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[CroGamer002]

Arcian wrote...

You mean... like this?

[AdmiralCheez]

GodWood wrote...

To me it seems like the perfect society.

If ME didn't have me stuck as a puny human I'd totally be playing a turian supremist.

I'd love to play as a turianbecause, really, you could be a complete loser, but being turian makes you badass automatically.

But really, I don't think we get a fair sampling of Average Joe Turian.  Most of the ones we've met--Garrus, Saren, Kuril, mercenaries--are exceptions to the rule.  A turian mercenary would, by default, be embracing a value system quite different than what is expected of him, and one raised on Omega or the Citadel would have a much more multicultural lifestyle.  We haven't really met many tradtional or mainstream turians, mostly because we've never seen them in their "natural environment."

The same goes for the batarians we've met: Average Joe Batarian isn't permitted to leave Hegemony space.  The only ones we encounter are, therefore, either on government business, criminals, or the children of criminals.

EDIT: I don't think turian society is "perfect."  It works very well for them, sure, but for humans?  Way too easy to abuse power.  Also, not every turian is satisfied with it, hence mercenaries, the (failed) Taetran Revolution, and Garrus Vakarian.

Modifié par AdmiralCheez, 21 avril 2011 - 01:14 .

[Leonia]

Imagine if all the average joe turians were as awesome as Lorik..

Actually, it would be neat to see more variety in turians, especially on Palaven. We never really experience the Hierarchy's influence, not directly really. I have this idea that all turians are individuals but they all make up a great whole.. like, they don't adhere to conformity like we would expect a military society to.

And given how crazy things will be in ME3, what with the invasion and all, there should be lots of opportunities to see how badass that turian miltary is. It's not just something some of them do.. there's no such thing as a turian civilian, after all. It's a way of life for them. There haven't been any major wars (well, minus the civil war on Taetrus) since the FCW so they'll be itching to blow up some Reapers, surely..

EDIT: Definitely wouldn't work for humans, a lot of trust and honour is needed to allow a universal body like the Hierarchy to control nearly every aspect of your life.

Modifié par leonia42, 21 avril 2011 - 01:18 .

[CroGamer002]

^I'd be Geth.

Let's team up!

[eshrafel]

I would certainly explode in a shower of pure happiness should there be an ME version of DAO, so to speak. I find it hard to play anything but human, even if there's an option, but it's okay, I'd only buy turian products and donate to the blue cross, honest!

Still back on ME1. It's good to have happygarrus back. Happy Garrus is happy. And excitable.

[AdmiralCheez]

leonia42 wrote...

Imagine if all the average joe turians were as awesome as Lorik..

I just imagined it.

I think I came a little.

Actually, it would be neat to see more variety in turians, especially on Palaven. We never really experience the Hierarchy's influence, not directly really. I have this idea that all turians are individuals but they all make up a great whole.. like, they don't adhere to conformity like we would expect a military society to.

That's the cool thing about turian society: although you're expected to do your job flawlessly, serve selflessly, and have absolute trust in your leaders, you can basically do whatever the hell you want in your private life/free time.  Seriously, they allow drugs, sex, and gambling on military vessels so long as it doesn't disrupt operation or degrade your performance.  Granted, as soon as you screw up, expect a demotion (or a forced labor camp if you're especially naughty), but a fleet admiral could be a binge-drinking drag queen so long as he was kickass in command and took serving his people seriously.

On a side note, binge-drinking drag queen turian fleet admiral for squadmate and LI.

And given how crazy things will be in ME3, what with the invasion and all, there should be lots of opportunities to see how badass that turian miltary is. It's not just something some of them do.. there's no such thing as a turian civilian, after all. It's a way of life for them. There haven't been any major wars (well, minus the civil war on Taetrus) since the FCW so they'll be itching to blow up some Reapers, surely..

That was my favorite General Partinax quote, "There's no such thing as a turian civilian."  Granted, he was using it as an excuse to bomb hospitals and places of worship, but it was still pretty badass.

We definitely need to see that big nasty fleet in action.  The battle of the Citadel made them look like sissies.  I mean, come on, it's not enough to just say they have the most powerful military force in the galaxy; we need to see that force unleashing hell on Reaper ground troops.  Or, you know, at least nobly holding the line (Kirrahe would approve).

EDIT: Definitely wouldn't work for humans, a lot of trust and honour is needed to allow a universal body like the Hierarchy to control nearly every aspect of your life.

Yeah...  You know, the whole emphasis on authority and working as a community makes me wonder if turians evolved from pack hunters or something.  I mean, looking at their anatomy, it's clear they're carnivores (my, what big teeth/claws you have!), but solitary predators wouldn't have developed a civilization.

[Obsydian]

Ya know, as someone who always wanted to be military and got turned down for stupid reasons.... Turian society sounds amazing. that could just be me though.

And just outta curiousity... anyone heard from Kim lately?  or is that a taboo subject?

Modifié par Obsydian, 21 avril 2011 - 03:52 .

[ciaweth]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

On a side note, binge-drinking drag queen turian fleet admiral for squadmate and LI.

YAS PLZ

Wait

I mean

I, too, would love to know more about turian military customs.

[Kim Shepard]

Obsydian wrote...

And just outta curiousity... anyone heard from Kim lately?  or is that a taboo subject?

I left the forums for a while because no internet community is worth the annoyance.

And then I bought Evolution #4. Poor Saren.

[Leonia]

Aww, we need a "Saren needs hugs" banner now. Actually, he probably wouldn't go for that. But I heard about what happens to him in the 4th issue

[Kim Shepard]

I can't believe Saren had to give the order himself. ): Well, I actually can believe it because I guessed it (minus the explosion), but it was just so sad.

If someone makes "Saren needs hugs" banners, can they be the right size to fit in my sig with the other two Saren banners? And now I just imagined some of my Shepards trying to give him a comfort hug.

Earthborn Ruthless: *Paragon interrupt hug*
Saren: What the...? Get off me, Carson.
Earthborn Ruthless: See, this is why I didn't hug Tali. >_> It's too damn awkward.

[technoquarian]

Hey Kim, there's an "ignore" feature you can use if you're not willing or able to stop being snide and put things behind you

Anyway, I'm curious: How did the events of Evolution translate into vengeance against humanity? Now that it's complete, I should read them all back to back and in order, but if I'm remembering correctly, it was the turians who located the Reaper tech and Desolas who'd planned to move it back to Palaven.

Poor Saren. He used to be such a cooperative guy. I wonder if, for those who read Revelation and found that they had no sympathy for him anymore, reading Evolution might sway them a bit more towards neutral ground?

I might have to make those banners Leonia suggested...

[Kim Shepard]

And you could just not insult people/characters so they wouldn't have to ignore you...

Anyway, I consider Ben the one who killed Desolas, even though Saren was the one who ordered the temple to be destroyed. Ben threw Desolas into the monolith, and that would kill who he used to be anyway. But Saren doesn't appear to hate all humans. Remember, that was speculation by Anderson. I saw a quote in another thread that described it well, how Saren hates the power that humanity is getting so quickly and that turians were forced to pay reparations for a war that he believes humanity is at fault for. It fits with the end of Revelation, where he shows resentment towards both the Alliance and the Council. A lot of his ideas also seem to come from Desolas. He basically became his brother by ME1.

[Sable Rhapsody]

Hey, guys, easy on the sniping. It's just the Internets. Look at shirtless turians instead!

[mireisen]

Hi board. I started a new ME game and plopped a helmet on Garrus.



Which immediately made me go "AWWWW" because it reminded me of this:

http://www.geekologi.../14/link cat.jp

[Kim Shepard]

Garrus with light armor helmets is adorable. And that's one of the armors I like best for him too (because it has blue).

Sable, have you read the last Evolution comic yet? I'm curious if Saren is more sympathetic now that it's showed him sad and devastated, or less now that it showed what happens in the end.

[technoquarian]

Get over it. Seriously. Life's a whole lot easier if you don't wander around with a complex that everyone's out to insult you and/or ruin your day. It might also be a bit nicer for you if you pay attention to what people say rather than trying to make drama out of nothing, hm?

You and I have disagreed over the extent of his dislike for humans, so I'm not going to even try and debate that point with you, since we're not going to agree. Where I do agree with you is that he hates the power that humanity's getting, especially in conjunction with the reparations. What you say about Ben makes sense, too.

Still, I can't help feeling like Saren's indoctrination began with the end of Evolution...

[technoquarian]

mireisen wrote...

Hi board. I started a new ME game and plopped a helmet on Garrus.



Which immediately made me go "AWWWW" because it reminded me of this:

http://www.geekologi.../14/link cat.jp

Link Kitteh is adorable!  That pic also reminds me of Limecat:

[Twilight_Princess]

oh god I was just thinking of lime cat when I looked at Garrus *is laughing* Can someone photoshop the lime helmet onto garrus please!

Modifié par Hyrule_Gal, 21 avril 2011 - 07:40 .

[AdmiralCheez]

Putting a helmet on Garrus is even more entertaining if it's Liberator (I think) or Phoenix armor, although sometimes it can be hard to choose between Bumblebee Garrus and Sugarplum Garrus.

I should really stop embarrassing the poor guy.

[Kim Shepard]

@technoquarian: Making disgusting jokes about my Shepard and calling my ideas nonsense isn't supposed to be insulting?  I was right to leave BSN. It's not worth the annoyance or the time.

On-topic, Saren might have avoided any effects from the monolith because he reached out to his brother instead of jumping right in like TIM did, or Shepard with the Prothean beacon. There was no blue glow around him the way there was with TIM, but then again, Desolas' appearance wasn't changed either, even though it was obvious that his mind was changed by it. If the control was too strong though, he couldn't have let the temple be destroyed.

[Sable Rhapsody]

Kim Shepard wrote...

Garrus with light armor helmets is adorable. And that's one of the armors I like best for him too (because it has blue).

Sable, have you read the last Evolution comic yet? I'm curious if Saren is more sympathetic now that it's showed him sad and devastated, or less now that it showed what happens in the end.

No, I haven't read it, but I know the spoilers for what happens.

Weirdly enough, I think my Shepard has more sympathy for Saren than I do.  She's all about sacrificing what you personally want for the greater good.  She's all about doing not what's right, or what's moral, but what's BEST for everyone.  That was Saren's motivation, even though it got horribly twisted by ME1.  

The problem for me as a player is that operating on that sort of utilitarian logic only gets you points as long as you're ACTUALLY doing what's best.  In Evolution?  Yes, I do sympathize a lot with Saren.  But by ME1, he's changed quite a bit, to the point where his crazy over Sovereign and his hatred of humanity have completely consumed the qualities about him that I personally found sympathetic.

Honestly, if you want to draw DA and ME character parallels, it's better to draw them between Anders and Saren than between Anders and Garrus.  You see both characters change dramatically; Anders as a result of what happened with Justice, Saren as a result of both Sovereign's influence and his own hand in Desolas's death.  I think the reason why I find Anders still sympathetic throughout his character arc and Saren only sympathetic at the beginning is because Anders retains pieces of his most positive traits, even when he's at his worst.  Saren seems to have completely lost himself by ME1.  

Do I think it makes for great tragedy to have a character consumed completely like Saren?  Yes.  Do I think it makes the character sympathetic throughout their entire arc?  No.

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[Eradyn]

Garrus in light armor + helmet = Cat in Sleeve

[Kim Shepard]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

No, I haven't read it, but I know the spoilers for what happens.

Weirdly enough, I think my Shepard has more sympathy for Saren than I do.  She's all about sacrificing what you personally want for the greater good.  She's all about doing not what's right, or what's moral, but what's BEST for everyone.  That was Saren's motivation, even though it got horribly twisted by ME1.  

The problem for me as a player is that operating on that sort of utilitarian logic only gets you points as long as you're ACTUALLY doing what's best.  In Evolution?  Yes, I do sympathize a lot with Saren.  But by ME1, he's changed quite a bit, to the point where his crazy over Sovereign and his hatred of humanity have completely consumed the qualities about him that I personally found sympathetic.

Honestly, if you want to draw DA and ME character parallels, it's better to draw them between Anders and Saren than between Anders and Garrus.  You see both characters change dramatically; Anders as a result of what happened with Justice, Saren as a result of both Sovereign's influence and his own hand in Desolas's death.  I think the reason why I find Anders still sympathetic throughout his character arc and Saren only sympathetic at the beginning is because Anders retains pieces of his most positive traits, even when he's at his worst.  Saren seems to have completely lost himself by ME1.  

Do I think it makes for great tragedy to have a character consumed completely like Saren?  Yes.  Do I think it makes the character sympathetic throughout their entire arc?  No.

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I like this essay. Glad I got to read it just in time before I left.

I agree with the Saren and Anders comparison. Now they have another thing in common, the explosion.