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[ciaweth]

Garrus as XO? With all the paperwork that incurs, I think he'd hate it. I was fine with having Miranda as XO in ME2 because she was clearly good at it. Whoever's good at their job, that's who I want in that role. Garrus is good at sniping things and leading teams, bad at bureaucracy, so he's coming with me into the fire.

[Evil_Nerjuna]

I don't like the love triangle drama between Garrus and Kaidan/Liara, so I've usually make different Shepards that are either loyal or available for Garrus in my ME2 playthroughs.

However, that doesn't mean I don't want to see the train-wreck result in ME3 if you cheated on your LI. I kept nice save file that I've took off from someone... who had her Shepard cheat on Kaidan with... well, it's not Garrus. It's someone else. Still, for some reason, I can't bring myself to see Garrus getting involved with this sort of mess.

Modifié par Evil_Nerjuna, 12 mai 2011 - 04:08 .

[Twilight_Princess]

I'm only doing the drama playthrough beacuse

A. Wanna see what snarky stuff Gar and kaidan might say to eachother

B. Any reaction to the gar/shep relationship will be fun

C.I'm picking Gar anyway

D. After Horizon, hooking up with garrus wasn't actually cheating so I don't expect this triangle to be treated as such. I honestly just think things will be a bit tense between the LI's and the return of the ME1 LI will just create a bit of insecurity, I don't think either will be "mad" at shep just worried about who she really loves.

E. Garrus AND kaidan knew shepard in ME1 and eachother, even worked together so it makes it a bit more personal. I don't think it would pack the same kind of punch as say Thane/kaidan or Jacob/kaidan. That makes it the most interesting triangle to see IMO At least out of the fellas

Modifié par Hyrule_Gal, 12 mai 2011 - 04:23 .

[Twilight_Princess]

*double post*

Modifié par Hyrule_Gal, 12 mai 2011 - 04:17 .

[Eradyn]

Evil_Nerjuna wrote...

I don't like the love triangle drama between Garrus and Kaidan/Liara, so I've usually make different Shepards that are either loyal or available for Garrus in my ME2 playthroughs.

However, that doesn't mean I don't want to see the train-wreck result in ME3 if you cheated on your LI. I kept nice save file that I've took off from someone... who had her Shepard cheat on Kaidan with... well, it's not Garrus. It's someone else. Still, for some reason, I can't bring myself to see Garrus getting involved with this sort of mess.

Exactly, he hates love triangles and he's too professional for that, I think.  I'd like to think Kaidan and Liara are also more professional than that.  If Kaidan reacted any more strongly than Liara, I will be very disappointed (not that it will matter as I never romanced him and he's dead in my playthroughs).

ciaweth wrote...

Garrus as XO? With all the paperwork
that incurs, I think he'd hate it. I was fine with having Miranda as XO
in ME2 because she was clearly good at it. Whoever's good at their
job, that's who I want in that role. Garrus is good at sniping things
and leading teams, bad at bureaucracy, so he's coming with me into the
fire.

And this.  Is Garrus capable of filing paperwork and filling out reports? Yes.  He did it in C-Sec...and you know what? He hated it.  I would never willingly give him a position where his primary responsibilities are paperwork, reports, and red tape.  That would be horrible.

All I want is for him to stick with my Shep, fighting by her side as the loyal turian-Punisher he is.  Because he's damned good at that and he likes doing that.  And I kind of like him doing that, especially with that sexy new armor of his.

[Surmansuuhun]

I don't think forcing him to do paperwork is neccessarily going to make him grow. I think if you just force him to continue to do something he hates it would push him further away. Unless you can get him to see how his paperwork directly relates to helping people...He's a man of action and if Shepard hadn't been dead, she would have been right there with him on Omega. That's her plan, afterall, when everything is done. If she and Garrus survive, they're going to travel the galaxy and right wrongs as they see fit. At least, that's what she wants to do.

Miranda is a good XO. Garrus is a good squad leader. I see him as an NCO rather than an officer.

[Surmansuuhun]

double post

Modifié par Surmansuuhun, 12 mai 2011 - 04:43 .

[AdmiralCheez]

While we're on the topic of XOs and the like, here's another thing I want to see in ME3: Garrus as an adviser to Shepard and secondary squad leader. He, Jacob, and the VS could all fill Shepard's role if he/she was out of commission for some reason. Miranda and Liara could provide advice from a more technical standpoint: Miranda about the workings of the ship and crew, and Liara about the galaxy and information/politics.

Yeah, I have a little spot for every squadmate on and off the Normandy in my head. Garrus and the VS are totally Shep's understudies, hurr.

[Surmansuuhun]

@AdmiralCheez
I'd love to have a secondary team. I think it would be cool to play as them as well! I like the idea of crewmembers having jobs aboard the ship and I wouldn't mind if they didn't necessarily go on missions. I liked having Joker and Kelly to talk to (though I wish they said more) and on my crew even though they weren't combat squad members. I wouldn't mind having more of those.

Edit: To be clearer, I think previous crewmembers filling various roles as you described is a good idea and I wouldn't even mind if they weren't always available for combat. There. I think that makes more sense.

Modifié par Surmansuuhun, 12 mai 2011 - 05:04 .

[dannybates]

 Mass Effect 2 Unexpected Alliances by Gixxer600 is so amazing.

If you have not read it yet i urge you to.

[lovgreno]

ciaweth wrote...

Garrus as XO? With all the paperwork that incurs, I think he'd hate it. I was fine with having Miranda as XO in ME2 because she was clearly good at it. Whoever's good at their job, that's who I want in that role. Garrus is good at sniping things and leading teams, bad at bureaucracy, so he's coming with me into the fire.

Ah, I stand corrected. Garrus was obsiously lousy at paperwork considering his career in C-sec.

[CulturalGeekGirl]

lovgreno wrote...

ciaweth wrote...

Garrus as XO? With all the paperwork that incurs, I think he'd hate it. I was fine with having Miranda as XO in ME2 because she was clearly good at it. Whoever's good at their job, that's who I want in that role. Garrus is good at sniping things and leading teams, bad at bureaucracy, so he's coming with me into the fire.

Ah, I stand corrected. Garrus was obsiously lousy at paperwork considering his career in C-sec.

Has anyone here seen Hot Fuzz? Because I'm picturing the ending to Hot Fuzz right now.

It's all about a cop who gets transferred to a crappy little village in the sticks because he's so good at his job that he makes the other cops look bad. It's by the Shawn of the Dead guys. Also: the main character in Hot Fuzz, the hotshot cop who is a complete badass? Nick Angel.

Damn, now I have to watch that movie again.

Modifié par CulturalGeekGirl, 12 mai 2011 - 05:42 .

[Surmansuuhun]

@CGG: Hot Fuzz is awesome! Now I'm picturing Garrus getting stabbed in the hand by someone dressed as Father Christmas. Ha!

[Chewin]

@CGG That shortcut never gets old

[CulturalGeekGirl]

Basically, I think that Garrus wouldn't have a problem with paperwork if he got to do everything that leads up to the paperwork in Hot Fuzz. He's more frustrated by the red tape preventing him from acting than the resulting paperwork, I'd imagine.

Back to the romance triangle angst ohmy!

I'm still torn about Garrus, Kaidan, and my personal cannon.

I'm definitely going to play my Kaidan + Garrus save first, because I think it's the most honest one, and also the reactions of both LIs will determine both who I pick in that save, and whether or not I do cannon "faithful" runs for both of them.

I'm a bit worried, since Bioware seems to have said that "cheating" on your LI will be the only thing they will explicitly punish, heh. I'm anticipating a Virmire-like situation, where it's your LI and another random character if you didn't cheat, but it's both your LIs if you did. Alternately, it could be a Miranda vs. Jack type situation where you can't talk your way out of it.  Sigh. I hope not, but I can see them doing it.

I also don't know what to do if I decide I need  a new ME1 playthrough where I don't romance anyone (or romance Liara, I feel less bad about dumping her for some reason?) Right now I really only have my main Jane (Spacer/War Hero/Vanguard) and a few "lol, crazy" Shepards who are not getting anywhere near Garrus. I'm not sure whether to remake Jane again, or recreate Jane with everything the same but her class, or what. Decisions, decisions. I actually never did a New Game + of my original Jane, so maybe that's what I'll do.

I'm waiting to see things in ME3 before I do a lot of my "extra" playthroughs, so I can tweak decisions and whatnot. I don't want to have five ME2 saves where I rewrite the Heretic Geth if I decide that's the wrong move... I'm fine with letting it stand on my "first look" save, but other than that, I don't know.

Modifié par CulturalGeekGirl, 12 mai 2011 - 06:19 .

[Surmansuuhun]

@CGG, I'm with you on not wanting to have multiple saves with the same outcome that ME 3 may prove ends up being disasterous. I've go two right now and they are basically the same exact Shepard with slightly different facial tweaks (blue eyes instead of green, etc), classes and backgrounds, and ME 1 love interests. I actually consider them both cannon to me since they are so similar. More like parallel universe Shepards (which is funny considering the whole based on Fringe's Olivia Dunham thing I've got going on).

[ciaweth]

Arcian wrote...

Eradyn wrote...

TBH, I don't want Garrus as Shep's XO. I would never do that to him. But I do want to be able to acknowledge, further, him being Shep's Second, and her closest confidante. You can kind of do that in ME2, but I'd love to see it taken further.

I'd love him as my XO, but I'd be totally fine with just having him as my Vice Brommander.

ciaweth wrote...

Garrus as XO? With all the paperwork that incurs, I think he'd hate it. I was fine with having Miranda as XO in ME2 because she was clearly good at it. Whoever's good at their job, that's who I want in that role. Garrus is good at sniping things and leading teams, bad at bureaucracy, so he's coming with me into the fire.

I think I can speak for all of us when I say we all love him for being the awesome, sniping vigilante that he is. But the incredibly important thing you're not taking into consideration is that Garrus needs to grow as a person. His issue with bureacracy is something he needs to accept, because its such an integral part of day-to-day life that he won't be able to live in a normal society if he continues to reject it. Just look at where it got him in ME2 - he went to the most lawless hive in the Terminus Systems, waged war against the three largest merc groups on his own and nearly got himself killed had it not been for Shepard's nigh-divine intervention. Even though the population of Omega venerated him for his efforts, he even remarks he barely put a dent in it. His anti-regulations, vigilante persona is self-destructive and it will kill him if he doesn't change, to absolutely no ones benefits, the very least his own.

Letting him adjust to the position of XO - not seamlessly, of course, he will fight it in the beginning - would be an excellent example of character development since it shows he's starting to be realistic about his place in the galaxy and the extent of his influence - that you can't put a gun to the head of the galaxy and force it to abide by the law, and that lawlessness against lawlessness is about as good as fighting fire with fire.

Uh, thanks, Arcian, I'm familiar with that concept, having talked about it about a thousand times in this very thread over the past, oh, quite a while.  I didn't say I was going to glue him to my frigging hip.  I said that he doesn't belong as my Shepard's XO.  In my view, that would be the same overshadowing nonsense that the Shadow Broker mentioned in the dossier.

You're of course entitled to your opinion, but please don't dismiss mine as a failure to consider some details that are obvious to bloody everyone.

[CulturalGeekGirl]

Guys guys, this is the Garrus thread. THE GARRUS THREAD. No drama here. I DEMAND YOU ALL HUG.

[ciaweth]

Heh.  I wouldn't call this drama.  I'd call it an objection to being condescended to, and we can just move on from it without making it a big deal.

Here, have some soothing, manly Garrus:

[Obsydian]

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

Guys guys, this is the Garrus thread. THE GARRUS THREAD. No drama here. I DEMAND YOU ALL HUG.

HUGZ TIEM NAO! 

[Eradyn]

Eeeewwww but the cooties! Dx

Well, if we must...

[CulturalGeekGirl]

This one is pleased.

Modifié par CulturalGeekGirl, 12 mai 2011 - 07:03 .

[ArcanaLegacy]

Hyrule_Gal wrote...

hmmm I think I'm gonna go with drama first then , although I wish I had actually played out the kaidan romance properly on that save to give it some meaning. It was really tacked on , I spoke to him once and then he showed up in my room, I turn him away but got a picture on my desk anyway. But I can't be asked to redo that shepard again , she's my test subject shepard not my canon.

This happened with my canon MaleShep. Was somewhat ok with Ash,just being a friend.... i turn her down at THE scene....and BAM! Picture of her on my desk

Out of my plays, Imma going with my canon femshep playthru which has a loyal Garrus romance only. Kai's dead, Ash is alive XP Ive worked hard to craft my perfect femshep play. Im actually VERRRRRRYYYYY curious to her reaction to when she discovers that not only is Shepard dating someone, but someone she's worked with before and of another species. And that person is turian.....and its Garrus.  Its just leads from one thing to another. heh. Cant wait.
I wonder what Anderson would say. I bet he'd approve and probably make a joke at them for fun.

Hyrule_Gal wrote...
E. Garrus AND kaidan knew shepard in ME1 and eachother, even worked together so it makes it a bit more personal. I don't think it would pack the same kind of punch as say Thane/kaidan or Jacob/kaidan. That makes it the most interesting triangle to see IMO At least out of the fellas

And back to this situation, but with my maleshep play. I romanced Tali. So theres going to be some drama seeing as Ash and Tali seemed to get along quite well in ME1. I think in the cases of Garrus/Kaiden and Ashley/Tali, it'll be a deeper insecurity [i.e more drama??????] since they were acquintanced with each other already, so theres going to be some added tension than other LIs so to speak. Im kinda erked at the play with my canon maleshep, since i didnt want any drama. I dont want it "backfiring"- seeing as how i was trapped in a romance with someone i didnt really try to romance. Especially since BW says that the "cheating" situation will be brought up between characters at the worst possible time. but i am curious as to what will happen so I'll keep it.

I do hate how BW keeps emphasizing that theres going to be some huge penalties if Shepard "cheated". When in reality some people [well.....mostly everyone] simply moved on. Its been 2 years, I wouldve thought the VS moved on as well, and in the horizon scene- they were hurt yes, and I can sympathize with them. I would be rather shocked find out my lover was brought back from the dead after 2 yrs and is now working with the "bad guys", but I'd listen to every word he'd have to say with understanding that I still knew this person and trust him. BUT at the same time didnt listen to Shepards words he/she hasnt changed! Nothing- Ash/Kai should know Shepard well enough to know he/she was doing the right thing. But no- just walk away and oh!- Dont forget to turn the blade in my heart some more that u just plungered in Shepard while ur at it! [and btw an simple email isn't enough to heal the damage that was done. Kai/Ash shouldve found a way to come to the normandy- or link up a message and chat in the intercom or something.] I like how even Liara agreed that what the VS said was wrong. [thanks for the comfort chat homegirl ^_^] 

Well im rambling.... - At least i know my FempshepxGarrus save is safe


edit: Hugs all around! But dont forget the headbumps!  Headbump i say!!!! They make things better too!

Modifié par ArcanaLegacy, 12 mai 2011 - 07:07 .