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[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

Yeah, Saren's cloak thing looks really cool. Really suits him.
And I know it is rare for two spectres to work together, but I think (for me) it would be a really sweet epilogue. Garrus has just been accepted as a spectre, and Shepard is the one who ushers him into the position. The council lets them work together for the most exciting and important missions.
A bit like the DA:O epilogues, where you can decide to go off continuing to adventure with your chosen person.
Edit: Top of the page. Garrus' helmet is soooo good.

Modifié par Tasha vas Nar Rayya, 28 février 2011 - 08:55 .

[CroGamer002]

Reptilian Rob wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

Garrus offended.




WTF, why embedded doesn't work anymore?!

I laughed so hard at this, thank you kind sir/madam. :O:O

Don't thank me, thank the guy who made that.

[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

I've just watched that clip Mesina! Freakin' well brilliant timing to the guy who did that, how ON EARTH did he manage to get the timing absolutely perfect?

[Twilight_Princess]

Garrus getting a spectre title would make the game for me, everything he's done so far has blown up in his face (pun intended) and I just want something to go right for him. The theme of the past two games has been teaching Garrus life lessons and helping him along on his path, first as a mentor and then as a friend. The final game should solidify what he wants (paragon or renegade path) and while shepard is still his BF (possible lover) and commander, I think its best if she doesn't play the teaching role again in the third game.

I chose the paragon route with him, not because I enjoyed getting in the way and giving him cringey lectures (ME1...*groan*) but because I HOPE there’s a nice pay off in the third game. I’ll be very annoyed if I have to stop him from doing what he wants AGAIN just because I’m a paragon. By the third game I expect Garrus to be a paragon by himself without me  having to jump in front of his targets LOL

Modifié par Hyrule_Gal, 28 février 2011 - 10:58 .

[YamiSnuffles]

Hyrule_Gal wrote...
I chose the paragon route with him, not because I enjoyed getting in the way and giving him cringey lectures (ME1...*groan*) but because I HOPE there’s a nice pay off in the third game. I’ll be very annoyed if I have to stop him from doing what he wants AGAIN just because I’m a paragon. By the third game I expect Garrus to be a paragon by himself without me there having to jump in front of his targets LOL

This.

I like that you can help Garrus along a Paragon or Renegade path, but I want to feel like I'm actually having some effect in ME3. I know there were various tiny dialogue differences in ME2 depending on whether you P/R'd him in ME1 but it felt like he was almost entirely the same person either way. Obviously it would be difficult to create a Paragon Garrus and a Renegade Garrus, but if BW is going to give us the ability to teach him, I want pay off! He'd still be Garrus but I'd like at least some indication that he's taken what I've said to heart.

[danitiwa]

It's interesting how Garrus seems more like a teenager/young adult... Or younger than Shepard mentally at least, in the first game and then he grows up a lot in ME2 after the whole Archangel schtick. Maybe it's just because of his physical appearance.
Shepard is more of a mentor figure in ME2. Though they managed to make Garrus' personality transition so smoothly, I barely even thought about it earlier. Then when I replayed I was like- aww he seems so much younger and more innocent when he first joins Shepard. He's a lot more capable in ME2. Thus making him even more attractive.

Yeah I definately hope Bioware make your desicions with Garrus influence his actions. I felt really mean constantly correcting him in ME just to act paragon.

[eshrafel]

From an "in character" point of view I suppose that I actually want Garrus to either be a spectre or have his own team. He's capable enough and deserves it.

On the chance he's up for some more heart-wrenching carnage in ME3, the best payoff for your actions would be if he actually spoke up a bit more as opposed to just accepting whatever Shepard says, particularly on an occasion where perhaps, for example, you were choosing the renegade choice but had pushed him toward the paragon path. A couple pages out of the DAO book would not go amiss here.

ME1 is a tougher decision than ME2 regarding how to deal with Garrus. He's just eager to get a good job done and the first thing you do upon picking the paragon option is basically give him a huge verbal slap in the face. One of those moments where I definitely wish the old phrase-wheel was the old list-picker instead. In subsequent games I usually just avoid that option and urge him on. He's taken a big risk joining up; paragon shep lacks a bit of manners on occasion. Regarding ME2, I could never let Sidonis be killed (I consider the opposing options here to be appropriate to whether you think of Garrus as an ally, or a friend). It really needed more follow up dialogue on the ship afterwards, for Shepard to really explain his actions there. That said, even if you do persuade him to go the paragon route, he will always be fighting against the renegade nature of his heart. That's not necessarily a bad thing, just a fact. 

Modifié par eshrafel, 01 mars 2011 - 01:12 .

[Aeowyn]

Garrus will never be a paragon in my opinion. Sure he will be nice and all, but he'll stay either as a good renegade or a bad renegade. Just can't imagine him as anything else really.

[Kim Shepard]

I agree, Aeowyn. I can see him trying to live by the example Paragon Shepard has shown him, but he's a natural Renegon. Just like the way he has an instinct to protect people, I think he'll always have an instinct towards Renegade-style choices. It's a part of him that I doubt will ever go away even if he tries to take more Paragon actions because when it comes down to making a quick decision during a mission, his natural behavior has a better chance of being his first reaction than the "learned" Paragon behavior. It also says a lot that when he went back to C-Sec after Shepard's encoragement, he still left. He's never going to be the type of guy who likes to follow strict rules, and that's Renegade behavior.

I like the fact that he won't change too much though, that there are certain parts of his character not even Shepard can change. I wouldn't expect him to ever follow the more extreme Renegade beliefs that some of my Shepards have either. He cares about people, and a lot of them... well, they don't. So the way I see it, he'll never be a full Renegade or too much of a Paragon.

[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

Yeah, I can't see Garrus being a paragon, but I know what Hyrule Gal means. Although, in Garrus' case, renegade isn't synonymous with 'evil.' Like Kim said, he just doesn't see the point in following strict rules when it is more efficient to do things your own way.
Like Bioware have said before somewhere, Garrus is your compassionate renegade.

[Kim Shepard]

Yeah, Garrus can be Renegade and one of the good guys at the same time. Just like my EvilShep can choose Paragon options to get himself an army of rachni and geth. xD It works both ways.

[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

Yeah, you can pick paragon options for ulterior motives, and pick renegade options for compassionate reasons. Not everything is black and white, sorry Garrus!
But that is something that makes Shep character development so great.

[magenator]

I kinda want my shepard to go out with a bang, I can't imagine her growing old with her soulmate or something -.- Still if it's like in DA:O where you can choose between dying or doing the ritual I think I would still have to chose the less dramatic living option XD

[Kim Shepard]

Shepard character development is awesome. I doubt mine will ever get to have the "not everything is black and white" talk with Garrus though, because in the two situations his missions involve, they do see it in black and white. "This guy killed/tortured a lot of people and deserves to die" for the first and "this guy is a traitor who caused the death of your squad" for the second. EvilShep, of all people, disapproves of Saleon... and when he disapproves, it means that person has gone over a line that even he won't cross. xD It's kind of funny that with the idea of gray morality in mind for Garrus' missions, my Shepards see them as the most black and white of all.

@magenator: My Shepards definitely won't take the heroic sacrifice route. They're going to be alive and fighting by the end of ME3. That doesn't mean they'll be settling down though. I'd like my FemShep who romances Garrus to travel the galaxy with him as Spectres, breaking the rules and bringing the justice.

[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

My shep will be wanting to continue adventuring with Garrus until she's old and grey. But I doubt an old Shepard will feature in ME3, so I think you will be safe with that! Depends on the epilogue you decide for your Shepard (or a real epilogue, if Bioware are kind enough
And magenator, your sig is full of win. Did you make all them Garrus Vakarian quotes on ffnet?

[YamiSnuffles]

Going back momentarily to the Garrus Paragon/Renegade talk, like I mentioned before, I expect him to always be Garrus. So he'll always be a bit of a hot head, passionate about justice, etc. However, I still don't see why they give Shep the option of leading him down one path or another if it does nothing. I mean, when he said to my Shep in ME1 that he'd learned a lot and would do things the right way and not just the fastest, I was so proud of him.

So, I guess what I'm saying, is I want at least some impact. Let him be either leaning more toward the Renegade side as a Renegon or lean a bit more toward the Paragon side as a Paragade.

[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

Yeah, I would really like Garrus to make a concrete decision or have something directly affected by whether or not he was paragon'ed or renegade'd.
I know the people who play ME3 first will be left out, but there could be a canon choice made so Garrus can be affected by Shepard's teachings.

[Aeowyn]

Tasha vas Nar Rayya wrote...

Yeah, I would really like Garrus to make a concrete decision or have something directly affected by whether or not he was paragon'ed or renegade'd.
I know the people who play ME3 first will be left out, but there could be a canon choice made so Garrus can be affected by Shepard's teachings.

Yeah I'm sorry but that's their own problem if they choose to play a game series with the number THREE in the title....

Modifié par Aeowyn, 01 mars 2011 - 01:29 .

[danitiwa]

Aeowyn wrote...

Tasha vas Nar Rayya wrote...

Yeah, I would really like Garrus to make a concrete decision or have something directly affected by whether or not he was paragon'ed or renegade'd.
I know the people who play ME3 first will be left out, but there could be a canon choice made so Garrus can be affected by Shepard's teachings.

Yeah I'm sorry but that's their own problem if they choose to play a game series with the number THREE in the title....

Exactly, I'm sure they're aware of the risks.

[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

Edit @ Dani: But the priiiiize

And that is why I am so smug at playing the whole series through in the right order.
Speaking of which, I wonder if there are many who romanced Garrus in ME2 without playing ME1 first. That will be even more cool of them if they did.

Modifié par Tasha vas Nar Rayya, 01 mars 2011 - 03:07 .

[YamiSnuffles]

Tasha vas Nar Rayya wrote...

Edit @ Dani: But the priiiiize

And that is why I am so smug at playing the whole series through in the right order.
Speaking of which, I wonder if there are many who romanced Garrus in ME2 without playing ME1 first. That will be even more cool of them if they did.

I really, really hope they don't make ME3 less awesome than it could be just to cater to new players. I mean, why sell faithful fans short just so some random people can jump into the very end of a trilogy without getting confuzzled.

Also, like Tasha said, I would be really interested in knowing how many people romance (or like) Garrus having only played ME2. Since he had hardly any dialogue and the PS3 comic really sells him short (as it does everyone but Liara) there isn't much to go off of. You know, other than the pure awesomeness he exudes.

[AdmiralCheez]

You know what? Right on ME3's box, I want it to say, "Notice: This is the last chapter of a trilogy, and events in-game are affected by player-guided events in Mass Effect 1 and 2. While Mass Effect 3 is perfectly enjoyable as a stand-alone title, for the optimal gaming experience, it is highly recommended that the previous games be played first."

Anyway, taking a brief breather from an unending cycle of studying and nausea (huzzah, seasonal flu), I thought I'd drop an observation I've made regarding my behavior whilst playing the Mass Effect games, especially Mass Effect 2. Normally, I get pretty cranked up about any game that involves me commanding whatever ragtag crew happens to take my fancy (I talk to my Pokémon), but upon my last ME2 run I realized that I actually cared about my crew, to the point where I was absurdly protective and sympathetic towards them. I may be an easy target for this sort of thing, but no game has ever gotten me to feel so deeply attached to its characters, to the point where I can discuss them with my fellow nerds as if they were mutual friends. Bioware has sealed my insanity--I'm nucking futs.

This is most pronounced (TOPIC RELEVANCE) with Garrus, who frustrates me to no end what with his heroic stupidity and battlefield banter, but has somehow wormed his way into my heart. I honestly and truly care about the guy, moreso than any other fictitious character. I've wanted to hug and high-five him on multiple occasions, and just as often I get the irresistible urge to shoot him in the balls. Something about how his character's presented, be it Keener's voice acting (which is pretty smexay), the lines he reads, or the little gestures and twitches the animators stuck in there, makes him seem dangerously close to real.

Bioware, what have you done?

[Homebound]

Garrus needs his own sniper-rifle. I find the cop-sniper suits him the best for some odd reason.

[Shadow_Soul]

I'd like to see the affect that the choices have in ME3.

As for settling down, no way. My main  Shep (despite the fanfic I write for her and Garrus and them living on Bekenstein) would like to continue to blow up merc bases, destroy Mechs with headshots and just cause overall chaos with Garrus. As a Spectre, she rises above the law....and therefore may do whatever the hell she wants with her best friend/lover at her side....mainly if they're both Spectres.

@Admiral Cheez
Trust me, I know. I've been known to yell at the TV screen when my squad dies or doesn't do something right. Adnd I do care for the chacaters as well. Not many games do this to me, but Mass Effect 2 does. It doesn't help that it has awesome characters like Kasumi and Garrus or Jack and Tali.
And I have to agree, he seems more realistic then other characters.

Modifié par Shadow_Soul, 01 mars 2011 - 04:08 .

[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

I too, got ridiculously attached to (most of) the characters in a way that I have only ever been able to do with Bioware games.
And like you, especially with Garrus. Even in ME1. There was just something about his determination, his reckless nature, and also his huge loyalty that made me really care for the damn guy! He is a realistic and incredibly interesting character. And one of the things I love the most about what Bioware have done with Garrus, is that they have created this strict honourable, law abiding turian culture.
And then they make this one turian who completely defies the norm.