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[dannybates]

Tasha vas Nar Rayya wrote...

Misty and Luna's Teandra Et Teanabra de Lux (or something like that) is awesome fanficcy goodness.

Also, our very own Sialater's 'Loved.'

One of my favourites is Echo Alexia's 'Fallen from Grace' I think it is called.

And if you want the sexy time, click on Sable's fanfiction link

Thanks i will probably read Trust By KSCrusaders and In Translation By KSCrusaders.

Chewin3 wrote...
@dannybates Or you could just read Tasha's fanfic

Psst. She was just to shy to say it herself *wink*

Will read this too, Thanks.

Modifié par dannybates, 11 mai 2011 - 07:21 .

[dannybates]

Dupe, Oops :S

Modifié par dannybates, 11 mai 2011 - 07:19 .

[CulturalGeekGirl]

On romance and fanart (and also addressing the issue of the startling recent lack of ToTPGs here...

I hope Bioware realizes there's a reason that this is one of the images most frequently reposted in this thread.

This kind of hug is better than any fanart-inspired nudity. (Not that there's anything wrong with shirtless Garrus.)

The headbump scene isn't bad, either, but it could have continued in a way that was cute without being too explicit:

Source.

Like this, Bioware! Like this.

Modifié par CulturalGeekGirl, 11 mai 2011 - 07:25 .

[Twilight_Princess]

I'm so happy people keep reposting that gif I made *sniff* it must happen in ME3 , it simply MUST

[Chewin]

Hyrule_Gal wrote...

I'm so happy people keep reposting that gif I made *sniff* it must happen in ME3 , it simply MUST

Make sure you'll make a gif of it when/if it happens

[Twilight_Princess]

Chewin3 wrote...

Hyrule_Gal wrote...

I'm so happy people keep reposting that gif I made *sniff* it must happen in ME3 , it simply MUST

Make sure you'll make a gif of it when/if it happens

Oh I plan to dance around the room, squee a little and then immortalize the moment in gif form when it does. If fact I foresee many squee moments yet to come.

[CulturalGeekGirl]

I think it's pretty clear that EVERYONE wants a Garrus hug interrupt in ME3, even a lot of dudes.

I'm fine if it's just a friendly "good to see you, bro" hug, but there MUST BE A HUG.

[Mims]

I cannot contain my love for the Briareos/Deunan Shepard/Garrus comparison. Particularly in the manga version, it just fits so well. Do want.

[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

dannybates wrote...

Tasha vas Nar Rayya wrote...

Misty and Luna's Teandra Et Teanabra de Lux (or something like that) is awesome fanficcy goodness.

Also, our very own Sialater's 'Loved.'

One of my favourites is Echo Alexia's 'Fallen from Grace' I think it is called.

And if you want the sexy time, click on Sable's fanfiction link

Thanks i will probably read Trust By KSCrusaders and In Translation By KSCrusaders.

Chewin3 wrote...
@dannybates Or you could just read Tasha's fanfic

Psst. She was just to shy to say it herself *wink*

Will read this too, Thanks.

Lol, thanks Chewin. Guess I should just go with shameless self promotion!

Although I haven't updated mine for a while, it isn't finished yet! Just I'm writing a book, so been focussing on that more recently.

I have discovered that Garrus fanfiction is among the most plentiful and talented among ME ff however.

And I love that gif! Another big thankyou to Hyrule gal!!

[RunicDragons]

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

I think it's pretty clear that EVERYONE wants a Garrus hug interrupt in ME3, even a lot of dudes.

I'm fine if it's just a friendly "good to see you, bro" hug, but there MUST BE A HUG.

I'm a guy, and I need hugs from him!!! 

Modifié par RunicDragons, 11 mai 2011 - 08:36 .

[RunicDragons]

Chewin3 wrote...

@dannybates Or you could just read Tasha's fanfic

Psst. She was just to shy to say it herself *wink*

Thank you for the link! This is awesome! 

[dannybates]

Just trying to read trough every Rated: M - English - Romance - FemShep & Garrus V. story

12 down 166 to go !

wish me luck

Modifié par dannybates, 11 mai 2011 - 09:08 .

[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

RunicDragons wrote...

Chewin3 wrote...

@dannybates Or you could just read Tasha's fanfic

Psst. She was just to shy to say it herself *wink*

Thank you for the link! This is awesome! 

Awesome! And I thought it wasn't very popular. May put it in my sig again .

[RunicDragons]

@Tasha: This is Incredible!! 
I am reading it right now and I have reached chapter 6.
Best romance story I have ever read so far! [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/love.png[/smilie]

Modifié par RunicDragons, 11 mai 2011 - 09:41 .

[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

RunicDragons wrote...

@Tasha: This is Incredible!! 
I am reading it right now and I have reached chapter 6.
Best romance story I have ever read so far! 

Really? That's it. It is going back in my sig. Shameless self promotion!

Please review too

[Sable Rhapsody]

Tasha vas Nar Rayya wrote...

Misty and Luna's Teandra Et Teanabra de Lux (or something like that) is awesome fanficcy goodness.

Also, our very own Sialater's 'Loved.'

One of my favourites is Echo Alexia's 'Fallen from Grace' I think it is called.

And if you want the sexy time, click on Sable's fanfiction link

Plot is lame.  All about the smutty one-shots! 

Actually, it's more like Sable is a) too disorganized and too easily bored to write longer fics with more involved plots, so writes mostly sexy times for Shepard and Garr-bear <_<  I've gotten better about it with my DA2 fic...maybe I can start writing some actual plot for ME fics.

[RunicDragons]

 Thank you, Tasha for this interesting story, well written and everything. Fun to read. 

[AdmiralCheez]

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

I think it's pretty clear that EVERYONE wants a Garrus hug interrupt in ME3, even a lot of dudes.

I'm fine if it's just a friendly "good to see you, bro" hug, but there MUST BE A HUG.

NEEDS to happen, dudes.

NEEDS to.

Also, random, but in my head, this is Garrus' theme song in ME3:

KNIGHTS OF CYDONIA (by Muse, from the album Black Holes and Revelations)

Come ride with me through the veins of history
I'll show you a god who falls asleep on the job
And how can we win when fools can be kings?
Don't waste your time or time will waste you

No one's gonna take me alive
The time has come to make things right
You and I must fight for our rights
You and I must fight to survive

Has a very "space cowboy" sound to it.  It's a good tune to kick ass to.  Yeah, I happened to be biased because Black Holes is my favorite album ever, but if anyone's going to try to take on the Reapers vigilante-style, it's Garrus.  Sorry if it's already on the "songs of Garrus" playlist, derp.

Speaking of vigilantes, I honestly disapprove of Garrus' choice to try to "clean up" Omega by himself.  Impossible cause, unnecessary bloodshed, too violent, etc.  However, I really can't picture him doing anything else.  Because, you know, he's Garrus.

Thinking about it more, I really should hate Garrus.  I mean, seriously, he was a smug little dick in ME1--a rookie cop with an attitude problem, one of those self-righteous and "edgy" pretty-boy types that I usually hate.  And then in ME2 he does that whole Archangel stint, gets all rage-hatey over revenge, and is consumed by drama, brooding, and violence.  As Joker said, he'd worked that pole out of his ass, but now he's beating people to death with it.  I normally despise characters with these traits, so what makes me love the spiky bastard so much?

I think a lot of it has to do with Keener.  Not only does he have a gorgeous voice, but he is damn good at his job.  I think this goes for all squadmates: the voice acting is just f*cking insane.  Combine that with the programmed "digital acting" and the way the characters all respond to you, and it really creates the illusion that they're real people.

But that wouldn't be enough to make me love Garrus.  Okay, yeah, I have a weakness for sharpshooters and find turians oddly attractive in general, but being absurdly sexy and realistically presented is not enough to override what a colossal douchebag he is.  The final sell for me has to be his positive qualities, the personality traits that are either endearing or worthy of admiration.

What are these traits, you ask?  Well, I'd hardly bring them up if I didn't plan on sharing them:

1. Garrus is easy to embarrass, and because of this frequently becomes incredibly adorkable and unintentionally hilarious.  This pairs nicely with his dry wit and casual acknowledgment of both his faults and his awesomeness.  And, really, there's nothing more entertaining than watching Garrus put his foot in his mouth.

2. Garrus gives a sh*t.  He sees all the things wrong with the world/galaxy and wants to make it a better place.  He doesn't like it when the little guy gets beat down and the bad guy gets away with it.  He's disgusted by how the system screws over the people it was designed to protect.  He's got genuine compassion for others.  Granted, that compassion drives him to do very stupid and often violent things, but the fact that it's there is admirable.

3. Garrus is your best friend.  Your BEST.  FRIEND.  His promotion from pseudo-apprentice to bro4life was the best thing that happened to him.  He trusts Shepard, thinks on his/her level, and will follow him/her into hell and back, dropping giggle-worthy quips the whole way.

Now, when you throw compassion, humor, and loyalty in with the fact that he's a violent, self-righteous, yet absurdly sexy dirtbag, you get a very special kind of badass, one that's both bigger than life and real enough that you actually start to care about him.

Garrus' flaws, as much as I hate them, are an essential part of who he is, and I wouldn't take him any other way.

LOL, essay.

[CulturalGeekGirl]

I essays.

I agree with you on a lot of these points, though I have always had a thing for chaotic neutral guys who only need a little bit of guidance to become chaotic good (Zelgadis, Sawyer, Moist Von Lipwig, Jack Sparrow). And really, Garrus is good to start with, or wants badly to be good, at least. Wanting to help people and making that your first priority counts for a lot, even if you suck at it. That's why I'm here. I'm here to help.

One of my favorite things about his development is the fact that he is willing to change his point of view. He sees Shepard get results, and instead of stubbornly arguing that Shepard is wrong, he uses this evidence to guide his own decisions. I attribute his backslide partially to having to look at Shepard's evidence differently, in light of the denial of the Reaper threat. Where in ME1 he may have thought "Paragon can work." Shepard's death might have made him reassess again, "But all the good Shepard did ended up coming to nothing. I guess we were both wrong about paragon stuff working." 

Modifié par CulturalGeekGirl, 11 mai 2011 - 10:56 .

[AdmiralCheez]

Oh yes, I love me my bordering-on-good chaotic neutrals as well, but Garrus is in that weird spot where he can swing from chaotic good to "righteous" evil if he's not careful. It's a fascinating character arc.

And yeah, I like the fact that he's willing to back off when he realizes he's doing it wrong, and I never had a problem with him backsliding either, since it made perfect sense in the context of the story. I don't want him to be Shepard's shadow, anyway--similar, maybe, but with his own style and point of view.

I tend to like characters better when they ****** me off about something, anyway. Makes for fun tension, and if I wanted everyone to agree with me, I'd become a preacher.

[jamesp81]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Oh yes, I love me my bordering-on-good chaotic neutrals as well, but Garrus is in that weird spot where he can swing from chaotic good to "righteous" evil if he's not careful. It's a fascinating character arc.

And yeah, I like the fact that he's willing to back off when he realizes he's doing it wrong, and I never had a problem with him backsliding either, since it made perfect sense in the context of the story. I don't want him to be Shepard's shadow, anyway--similar, maybe, but with his own style and point of view.

I tend to like characters better when they ****** me off about something, anyway. Makes for fun tension, and if I wanted everyone to agree with me, I'd become a preacher.

Take it from someone who is personal friends with about three preachers: everyone doesn't agree with them.  In fact, almost no one does, even inside the church, much less outside of it.

[CulturalGeekGirl]

I hesitate to reduce ME characters to conventional alignments, because the morality in the games is so unique - I just use that "chaotic neutral" category as a shorthand for "lovable bastard who works outside the conventional rules."

While Paragon Garrus is chaotic good (bordering on neutral good), and Renegade Garrus is chaotic neutral, Renegade Garrus has a chance to go completely out-of-control and start killing innocents in the blind pursuit of what he sees as good, a mindset for which there is no conventionally corresponding alignment.

I'm a sucker for characters who just need a little help to be truly great. While the conventional wisdom that you shouldn't try to change someone is correct, people often use that fact to say that characters who change are poorly written. I also like that Bioware understands that trying to change someone and trying to help them are two entirely different things; and that sometimes helping someone does change them, in exactly the way you want it to. Sometimes it doesn't.

My favorite example of this is Arnold Rimmer from Red Dwarf. The man is a complete smeghead, an awful, unlikable person, an utterly selfish loser. The thing is, you learn throughout the series that he is like this because no one has ever showed him even a hint of basic human kindness. In the few episodes where someone is nice to him, he softens and becomes this fragile, sensitive, giving person... until the third act, where he is inevitably betrayed and goes back to being the douchebag everyone loves to hate. While this is a convenient plot structure if you want to have a sitcom with a horrible character who people are still supposed to enjoy watching, it's frustrating for me sometimes. I'd like to see a scenario where someone like Rimmer gets the support he needs, and shines as a result.

Garrus's situation isn't quite that transformative, but it's still a great example of a character who has his own strong defining qualities, but who grows and changes in response to those around him.

[AdmiralCheez]

jamesp81 wrote...

Take it from someone who is personal friends with about three preachers: everyone doesn't agree with them.  In fact, almost no one does, even inside the church, much less outside of it.

Oh, I know.  I was trying to imply the more stereotypical/traditional power dynamic: preacher says something, congregation says "Amen!"  The congregation looks to him for moral guidance and takes his advice seriously.  It's his job to lead people towards a certain (spiritual) mindset.  He's a teacher of morals and values, and his words are taken to heart.  Obviously, it doesn't work quite like that in real life, but what I'm getting at is that I like to think of the squad as friends and brothers in arms, not followers.  This Shepard isn't into sheep, know what I mean? (Hm, that might merit its own thread...)

@CGG: All I can do is nod in agreement, again.  Damn you.