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Well the alternative is they think we're all weird and we just get a head bump as fan service because they are too grossed out to do anything more. Posted Image Posted Image

I would be okay with that as long as we get more Garrus.


I'm just happy they said there would be more squad interaction. I was disappointed with the DLC because no one in my squad talked. It felt odd... Like in overlord when Shepard gets separated from the team Garrus ran and banged on the door in complete silence. It was really noticeable to me as the squad banter is one of my favourite parts. That's why I loved Battlefield Bad Company. Posted Image

I don't really care about sex as such, just how the relationships progress.

And I still feel like a complete and utter b**** for not coming onto Thane. That guy is really into you, you can tell even if you don't romance him. And he called me siha, said he'd tell me what it meant sometime and I told him to concentrate on his son... so he never told me. Posted Image I actually feel bad for him that my Shepard is with Garrus...

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I really hope something greater in ME3. Ok, I'm not asking for a hot scene, being pushed against a wall, or in the shower (I wouldn't complain about that, though), but I want some proof about the romance.

If Shepard is in a relationship with someone, it must be noticed. If you remember NWN - HotU, after you romanced Valen, every time you talked to him, he answered "yes, my love?". I'm not asking exactly for that (my Garrus would never answer in that way), but I think I made my point.

Come on, everyone in the ship knows about their relationship: Kasumi and her gossip, Mordin and his advices… Please, BW, make it REAL. Sharing looks, some innocent touching, maybe some hug… everyone gets hugs but Garrus!!!

We aren't horny fans who want porn, only an actual relationship.

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Do you think they would develop nicknames for each other? I guess Thane has his name for Shepard and Kasumi calls her Shep but what would Garrus call her?

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Bolboreta wrote...

I really hope something greater in ME3. Ok, I'm not asking for a hot scene, being pushed against a wall, or in the shower (I wouldn't complain about that, though), but I want some proof about the romance.

If Shepard is in a relationship with someone, it must be noticed. If you remember NWN - HotU, after you romanced Valen, every time you talked to him, he answered "yes, my love?". I'm not asking exactly for that (my Garrus would never answer in that way), but I think I made my point.

Come on, everyone in the ship knows about their relationship: Kasumi and her gossip, Mordin and his advices… Please, BW, make it REAL. Sharing looks, some innocent touching, maybe some hug… everyone gets hugs but Garrus!!!

We aren't horny fans who want porn, only an actual relationship.


That's very true, but as someone who has only just dipped her big toe into the fandom to test the temperature (bad metaphor?) that's not the first impression you get. Searching for Mass Effect on deviant art is a scary thing. If you type Garrus into Google image search be careful if you get past page ten. See what I'm getting at? It may not be what people want, but it doesn't come across that way, especially to Bioware it seems.

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Do you think they would develop nicknames for each other? I guess Thane has his name for Shepard and Kasumi calls her Shep but what would Garrus call her?


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His love is built on respect and admiration. Remember the turians are a very regimented and military race. If he were to call her anything else it would only ever be in private.

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@Leonia, I think my Shep will always call him Garrus. The "honey, sweetie, babe" stuff doesn't match with her.

@Voice, I know that. Doing some searches is a very scary thing, yes. Most times I start yelling "how can I unsee thaaaaaat?". But I blame Bioware for that. I loved the headbump, I found it touching and sweet, but I think everyone expected something else, so... they started the fanfics >.<

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lovgreno wrote...

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Poor BW guys, they're scared of the fangirls... 

You are not acting like they think their potential female costumers should act like, of course they are afraid of you. It must be confusing and frustrating for the developers to see that dinoboy Garrus are still more popular than their carefully created fangirl baits Jacob and Thane. Nothing wrong with Thane, Jacob or their fans of course.




It is quite funny isn't it XD "these abs will entice them surely!" It's been said before that the reason gar is liked so much was because he WASN'T created as an LI in mind, so he was a fully developed character first and foremost. All his traits were not based on whether or not the ladies would like them, so all the positive qualities that he has are there for their own merits, not as a means to attract. And that’s what ironically made him even more attractive.

The romance just acts as an addition to his character and not a central point, which is more telling with the others.  bioware is cool and I think they now accept the garrus thing more than they did before , the ME2 popularity must have helped cement that at least. Before ME2 I think it was them throwing us a friendly bone,  and the romance was presented as something amusing because hey most of us were probably going to go for Jacob and thane anyway right? 

 Basically the response tells them that they need to give the shep/gar pairing the proper attention it deserves next time around, it’s no longer speculation that we MIGHT like the pairing, now it’s official that lots of us do, numbers don’t lie.

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leonia42 wrote...

Do you think they would develop nicknames for each other? I guess Thane has his name for Shepard and Kasumi calls her Shep but what would Garrus call her?


Kiss kiss bang bang

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leonia42 wrote...

Do you think they would develop nicknames for each other? I guess Thane has his name for Shepard and Kasumi calls her Shep but what would Garrus call her?

Eh, I'm not big on cutesy nicknames, I'd prefer Garrus didn't do that. I actually like him calling Shepard by her surname for some reason. For some of the other LIs it seems weird, but for Garrus... I don't know, it just seems right. It almost sounds like a pet name on its own the way he says it.

Regarding all of the porny Garrus images: I think maybe it's an overcompensation, an attempt to prove that Garrus is sexy, because how often we hear belittling comments about how he's an ugly scarfaced bird-lizard.

Although some pictures have him shirtless or otherwise unclothed for the same reason there are a million different fanarts of Tali's face. We want to know what's under there, darnit!

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All fandom has it's crowd of people who take things a bit too far, they are usually a minority though and ultimately harmless. The Devs will do with their characters as they please, fan feedback helps but characters aren't built on fanservice alone. I'm not worried about how Bioware will handle the romance, I'm just worried that they won't do enough.

In ME2, the Garrus romance pretty much starts when it ends, unlike the others which feel like ongoing relationships throughout the game. I'm not sure if Bioware recognises this problem (or even thinks of it as a problem) and with nine love-interests to juggle in ME3.. it's going to be hard to give everyone equal treatment. Some of us haven't been getting equal treatment already (the VS fans barely got to see the VS in ME2, the Liara fans are the most spoiled, etc.) so hopefully they will be able to devote enough resources to each LI (including Garrus).

I don't think the pair of them would say anything cliche, every time I think of either Shepard or Garrus saying the l word it never quite sounds right. They wouldn't openly flaunt their affection for one another, especially Garrus who wanted to keep things quiet in ME2. Maybe that will change a bit as his confidence comes back but I can't see either of them putting their relationship at the forefront. They have a mission and a job to do, saving the galaxy is the number one priority.

But a few touches and nuzzles along the way would be nice, it would feel more realistic then hearing "Oh I love you!" all the time.

And yeah, I am not too big on nicknames either. Even when he refers to Shepard as "commander" there's a certain.. familiarity in how he addresses her that it feels like a nickname all its own. Hopefully it stays that way.

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Yeah,i'm crazy and I'm in good companyXD

probably you men like Garrus because you want to be like him :P


While I certainly will never sprout armored plates or have a flanged voice, I can hit targets at 500 meters with a good rifle.

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I'm leaving this here:
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Her tattoo reminds me of the one Starbuck has.. yeah that was the first thing I noticed.

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leonia42 wrote...

All fandom has it's crowd of people who take things a bit too far, they are usually a minority though and ultimately harmless. The Devs will do with their characters as they please, fan feedback helps but characters aren't built on fanservice alone. I'm not worried about how Bioware will handle the romance, I'm just worried that they won't do enough.

In ME2, the Garrus romance pretty much starts when it ends, unlike the others which feel like ongoing relationships throughout the game. I'm not sure if Bioware recognises this problem (or even thinks of it as a problem) and with nine love-interests to juggle in ME3.. it's going to be hard to give everyone equal treatment. Some of us haven't been getting equal treatment already (the VS fans barely got to see the VS in ME2, the Liara fans are the most spoiled, etc.) so hopefully they will be able to devote enough resources to each LI (including Garrus).

I don't think the pair of them would say anything cliche, every time I think of either Shepard or Garrus saying the l word it never quite sounds right. They wouldn't openly flaunt their affection for one another, especially Garrus who wanted to keep things quiet in ME2. Maybe that will change a bit as his confidence comes back but I can't see either of them putting their relationship at the forefront. They have a mission and a job to do, saving the galaxy is the number one priority.

But a few touches and nuzzles along the way would be nice, it would feel more realistic then hearing "Oh I love you!" all the time.

And yeah, I am not too big on nicknames either. Even when he refers to Shepard as "commander" there's a certain.. familiarity in how he addresses her that it feels like a nickname all its own. Hopefully it stays that way.

I agree.. :?

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Bolboreta wrote...
If Shepard is in a relationship with someone, it must be noticed. If you remember NWN - HotU, after you romanced Valen, every time you talked to him, he answered "yes, my love?". I'm not asking exactly for that (my Garrus would never answer in that way), but I think I made my point.

Stupid sexy BioWare making me gay for their male LIs!

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lovgreno wrote...

Bolboreta wrote...
If Shepard is in a relationship with someone, it must be noticed. If you remember NWN - HotU, after you romanced Valen, every time you talked to him, he answered "yes, my love?". I'm not asking exactly for that (my Garrus would never answer in that way), but I think I made my point.

Stupid sexy BioWare making me gay for their male LIs!

Haha this! :lol:

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Arcian wrote...

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Fine, I'll touch it.



There hap... *continues touching fringe*

I think I just become gay and fell in love to you Garrus.

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RunicDragons wrote...

lovgreno wrote...

Bolboreta wrote...
If Shepard is in a relationship with someone, it must be noticed. If you remember NWN - HotU, after you romanced Valen, every time you talked to him, he answered "yes, my love?". I'm not asking exactly for that (my Garrus would never answer in that way), but I think I made my point.

Stupid sexy BioWare making me gay for their male LIs!

Haha this! :lol:

I need some better female LIs (like, say, for a example a badass female turian) right now...

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Mesina is becoming one of us, one of us..

Also, I am going to shamelessly plug the Palaven LS (link in signature). It's gotten a bit slow lately but we have some new folks in the thread who might not know about it. Basically, it's a chatroom where we can all gather whenever it's convenient to do so and talk about whatever (usually things relating to Garrus and turians) while in the LS window we can stream videos and what not (you can mute/pause the stream if you don't want to watch it). It's a great way for fans to hook up and talk in real-time without waiting on people to post stuff to talk about on the forum.

Check it out.

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leonia42 wrote...

All fandom has it's crowd of people who take things a bit too far, they are usually a minority though and ultimately harmless. The Devs will do with their characters as they please, fan feedback helps but characters aren't built on fanservice alone. I'm not worried about how Bioware will handle the romance, I'm just worried that they won't do enough.

In ME2, the Garrus romance pretty much starts when it ends, unlike the others which feel like ongoing relationships throughout the game. I'm not sure if Bioware recognises this problem (or even thinks of it as a problem) and with nine love-interests to juggle in ME3.. it's going to be hard to give everyone equal treatment. Some of us haven't been getting equal treatment already (the VS fans barely got to see the VS in ME2, the Liara fans are the most spoiled, etc.) so hopefully they will be able to devote enough resources to each LI (including Garrus).

I don't think the pair of them would say anything cliche, every time I think of either Shepard or Garrus saying the l word it never quite sounds right. They wouldn't openly flaunt their affection for one another, especially Garrus who wanted to keep things quiet in ME2. Maybe that will change a bit as his confidence comes back but I can't see either of them putting their relationship at the forefront. They have a mission and a job to do, saving the galaxy is the number one priority.

But a few touches and nuzzles along the way would be nice, it would feel more realistic then hearing "Oh I love you!" all the time.

And yeah, I am not too big on nicknames either. Even when he refers to Shepard as "commander" there's a certain.. familiarity in how he addresses her that it feels like a nickname all its own. Hopefully it stays that way.

I don't know, I think Garrus' relationship just has a different flow. In a way you could say it started before all of the rest of the ME2 relationships, they just had to pack more in to catch up. Although I wish we'd gotten more than a headbump, I don't feel the relationship was any less substantial than say, Miranda or Jacob's.

Or maybe I'm just really zen about how it'll work out after playing DA2 (another team, I know, I know), because I felt one thing that team did right in that was make the various relationships have their own individual pacing.

I think the problem actually was that his non-romance lines were so few as well, we didn't have those to fall back on. The big worry is resource allocation and how spread thin they are, if Garrus is going to get short-changed with lines again, be they romance or otherwise. I have to hope his immense popularity outweighed the 'he can die' factor when they decided how big his part was going to be.

And agreed, about the L word. I want them to show, not tell. Write the romance well and neither one of them will have to say it for the audience to know it.

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Kiss kiss bang bang


A good movie that one.

Yeah, I'll just go with Garrus not calling my Shepard with any pet names. When he calls me "Commander", he says it in a different tone than the rest of the crew. There's just something in his voice that really expresses his feelings towards you. Or it could just be his sexy voice that does it.

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EDIT#2: Chewin couldn't join afterall :(

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Yeah, it was more of an observation than a complaint. Obviously the Garrus relationship is built up from friendship that existed in ME1 (similar to Tali) so perhaps the relationship is deeper and further along than the ME2 ones that simply start and progress through ME2.

But you're right, with the cut in dialogue content, it just felt.. like we weren't given as much as the others. Even without the sex scene that everyone else had (minus Tali I think?) we didn't get any post-sexy time banter or anything.

For me personally, it went from "just friends" to "starting a romantic relationship here" once Garrus said his "I want something to go right...just this once" but I can see how the starting point may have appeared sooner to others.

Overall I'm fine with the pacing, I just wanted more than that headbump. The man deserved so many hugs. And Shepard could have expressed her feelings in words (non-cheesy or cliche words, preferably) at some point. She tells Mordin and Liara that she cares about him, so the feelings are definitely there.

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She tells Mordin and Liara that she cares about him, so the feelings are definitely there.

Kelly, too.

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Voice of Kosh wrote...

lovgreno wrote...

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Well the alternative is they think we're all weird and we just get a head bump as fan service because they are too grossed out to do anything more. Posted Image Posted Image

I would be okay with that as long as we get more Garrus.


I'm just happy they said there would be more squad interaction. I was disappointed with the DLC because no one in my squad talked. It felt odd... Like in overlord when Shepard gets separated from the team Garrus ran and banged on the door in complete silence. It was really noticeable to me as the squad banter is one of my favourite parts. That's why I loved Battlefield Bad Company. Posted Image

I don't really care about sex as such, just how the relationships progress.

And I still feel like a complete and utter b**** for not coming onto Thane. That guy is really into you, you can tell even if you don't romance him. And he called me siha, said he'd tell me what it meant sometime and I told him to concentrate on his son... so he never told me. Posted Image I actually feel bad for him that my Shepard is with Garrus...


I agree with this. There's something about someone being into you that makes them more attractive and Garrus doesn't have that til the end really. You have to wonder which one appreciates a romance with you more. 

With Thane I could almost see him being sad that you never got together, but with Garrus if you hadn't mentioned anything to him about getting together he may not have ever thought of that himself or cared. Or he could just be keeping his feelings to himself more.

Regardless, I think I'm going to find it hard to romance anyone other than Garrus even in subsequent play-throughs. 

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leonia42 wrote...

In ME2, the Garrus romance pretty much starts when it ends, unlike the others which feel like ongoing relationships throughout the game. I'm not sure if Bioware recognises this problem (or even thinks of it as a problem) and with nine love-interests to juggle in ME3.. it's going to be hard to give everyone equal treatment. Some of us haven't been getting equal treatment already (the VS fans barely got to see the VS in ME2, the Liara fans are the most spoiled, etc.) so hopefully they will be able to devote enough resources to each LI (including Garrus).


Word  Posted Image I'm still annoyed about that, if the VS had gotten a DLC in which the romance could have continued a bit then I wouldn't be so grumpy about Liara. For one thing it would given the "cheating" consequence for all the ME1 LI's more of a reason to be equal. I will be most displeased if sleeping with liara while you're in a cemented ME2 relationship gets the same consequence as shepard and the VS parting ways after horizon and meeting new people.
 
I will call b*llsh*t on that and it will just confirm that liara is still the golden girl that does no wrong, even if she participates in affairs. I would have respected her character a hell of a lot more if she refused to be with you if you were with someone else.The truth is I KNOW the others won't be getting more attention than Liara in ME3 despite the fact she's had lots of romance content already, I will be pleasantly surprised if that's the case but I don't expect this to happen.




I don't think the pair of them would say anything cliche, every time I think of either Shepard or Garrus saying the l word it never quite sounds right. They wouldn't openly flaunt their affection for one another, especially Garrus who wanted to keep things quiet in ME2. Maybe that will change a bit as his confidence comes back but I can't see either of them putting their relationship at the forefront. They have a mission and a job to do, saving the galaxy is the number one priority.


Shep and gar aren't a cliché couple by any means and so I don't expect cliché things to come out their mouths. Fenris in DA2 managed to express his love for you without ever using the word once, everything he said felt and sounded like real love. I can picture garrus and shepard doing the same thing, using their own words and their own way to express that they love eachother without actually saying it. Or maybe they will but the build up will be so good that it won't sound cheesy when its finally said, who knows.

But a few touches and nuzzles along the way would be nice, it would feel more realistic then hearing "Oh I love you!" all the time.And yeah, I am not too big on nicknames either. Even when he refers to Shepard as "commander" there's a certain.. familiarity in how he addresses her that it feels like a nickname all its own. Hopefully it stays that way.



Nuzzles are always good! And you're right, if the L word is dropped it can only be done one time, after lots of build up so that it really means something. This made me think of Doctor who actually, when Rose Tyler thinks she'll never see the doc again so she finally confesses that she loves him and before he can finish his reply the doc disappears. When he DOES finally say it back he whispers it but you KNOW that's what he says back to her even if you don't hear it. the point is the l word was used without making anyone behave ooc , and it was used during a crucial point where it meant something.

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