSnuffles]

I really don't get why BW screwed Garrus as far as dialogue. Considering he's a squaddie from ME1, you'd figure he'd at least get one more dialogue with Shep. I think it would have been great if they'd added another one about what he'd been up to before Omega. Then, for players coming in for the first time with ME2, they would get more of an idea of who Garrus is. For the rest of us, it would have been great to catch up with him. The discussion about Omega and his squad was nice, but seriously, I kept wanting to talk to him about what he'd done before that. At the very least, it wouldn't have left us all constantly speculating on whether or not he was on the Normandy when it blew. I know it would have been tricky since he could have been paragoned or renegaded, but it's not impossible.

Also, I entirely agree that it would have been nice to get more feedback from others about the romance. Better yet, some feedback from Garrus instead of his pre-suicide run loop dialogue.

[danitiwa]

I hope they squeeze in some meme jokes into ME3. Like I'd freak if Shepard had the option to tease Garrus about the Calibrations thing.
Garrus: Shepard, I need to discuss something..
Shepard: Hang on I think I have some Calibrations to finish.
Garrus: >:I
Shepard:

Also, I don't know if this has happened to anyone else but WOAH DAWG. Dress glitch... Things just got a bit dirtier between Shepard and Garrus than we had assumed.

[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

I too, had that problem with the dress...
When talking to Garrus:

And even worse when talking to Miranda...

And while we are on a screenie spree, have a sweet Garrus.

Liara makes a joke about the calibrations line in LotSB. So Bioware sure have picked up on it, hehe. And I am sure there will be a reference somewhere in ME3.

[danitiwa]

Haven't played LotSB yet, but when I do... What triggers it? Because I'd love to hear it hehe.

Right now I'm playing Overlord for the frist time and wow. I'm only through the first part and it's already really eerie. I like it. I've already watched the ending on youtube, so I kind of know where it's all heading already.
But I love the fact that while you talk to Archer your squad looks for survivors and cleans up the facility.

Though it was kind of weird to see Kasumi dragging a corpse in such a blunt manner... The pulling animation looks funny, it looks more suitable for someone like Mordin.

But mmmmmmmmmmmm, Garrus holding a data pad. I don't know why that turns me on. But it does.

Modifié par danitiwa, 27 février 2011 - 03:47 .

[CroGamer002]

Garrus offended.




WTF, why embedded doesn't work anymore?!

Modifié par Mesina2, 27 février 2011 - 05:05 .

[Shadow_Soul]

@danitiwa
You have to romance Liara, then "cheat" on her with Garrus. You also have to play it after the suicide mission.

@Hyrule_Gal
I agree 100%. Bioware should do every one of those things. I'd like to hear party banter and romance banter...it makes me miss elevators from ME1. T-T

[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

Yeah, I watched it on youtube as I've never romanced Liara.
It is also pretty hot when Garrus gives you the datapad near the end of the Suicide Mission. And his omni-tool! When he 'beams TIM up.'
Nothing beats Mordin illuminating Garrus in a tech-coloured glow though...
Just reread Hyrule_Gal's post, and I love the idea of little extra tidbits with your LI. I bet Garrus secretly has moves to rival techno turian's...
He would be modest about it of course, at first. But give him a few dextro drinks, and his techno boogie moves will be all over the dance floor...
Nice!

[Bugsie]

Hi guys, dropping to post this lovely snap, That Jay posted in Clan V, it just had to be shared. Kim I think you will love this one, in fact I think it would make for an awesome lithograph. By Jocobai on Deviantart

[Null_]

tripple watermark. just to be safe . Awesome pic tho.

[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

Wow! That is totally how I see turian spectres. Sneaky, and with a deadly, sexy professional aura about them. Absolutely loves this. It would be awesome if Shepard and Garrus worked together as Spectres and did espionage missions like this...
*Takes a cold shower*

[Reptilian Rob]

Mesina2 wrote...

Garrus offended.




WTF, why embedded doesn't work anymore?!

I laughed so hard at this, thank you kind sir/madam. :O:O

[Bugsie]

I love this pic - I think because I like the fact they present Saren as a turian who wasn't always a villian, he was a ruthless Spectre first, who's protege, Nihlus, is under his direction.

And yeah triple watermark, hee.

I have a great idea for a DLC for this. One where you could play as a turian, and not necessarily Shepard-centric. But I'll keep that idea for a story instead, heh :-)

[YamiSnuffles]

Tasha vas Nar Rayya wrote...

Wow! That is totally how I see turian spectres. Sneaky, and with a deadly, sexy professional aura about them. Absolutely loves this. It would be awesome if Shepard and Garrus worked together as Spectres and did espionage missions like this...
*Takes a cold shower*

I would love this as a possible ending. Garrus finally gets to be a Spectre and he travels the galaxy kicking bad guy butt. I do want a break for poor Shepard after the end of ME3, but I think taking down lame mercs after Reapers, Collectors, etc. is kind of like avacation for her, haha.

[danitiwa]

Tasha vas Nar Rayya wrote...

Wow! That is totally how I see turian spectres. Sneaky, and with a deadly, sexy professional aura about them. Absolutely loves this. It would be awesome if Shepard and Garrus worked together as Spectres and did espionage missions like this...
*Takes a cold shower*

Turian spectres are the futuristic equivalent of sexy, classy, human movie spies.

I hope Garrus gets to be a Spectre too, but that would be sad because it might kind of pull Shepard and Garrus apart in some way. Either that or she/he can help him after all the Reaper **** is over.

I wonder if Bioware will let us decide on some kind of epilogue after ME3? It would be sort of depressing to just finish ME3 and not know what happens after you take down the reapers.
I'm just sayin'.

[Noir_Skye]

Kim Shepard wrote...


Sometimes, people just don't have all the information. Looking at the first conversation in Garrus' romance alone could give off a friends-with-benefits vibe, but it works for them (they tend to joke a lot with each other, and don't want to lose the friendship if the romance doesn't work out). Later conversations, particularly the final scene, show that Garrus cares a lot for Shepard. Shepard's feelings are determined by the player, but for Garrus, there's clearly a lot of emotion there if people listen to his words and see how crushed he is if Shepard turns him down. I've never watched the scene, but I've looked at screenshots... and the poor guy still says he'll be there for Shepard.
.

I ended things with Garrus because I read somewhere (in a strategy guide I think) that you could not romance Garrus.   That was a tough scene to get through. His words to Shepard spoke volumes.  He cares about her. 

I was a huge fan of his even in ME1.  Now that I know I can romance him, I've gone back and created a new Shepard more suited to having Garrus in my squad constantly.  I'm almost finished with ME1.  This time when I playthrough ME2 I will have something to look forward to before this suicide mission.  Their relationship is so much more than FWB.  They  care about each other flaws and all.

[Kim Shepard]

Buggirl70 wrote...

Hi guys, dropping to post this lovely snap, That Jay posted in Clan V, it just had to be shared. Kim I think you will love this one, in fact I think it would make for an awesome lithograph. By Jocobai on Deviantart

This is awesome! Thanks for posting it. Saren looks adorable, like he's telling Nihlus not to attack yet. And that's an awesome new outfit he has there. It looks like his style.

Noir_Skye wrote...

I ended things with Garrus because I read somewhere (in a strategy guide I think) that you could not romance Garrus.   That was a tough scene to get through. His words to Shepard spoke volumes.  He cares about her. 

I was a huge fan of his even in ME1.  Now that I know I can romance him, I've gone back and created a new Shepard more suited to having Garrus in my squad constantly.  I'm almost finished with ME1.  This time when I playthrough ME2 I will have something to look forward to before this suicide mission.  Their relationship is so much more than FWB.  They  care about each other flaws and all.

Yeah, that's the strategy guide. It says you can flirt with Garrus, but not romance him. It also doesn't mention the fact that Tali's a romance option. Lies, all of them! ): Lucky for me, I trusted the forums and youtube videos more than the guide. At least you can romance him now. The final scene (and the rest of it too) is really adorable.

[sapphyreelf]

Chapter 22 of Persephone Rising is now up, with perhaps some interesting developments.