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[Obsydian]

I never liked Ash all that much. She was too ****y for me... and too racist. I would be alright with being taken over by the Hierarchy. They couldn't do much worse than the US government is. In fact, they'd probably improve it.
I'm not impressed with US politics. could ya tell?

so its not Garrus, but its my commision from YamiSnuffles.  She's awesome.  so I must pimp her art out. 

Modifié par Obsydian, 22 avril 2011 - 04:14 .

[Zen]

Lol I suppose she's better than Grunt's "I HATE TURIANS! "

[jellobell]

Obsydian wrote...

I never liked Ash all that much. She was too ****y for me... and too racist. I would be alright with being taken over by the Hierarchy. They couldn't do much worse than the US government is. In fact, they'd probably improve it.
I'm not impressed with US politics. could ya tell?

Naw...really? 

I didn't really like Ash at first (I was firmly in the pro-alien camp) but once you figure out why she doesn't like them, it's hard to blame her, and she realizes her prejudices are a fault. She also felt like the best "buddy" character for my Femshep. I never really noticed Tali in ME1, Garrus was my secret crush, Wrex was more of a battle-buddy, and Liara hit on me too much. Ash was someone I felt I could have "girl talk" with, then segue into discussing favourite gun manufacturers.

Modifié par jellobell, 22 avril 2011 - 04:18 .

[atraxia]

Ash is alrite; I liked her better than Kaidan. She is racist, but it's interesting to see crewmates have different opinions from Shepard. Anyways.

Imagine that the humans became a client race by the turians post-First Contact War. What do you think a human society run by turians would be like? I kinda wonder if they're all for paperwork like C-sec, considering that that the turians were the ones who found it in the first place.

Modifié par atraxia, 22 avril 2011 - 04:19 .

[Zen]

If I could have headcanon in the game, Garrus and my femshep would have an awkwardly adorable relationship and Wrex would be the gruff uncle who cracks wise and drinks copious amounts of exotic alcohols and is always busting Garrus's chops but secretly likes him.

:>

Human society run by Turians? Would probably be very republican. What the romans used to have before socialism kicked in. What we should have.

Modifié par ZenX, 22 avril 2011 - 04:21 .

[Obsydian]

atraxia wrote...

Ash is alrite; I liked her better than Kaidan. She is racist, but it's interesting to see crewmates have different opinions from Shepard. Anyways.

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No, I do agree with you....  and I respect her for it.... but I don't agree.  Its like with Merrill and Anders in DA.  I am glad they have their own opinions...  but i dont agree. 


Also, I like that headcanon, ZenX

[mireisen]

jellobell wrote...

I didn't really like Ash at first (I was firmly in the pro-alien camp) but once you figure out why she doesn't like them, it's hard to blame her, and she realizes her prejudices are a fault. She also felt like the best "buddy" character for my Femshep. I never really noticed Tali in ME1, Garrus was my secret crush, Wrex was more of a battle-buddy, and Liara hit on me too much. Ash was someone I felt I could have "girl talk" with, then segue into discussing favourite gun manufacturers.

I think Ash pulled my FemShep in once they had that talk about a former CO, some bootcamp guy. Veronika gave her the most genuine smile and I really think it was the first smile I've seen a Shep do. I love Ash now.



Tali is definitely cute but I too didn't find her that interesting. At first I thought her interesting because that turian was feeling her up...so I thought, "Whoa, first interspecies touching?!" I also didn't use her much in party either. My party in ME1 was all about Ash and Garrus. Ash is a BEAST.

Modifié par mireisen, 22 avril 2011 - 01:03 .

[AdmiralCheez]

Didn't really get into Ashley because she reminded me too much of my best friend in real life.

Didn't really get into Kaidan because he kept getting "mixed signals."

Didn't really get into Liara because the repeated dialogue annoyed me.

Didn't really get into Tali because she was a bit of a walking codex entry.

Wrex and Garrus? Bros4life.

Anyway, after giving ME1 another try or two, I'm starting to get to know the characters better and I like them a lot more. Same thing with ME2. I love everyone now.

[Obsydian]

Hells yes, Wrex. Love Wrex.

Yeah, I just did the same, Admiral. I understand them better... and especially adding the knowledge from ME2 in, it helps.

Now, here's a mechanics question. For some reason, Garrus is broken in my current game. Every time we start fighting things, he's using an assault rifle... not his sniper rifle. Is there a way to change the default for him? so I dont have to go in and remind him that he's a sniper?

[kglaser]

Obsydian, are you talking about ME1 or 2?  Because I thought that in ME1, the assault rifle was his default actually...am I remembering this wrong?  /uncertain

[Obsydian]

kglaser wrote...

Obsydian, are you talking about ME1 or 2?  Because I thought that in ME1, the assault rifle was his default actually...am I remembering this wrong?  /uncertain

I think you're right about 1...   in 1, you could give him levels of sniper. 
i'm playing through 2 right now.  ....

[Bugsie]

jellobell wrote...

Well it depends what part of the Mesquite you're talking about. The wood is used for smoking and barbecue. However the bean pods, when ground, have a sweet, nutty flavour.

So mesquite is a tree?  Or is it a shrub?

Whenever I think pods, I think vanilla, real vanilla has a fantastic smell and tastes divine.

/should stop being lazy and wiki the answer.

Modifié par Buggirl70, 22 avril 2011 - 04:52 .

[jellobell]

ZenX wrote...

If I could have headcanon in the game, Garrus and my femshep would have an awkwardly adorable relationship and Wrex would be the gruff uncle who cracks wise and drinks copious amounts of exotic alcohols and is always busting Garrus's chops but secretly likes him.

Get out of my head! Seriously, that's exactly what I fantasized about in ME1. 

@mireisen: That's exactly the scene where I started liking Ash. It reminded me that Shepard was a person with her own history and experiences, which is what I like so much about the character. The Boot Camp story was a great moment because it fleshed out both Shepard's and Ash's histories.

Wrex and Garrus were my team 90% of the time, but I switched out Wrex for Ash sometimes on my second playthrough. If we were given the chance to randomly socialize with our squaddies, I'd want to take the old crew out to a bar or something to catch up.

Speaking of which, I wonder what Ash and/or Wrex would think of Shep and Garrus' relationship? I figure Wrex would laugh and be sarcastic, or play up the "world-weary old man shaking his head at those damn kids" schtick, while secretly being pleased.

Ash I'm less sure about, but I think she knows both Shep and Garrus well enough to be happy for them as well, while still subjecting her skipper to some light-hearted ribbing.

Modifié par jellobell, 22 avril 2011 - 05:00 .

[jellobell]

Buggirl70 wrote...

jellobell wrote...

Well it depends what part of the Mesquite you're talking about. The wood is used for smoking and barbecue. However the bean pods, when ground, have a sweet, nutty flavour.

So mesquite is a tree?  Or is it a shrub?

Whenever I think pods, I think vanilla, real vanilla has a fantastic smell and tastes divine.

/should stop being lazy and wiki the answer.

This is a Mesquite:


So, a bit of both I guess.

Modifié par jellobell, 22 avril 2011 - 04:56 .

[CulturalGeekGirl]

Obsydian wrote...

I never liked Ash all that much. She was too ****y for me... and too racist. I would be alright with being taken over by the Hierarchy. They couldn't do much worse than the US government is. In fact, they'd probably improve it.
I'm not impressed with US politics. could ya tell?

I don't want to get into real life politics here (oh please please let's not. not ever.) Let's keep this nice and... theoretical. Yeah. Mmmhmm. You know how I like it... with as few modern real-world analogues as possible.

That said, the Turian Hierarchy seems to, in some ways, embody the political concept of the military-indusrial complex. Their economy and society seem centrally focused on building war engines, going to war, and preparing for war. They honor few other contributions to society in the same way that they honor military and public service, which is fine in some ways but bad in others. It discourages certain kinds of creativity and innovation, for one. I think this is one of the reasons that Turian art is largely unknown outside their home worlds, and that they seem to have little media presence. It's also a reason that they spent centuries in bloody civil war, and still bear the markings of that war a millennium later (in some ways their warpaint is the equivalent of a flying a rebel flag... on your face.) The start of the first contact war makes me question their cultural superiority - from what I've read, they opened fire before attempting to communicate, something I'd like to think we would have done differently. I'm sure the Salarians and the Asari would have, and I find the Asari very annoying.

(If I had to assimilate into the society of one council race, it's be the Salarians - sorry, Turian thread bros. A race of hyperactive, intensely curious science nerds? Yes please. I think I am already in you.)

People keep comparing Turian culture to ancient Rome, and I think that's sort of a false equivalency. It has some of the same aspects, but ancient Rome put a lot of focus on personal expression and personal glory. Ancient China is a lot closer - with its ultra-prestigious and honorable public service positions, and a huge emphasis on the concept of in-group obligations. It's actually cannon that some Turians have started to practice Confucianism and Zen Budhism, and the Hierarchy seems to have more in common with the Chinese Bureacracy than the Roman Senate. I think humanity would eventually chafe under such structures, and ultimately revolt. Revolution is one of the main things we're good at, after all.

I do envy the Turians their widespread animism and pantheism. Those are like, totally my favorite religious concepts, and they're very useful for maintaining a spirituality in a highly-advanced technological society. But everything else seems to much like ancient China, and as a scholar of East Asian Studies, I have seen the seams of that structure. It's a good structure, a fun one, and one upon which some of the most ancient surviving scholarship and traditions are built, but I don't think it's the best.

Modifié par CulturalGeekGirl, 22 avril 2011 - 05:08 .

[Bugsie]

Thanks jellobell!

Now my inner nerd needs to know the ecology behind this mesquite. /goes to the interwebz.

We might (I'm hoping) that we get more interparty banter in ME3, then we might find out what people think of various LI combos, and that might differ depending on if you had a LI from ME1 (like Liara's reaction if you are romancing someone in ME2 after having romanced her in ME1)

I wonder how Kaidan would react if you are romancing Garrus for instance?

[Leonia]

Doing a catch-up post..

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

This is kinda where I'm at too, Cheez. I'm preparing an essay about the Turian Hierarchy and Feudal Japan, which, if completed, will totally validate my otherwise unused Psych/East Asian Studies education.

So want to read that when it's ready.

@Obsydian: Love the artwork, great detail-work. And the comission looks good too! Aww, Nihlus is so pretty.. I think it's the contrast between his eyes and carapace, plus the white markings really stand out.

@Cheez: Totally want to see all of those turians, especially Lorik and Solana (I always assumed the LotsB dossiers were hints at things that would come up in ME3). Let us just hope female turians come with fringe (as opposed to the comic variant). I won't hold my breath for General Parthinax due but hey Vasir used to be a CDN character so there's always the possiblity. I expect him to have an epic, deep voice.

mireisen wrote...

Why is it that all my BW LIS have sisters? Alistair has a sister...Fenris has a sister...I haven't played
LotSB, but I saw the codexes for Solana.

Must be something about having a family that makes them attractive to my characters.

Oh yeah, definitely another one of his more attractive features. No Shepard seems to have a normal family life (even colonists seem a bit unusual) so the idea of seeing Garrus interacting with his relatively normal family is really attractive. I'd like to see it, from a cultural point-of-view, but also because it shows that despite the other headaches in his life, Garrus had a normal and healthy upbringing unlike the vast majority of Shepard's ME2 squad. I wonder what they would think of Shepard and what she would think of them. It might help cheer Garrus up a bit to be reminded of where he comes from and some of his fonder memories earlier in life. Maybe part of the appeal for me, IRL, is due to living so far away from my own family (I'm in Australia, they're in the US) and not having a strong connection of my own so it's easy to get in-character as a Shepard who would like to see what it's like to have loving parents and a siblings.

@Kim: It's really good to see you around, just ignore anything that sems argumentative and move on. We really appreciate your cheery personalaity around here. I know the ignore function doesn't block out posts (it only prevents people from sending you PMs and the like) but you don't have to give up on everything because of a disagreement.

And now switching gears a bit..

Regarding forum stability: Yeah, things were a bit nasty leading up to and just after DA2 release (things are still nasty in that area of the forum, actually) and I expect things will be the same as we get closer to ME3. It's a shame, I made a thread discussing morality a few days ago and tried to end it with "let's just respect each other for playing the game differently and keep that in mind when we debate things" but I think it got mostly ignored. It's a shame because there are some interesting topics around here and people have some very different ideas and interpretations to discuss but you can see all the bias the moment someone puts a "I support x" banner in their signature. Conversations get bogged down in "my way is the only way" and "My favourite character/romance/plot point is better than your favourite". Silly stuff really.

When things started to head south with DA2, a bunch of forumites of a like mind (not necessarly with the same viewpoints, but all tired of being drowned out by the chaos and complaining and rampant raging) started to hang out in a group (then we found out how clunky groups were on the forums for real-time communication) and later branched off into starting an off-the-forums sort of hang out where we could discuss the game without the headaches. This turned into using a livestream channel on a day-to-day basis where the group sort of branched away from strictly talking about the BSN to all sorts of other things and became sort of a sanctuary.

I'm not sure if my fellow Garrus fans would want to do something similar (and there is Clan V which I keep forgetting to check) but if you're interested in such a thing, then "let's cooperate" and make it happen. We can still of course continue to update this thread with favourite fanarts and the like but it might be nice to have an alternate place to go for discussion. Just an idea.

Modifié par leonia42, 22 avril 2011 - 05:27 .

[jellobell]

Buggirl70 wrote...
I wonder how Kaidan would react if you are romancing Garrus for instance?

And that is the million-dollar question. CGG's done a lot of soul-searching on that particular topic.

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

 But everything else seems to much like ancient China, and as a scholar of East Asian Studies, I have seen the seams of that structure. It's a good structure, a fun one, and one upon which some of the most ancient surviving scholarship and traditions are built, but I don't think it's the best.

I swear I saw a quote (from way back when ME1 was first released) where one of the BW writers said that the Turian culture was conceived as a mix of Ancient Rome and Japan.

[Zen]

Hm, so the concept of a triumvirate with shogun honor system, with a splash of republicanism in the sense of jurisdiction? Or should I go to bed and stop thinking on a tired brain lol.

[Obsydian]

Thanks leona. Nihlus is rediculously pretty.

Also.. I'd be up for that sort of hang out thing. There'd have to be some time coordination, as its currently 1am here, and I'll be off to bed in a bit. *stupid timezones.* but hells yes. keep me posted. I think that all of you are fantastic people, and if I'm honest, this has kinda become my sanctuary against the crappiness of RL for right now. I really don't want that to change. Seriously.

Also, CCG I'm totally not up for a political debate. in fact, I rather hate politics. So yeah, i'm all for keeping this theoretical and fun. I agree that the turian culture seems to really be militaristic. I like that though. See, I think that's one of the best ways for advancement. If you look at human accomplishments... the majority of our greatest inventions were created through war or because of conflict. Of course, I suppose thats somewhat subjective. But still.
I kind of have an affinity for the military lifestyle. My boy is army... and I really wanted to be. *kicks stupid military processing* And Iv'e always had respect for it. So.... yeah.

[CulturalGeekGirl]

jellobell wrote...

Buggirl70 wrote...
I wonder how Kaidan would react if you are romancing Garrus for instance?

And that is the million-dollar question. CGG's done a lot of soul-searching on that particular topic.

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

 But everything else seems to much like ancient China, and as a scholar of East Asian Studies, I have seen the seams of that structure. It's a good structure, a fun one, and one upon which some of the most ancient surviving scholarship and traditions are built, but I don't think it's the best.

I swear I saw a quote (from way back when ME1 was first released) where one of the BW writers said that the Turian culture was conceived as a mix of Ancient Rome and Japan.

Well, seeing as a lot of ancient Japan is basically crib notes from ancient China with scarcity of land, bushido, and Shintoism thrown in... that doesn't seem too unlikely. I bring up China because there seems to be a lot of Bureacracy inherent in the Turian system, and when I think "historical bureaucratic and public-service focused societies" China comes up first on my list. I was primarily a student of Japanese culture - took related courses for four years in college, lived there for a year after, but you can't escape the historical influence of China. Chinese history is a lot less familiar than Japanese, because of the exportation of art and pop culture from Japan... something that the Turians explicitly lack! 

I'd like to get some more solid facts about Turian women in general, though, because Ancient Rome and Historical Japan were all about civlizing things up at the cost of a centuries-old legacy of relatively powerful women*.

*Footnote: possibly. There's a lot of debate over this subject in relation to the pre-history of ancient Greece, but we have some pretty good evidence of a strong role for females in tribal Japan, before the widespread introduction of Confucianism.

Modifié par CulturalGeekGirl, 22 avril 2011 - 05:34 .

[jellobell]

ZenX wrote...

Hm, so the concept of a triumvirate with shogun honor system, with a splash of republicanism in the sense of jurisdiction? Or should I go to bed and stop thinking on a tired brain lol.

That sounds about right. With the iron-clad sense of duty the Turians have, a triumvirate-ish leadership structure would probably work better than it did for the Romans. 

I'd also be up for a separate hangout (though I've still got exams until next week). I'm on EST, so it's about 1:30 here.

[Leonia]

Buggirl70 wrote...

I wonder how Kaidan would react if you are romancing Garrus for instance?

Heh, that's one that I keep coming up with different dialogue for but mostly it starts out with..

Shepard: So.. Kaidan, good to see you again. 
Kaidan: Yeah! Totally. Hey is there any chance we could get back together at some point?
Shepard: Um, I'm seeing someone else now..
Kaidan: Oh. Anyone I know?
Shepard: Actually, yes. It's Garrus.
Kaidan: Nice one, you must have gotten a sense of humour after all this time. But seriously, who is it?
Shepard: I'm not joking.
Kaidan: What?! No way. You chose some alien over me? What does he have that I don't? Look at the teeth, how do you even.. no wait don't answer that..I mean, wow, I could understand another human but this is a bit harder to get my head wrapped around.
Shepard: Wasn't it you who said something about all species are equal, all having their sinners and saints?
Kaidan: ...

[Chimervera]

Shinobu wrote...

I don't know if the OP is stil updating, but can I add JediElderNishmo's Boulevard of Broken Dreams to the Garrus fan vid list?


It's one of my favorites, along with silentstephi's Life in the 22nd Century and solidfalcon77's Broken Soldiers (already on the list). I've been visiting the three of them daily for the past 3 weeks!

Can I also add my own vid? Garrus & Shepard: Friends in a Time of Dying

Hi Shinobu! I still update the OP whenever I get the time, but because the last time I did so it messed up all the colours I've been waiting until I have several hours free in case it does it again. I've added those vids to my "to add" list!
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And related to what Leonia brought up about an off-site hangout, I've been thinking of creating an IRC channel. Someone mentioned it a while back and the idea stuck with me. Thoughts?

[CulturalGeekGirl]

leonia42 wrote...

Buggirl70 wrote...

I wonder how Kaidan would react if you are romancing Garrus for instance?

Heh, that's one that I keep coming up with different dialogue for but mostly it starts out with..

Shepard: So.. Kaidan, good to see you again. 
Kaidan: Yeah! Totally. Hey is there any chance we could get back together at some point?
Shepard: Um, I'm seeing someone else now..
Kaidan: Oh. Anyone I know?
Shepard: Actually, yes. It's Garrus.
Kaidan: Nice one, you must have gotten a sense of humour after all this time. But seriously, who is it?
Shepard: I'm not joking.
Kaidan: What?! No way. You chose some alien over me? What does he have that I don't? Look at the teeth, how do you even.. no wait don't answer that..I mean, wow, I could understand another human but this is a bit harder to get my head wrapped around.
Shepard: Wasn't it you who said something about all species are equal, all having their sinners and saints?
Kaidan: ...

Kaidan: Ok, now I hate Turians.