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[TheHikariMoon]

I always wondered whether the wine was for Shepard or for him, since they can't share.

[CulturalGeekGirl]

Eradyn wrote...

I hated most of femShep's lines when dealing with Garrus, tbh. At least it wasn't like talking to Jacob, but she did always seem rather...gruff? Short? Hm...not sure what word to use. My first thought to Garrus bringing wine was how sweet he was trying to be. And then I facepalmed with his followup and just about died.

I actually really like his compliment about the supportive waist. It makes me smile every time, because if that's really a turian compliment, I do have a more supportive waist than most turians.

Also, the awkwardness of our interactions was part of their charm. I'll try to find us a top of page Garrus, brb.



Yeah, it's kinda like that.

Modifié par CulturalGeekGirl, 16 avril 2011 - 02:53 .

[Eradyn]

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

Eradyn wrote...

I hated most of femShep's lines when dealing with Garrus, tbh. At least it wasn't like talking to Jacob, but she did always seem rather...gruff? Short? Hm...not sure what word to use. My first thought to Garrus bringing wine was how sweet he was trying to be. And then I facepalmed with his followup and just about died.

I actually really like his compliment about the supportive waist. It makes me smile every time, because if that's really a turian compliment, I do have a more supportive waist than most turians.

Also, the awkwardness of our interactions was part of their charm. I'll try to find us a top of page Garrus, brb.

I actually meant the flux music.

[technoquarian]

HikariMoon- I'm sure it was for Shepard since that's the sort of sweet guy Garr is

[jellobell]

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

I actually really like his compliment about the supportive waist. It makes me smile every time, because if that's really a turian compliment, I do have a more supportive waist than most turians.

I loved that comment as well. Especially since, in the first Mass Effect, whenever I saw Garrus and my Shepard together I would think "Damn, Garrus. Your hips are better than mine." He seems a bit more filled out in ME2, though.

Modifié par jellobell, 16 avril 2011 - 02:40 .

[CulturalGeekGirl]

Eradyn wrote...

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

Eradyn wrote...

I hated most of femShep's lines when dealing with Garrus, tbh. At least it wasn't like talking to Jacob, but she did always seem rather...gruff? Short? Hm...not sure what word to use. My first thought to Garrus bringing wine was how sweet he was trying to be. And then I facepalmed with his followup and just about died.

I actually really like his compliment about the supportive waist. It makes me smile every time, because if that's really a turian compliment, I do have a more supportive waist than most turians.

Also, the awkwardness of our interactions was part of their charm. I'll try to find us a top of page Garrus, brb.

I actually meant the flux music.

Haha, oh god. Yes, that was awful. I literally facepalmed. I kind of wish Shep had facepalmed there too, but it would have been a little too cruel, I think.

[Bugsie]

TheHikariMoon wrote...

I always wondered whether the wine was for Shepard or for him, since they can't share.

My chemistry days are in the dim dark past, but I was thinking that alcohol would be compatible with both levo and dextro species.  The only thing that might not be compatible is the fact the alcohol is distilled from grapes.

[jellobell]

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

Haha, oh god. Yes, that was awful. I literally facepalmed. I kind of wish Shep had facepalmed there too, but it would have been a little too cruel, I think.

Awfully hilarious, you mean. 

It's a great shout-out to those who played ME1 as well. I was discussing the scene with a friend who'd picked up the PS3 version, and she had no idea what I was talking about when I referenced "the Flux song".

[jeweledleah]

eh, I liked the flux song, it adds to the charm of how hard he's trying to impress Shepard - remembering the spot they used to go years ago, I just wish instead of sounding so gruff, she'd say "it will be all right" with the same gentleness as she touches his cheek.

[Sable Rhapsody]

Buggirl70 wrote...

My chemistry days are in the dim dark past, but I was thinking that alcohol would be compatible with both levo and dextro species.  The only thing that might not be compatible is the fact the alcohol is distilled from grapes.

*puts on nerd hat*

Ethanol, which is basically alcohol, is neither an amino acid nor a sugar, and does not have a chirality.  However, wine is made of much more than just ethanol--namely, sugars.  Sugars do have a chirality, and although we know that turians' amino acids are dextro, we don't know anything about the chirality of their sugars.  (Yes, I know, that sounds bad.)  Life on Earth is composed almost entirely of levo amino acids and dextro sugars.  If turian biology also functions off of dextro sugars, wine should be less of a problem.

However, wine does also contain amino acids, though I'm not sure of the relative amounts.  If it's not a lot, and Garrus isn't too terribly allergic, it should be ok.

</nerd>

[jellobell]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

However, wine does also contain amino acids, though I'm not sure of the relative amounts.  If it's not a lot, and Garrus isn't too terribly allergic, it should be ok.

</nerd>

Can't be more than doughnuts. Thanks for the awesome explanation by the way. Alien biology is fascinating.

[Bugsie]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

Buggirl70 wrote...

My chemistry days are in the dim dark past, but I was thinking that alcohol would be compatible with both levo and dextro species.  The only thing that might not be compatible is the fact the alcohol is distilled from grapes.

*puts on nerd hat*

Ethanol, which is basically alcohol, is neither an amino acid nor a sugar, and does not have a chirality.  However, wine is made of much more than just ethanol--namely, sugars.  Sugars do have a chirality, and although we know that turians' amino acids are dextro, we don't know anything about the chirality of their sugars.  (Yes, I know, that sounds bad.)  Life on Earth is composed almost entirely of levo amino acids and dextro sugars.  If turian biology also functions off of dextro sugars, wine should be less of a problem.

However, wine does also contain amino acids, though I'm not sure of the relative amounts.  If it's not a lot, and Garrus isn't too terribly allergic, it should be ok.

</nerd>

Thanks Sable. 

Nerds are awesome.

[Obsydian]

I also facepalmed .... and was embarassed for him.

Just poking in with the WIP of my Shep/Nihlus... Having some trouble with Shep's face. Apparently I draw turian's better than humans now. This is silly to me.

Im also working on a more... nsfw version. 

Modifié par Obsydian, 16 avril 2011 - 03:02 .

[jellobell]

^ Love the facial tattoos on Nihlus. Great work so far.

[Sable Rhapsody]

Buggirl70 wrote...
Thanks Sable. 

Nerds are awesome.

*beams*

That's what I'm here for.  Great science.

Also, uncomfortable TMI whenever you guys ask about alien biology and sex.  That too.

Modifié par Sable Rhapsody, 16 avril 2011 - 03:08 .

[Leonia]

I assume there are alcohols (including wines) that are compatible for both.. there seemed to be a lot of turian-asari couples in the games so surely they would have come up with something that was both levo and dextro-friendly by now.

[CulturalGeekGirl]

leonia42 wrote...

I assume there are alcohols (including wines) that are compatible for both.. there seemed to be a lot of turian-asari couples in the games so surely they would have come up with something that was both levo and dextro-friendly by now.

Well, it's been brough up that certain levo/dextro things pass harmlessly through the body of the incompatible species. So it would probably be possible to make a blended alcohol that affects both.

[jeweledleah]

and then there's Ryncol... I always wondered exactly what was in it. and didn't Turian bartender say something about one of the other drinks to Shepard that it might give him a bellyache unless his dextro.. in which case it would kill him. they seem to be suggesting that some alcohol is definitely incompatible... I guess it depends on additives? now I wonder if Turians could drink vodka... since vodka is basically pure ethanol with water.

edited for the video link

www.youtube.com/watch

Modifié par jeweledleah, 16 avril 2011 - 03:58 .

[CulturalGeekGirl]

jeweledleah wrote...

and then there's Ryncol... I always wondered exactly what was in it. and didn't Turian bartender say something about one of the other drinks to Shepard that it might give him a bellyache unless his dextro.. in which case it would kill him. they seem to be suggesting that some alcohol is definitely incompatible... I guess it depends on additives? now I wonder if Turians could drink vodka... since vodka is basically pure ethanol with water.

I'm guessing it's based on the particular additives involved, yeah.

See... I'm not sure what makes "new" alcohols more potent than earth ones. I mean, why would any strong alien liquor be stronger than 151, or Everclear, or another of our dangerously potent pure alcohols? My guess is an added halucinogen, or another mind-altering substance of some sort. That could be what would kill a Turian, in that particular care.

Like the old theories about wormwood and Absinthe causing hallucinations... though these have recently been shown to probably be inaccurate - it's likely people hallucinating after drinking absinthe had just gotten drunk enough to hallucinate, which is entirely possible. Still, it's easily possible to have another substance in your alcohol that adds another secondary reaction to default drunkeness.

[Obsydian]

jellobell wrote...

^ Love the facial tattoos on Nihlus. Great work so far.

thank you!    His tattoos are HARD.  hot as they are. 

Also, I'm fairly certain that there's no real way to make alcohol anymore potent than it already is. I mean, if you look at somehting like absinth thats nearly pure alcohol..  
However, i believe its been mentioned in the game that there are certain drinks for dextro based people and certain drinks for non... i get the impression they're not really compatible either way. 

[technoquarian]

The crazy liquorice flavor of absinthe is enough to cause hallucinations by itself, LOL!

Perhaps it isn't the alcohols that are different, just what plants and cultures they're brewed from?

[lovgreno]

TheHikariMoon wrote...

I always wondered whether the wine was for Shepard or for him, since they can't share.

Perhaps Garrus was already drunk so he could dare doing it.

[CulturalGeekGirl]

lovgreno wrote...

TheHikariMoon wrote...

I always wondered whether the wine was for Shepard or for him, since they can't share.

Perhaps Garrus was already drunk so he could dare doing it.

Haha, yes. Totally this. Turian pre-gaming for the win.

[Kim Shepard]

So little time on BSN, and I have to spend it in an argument.

technoquarian wrote...

Kim Shepard wrote...
I only said there was nothing in the game to contradict it. That's a long way off from claiming something is canon. And in the long history that I planned out for my MainShep and Saren, I don't think he acts out of character at all.

But there is plenty in the game to contradict it, unless I'm imagining all of those times Saren talks smack about humans.  His opinions throughout "Revelation" regarding humans' galactic standing and their readiness to join the Spectres.  Canon: Saren dislikes humans.  A lot.  Canon: Shepard killed Saren, whether through talking him into suicide or firing the killing shot him/herself.  It makes no sense.  As I have already stated, there is nothing wrong with nonsensical pairings.  The thing that makes me (and some other fans as well) go aldkfa;lkdj is when people insist that their nonsense is, in fact, completely logical.

There's nothing in-game to contradict Shepard liking Saren. There's nothing in-game to show that Saren hates Shepard. He trusts Shepard enough to believe him/her in the end, enough to ask Shepard to join him, and enough that he tries harder to keep himself from killing Shepard than a good friend of his. That's what I meant.

But I'm guessing that Saren x FemShep makes about as much sense to you as Saren x Nihlus does to me.

Nice try.  Bait: not taken. 

And you just assume that was bait? I was making a comparison. There are pairings that don't make sense to me, there are pairings that don't make sense to you, let's not argue about them. There have never been any problems with a difference of opinion here before.

In the end, it's just fans having fun and using their imagination. Don't like the pairing, don't read the fanfiction or look at the fanart. Simple as that.

A bit difficult when almost every post concerning the guy is followed up with something about how your Shep's got a claim on him.  We get it.  In your 'verse, she regards Saren like my dog regards the fire hydrants when I walk him in town.  (That is a joke.)

Don't care if it's a joke, that's insulting.

Kim, what I was complaining about is, if it even applies to you, by no means restricted just to you.  It seems you think you do this stuff-- otherwise, you wouldn't have felt as though it was an attack--  and if you want to get superdefensive, whatever, it's up to you.  However, what I was talking about is something that happens a lot with various antagonists in almost every fandom I'm involved in, and it's extremely frustrating to see.  Somehow, these characters always seem to get undercut by a bunch of mushy. gooey feelings.  I've seen it most frequently with Shepards of both genders, possibly because of the allowance for fanboy/fangirl self-insertion fantasies, although it pervades any and all pairings.  I've even done it myself, although I tend to bury those works at the deepest end of my fic folder!

You assume that the characters in my pairing are "undercut by a bunch of mushy, gooey feelings" without even knowing anything about their story, or that self-insertion characters are involved? Then you assume wrong. I've never played a character as myself, in any videogame. My Shepards are characters that I created to fit in the Mass Effect universe. They all have long histories planned for them because I think it's more interesting that way.

Again, my beef isn't the pairings themselves.  I've read excellent Saren/Shep fics and I've read utter drek.  It's the manipulation of a character to fit into a person's ideal fantasy that is obnoxious.
As for the age-old "don't like, don't read" thing...I could say "Don't like the opinions/critique, don't post it on the internet.  Simple as that."  I'm fully prepared for people to call my characterizations, fic, and so on out on any B.S.; are you?

You've read excellent Saren/Shep fics, which probably didn't "manipulate" the character? And yet you assume that I manipulate the characters, again, when you know nothing about their relationship?

The only "BS" here is so much complaining over a pairing between videogame characters.

Modifié par Kim Shepard, 16 avril 2011 - 07:52 .