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Surmansuuhun

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Another reason I'd like Kaidan for the m/m romance is that it would create a deeper relationship. It'd be more, "It was always you, my friend" and less "You're hot and we're probably going to die. Wanna f*ck?"

I don't know how I'd feel about a gay Garrus...Mostly I don't want this because it would mean that no matter who I play, I'd always pick Garrus. I'd never be able to see the other content because I'd never be able to resist him! But, he could work because he would also give the relationship depth, plus it's only fair to let the gay men play as men and bask in the glory that is Garrus. At any rate, I am excited to see what they do for this.
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Modifié par Surmansuuhun, 15 mai 2011 - 10:13 .


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Grunt should be the M/M love interest.

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Surmansuuhun wrote...

Another reason I'd like Kaidan for the m/m romance is that it would create a deeper relationship. It'd be more, "It was always you, my friend" and less "You're hot and we're probably going to die. Wanna f*ck?"

I don't know how I'd feel about a gay Garrus...Mostly I don't want this because it would mean that no matter who I play, I'd always pick Garrus. I'd never be able to see the other content because I'd never be able to resist him! But, he could work because he would also give the relationship depth, plus it's only fair to let the gay men play as men and bask in the glory that is Garrus. At any rate, I am excited to see what they do for this.


I think Kaidan is more likely if it's an existing person (and not all existing people), largely because a lot of the people who want a gay love interest have specified that they'd prefer at least one normal human.

It would be funny if what opened up the "gay" options was a dialogue with Kelly (or someone equivalent if Kelly has been goo-ified) where you can say "actually, I prefer other men" or "gender doesn't matter to me." After that, bam... m/m romances open up.

That said, I'm all for Super Gay James or Super Gay Nigel. So awesome.

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dannybates wrote...

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

And he's not conventionally nerdy... just hollywood nerdy, which means he's actually hot and gets all the good lines, but isn't as "conventionally attractive" as the actual main love interest.


I think these girl's find him hot :P

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Am I the only one who looks at this and keeps thinking, "lower...lower..."  Is it hot in here? I think I'll go open a window.

Re: Garrus being a nerd.  There is a video someone took where Garrus mentions what he does in his spare time to relax, which is combat vectors or something like that.  Hot nerd, intelligent and witty, awesome friend, big rifle (*ahem*), never misses.  Yep, definitely.

To get this dialogue, iirc, you need to reach the point where he relays his "reach and flexibility" story and then leave without triggering anything.  Then you go back and he's all "I still don't know what to do to blow off steam."  Argh, it's been too long! Tough to remember...but if anyone can find it I'd be very appreciative.

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I think a Garrus/Manshep romance would be hot. I would play as Manshep just to see that.

I hope that in ME3 there will be more choices for how Shepard approaches romances. I know a million pages ago people were discussing that Femshep seemed a little harsh in the final scene of the Garrus romance, and I agree with that. I imagined my Shepard handling things a little more sweetly and was annoyed that I didn't have a choice in the matter. I'm also interested to see how the Garrus romance will be initiated if you didn't romance him in ME2.

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Your suggestion on having Kelly be the trigger for s/s dialogue to even pop up for players would work well. Kelly would ask that anyway but I'm still opposed to having ME - ME2 past LI except Jack be bi or remotely s/s options for 3. The only reason I'm ok with Jack is she says first she tried it with a girl and her boyfriend and didn't like it and later in game she's screaming at my fshep for sex. If Jack suddenly changed her mind again in ME3 and said you know what fshep I like you I wouldn't like it ( I turned her down anyway) but it wouldn't be a stretch for this character. Turning her down again would be a drag like didn't I say no the last time you asked but livable.

I don't care if BW wants to make new potential recruits that we can add to the squad who want s/s with shep because they're new and we know zilch about them. Having Kelly speak more on her love affairs and later corner shep on the subject would work if player says no to interest in s/s all new ME3 unknown squadmates (like Varga guy for instance) if BW deemed them to be s/s at all wouldn't try and if player says yes to s/s then those new unknown 3 characters would attempt. And I suppose I should say if BW is thinking of using Kelly as the trigger for new 3 squadmembers like Varga to open up to shep on s/s trigger if player doesn't speak to Kelly then those people designated for s/s won't say anything on the subject to player.

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Hey, there's nothing at all wrong with benig a nerd. i'm fairly sure that by coming in here to a message board to talk with other people aroudn the world about our favorite video game character... makes us allll nerds.

yup i said it. i'm a gamer girl who plays warhammer, dnd, video games, etc. i larp. i write fanfiction. i am the epitome of nerd. and i'm DAMNED proud of it. :D

also, that picture of human Garrus... DAYUM! i'd hit it.

and m/m relationships make me so damned happy. i'm sad that i can''t have one in ME. i have always thought that Kaidan would have been wonderful for that. I understand the being trapmanced... but that can happen in hetero romances too (i'm sorry, Kelly or Jacob anyone?) I totally ship Kaidan/maleShep. all the time forever. all.the.time.

and to whoever said that it wouldn't make sense for any of the men who had female relationships before.... Bisexual? yes? i know plenty of guys who've had relationships with both guys and girls.
plenty of girls who have too.
yup. so thats never a reason. hell, i could see Thane being an m/m typed person too. He seems to live more for the experience.

ok. thats enough ranting for me for now.

back to my calibrating.
seriously.

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AdmiralCheez

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I think FemShep was a little too shallow and aggressive in all the romances in ME2, to be honest.

Not that DudeShep was much better... >_<

Seriously, why can't there be a sweet/caring option?

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Noooo!!!!!! ManShep and Garrus romance make's me want to commit suicide and also make's me vomit

Modifié par dannybates, 15 mai 2011 - 10:24 .


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dannybates wrote...

 Amazing! Shep with Garrus concept armour from ME3 

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Late to the party, but I'd tap that. I... really have nothing else to add at the moment.

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Obsydian wrote...

Hey, there's nothing at all wrong with benig a nerd. i'm fairly sure that by coming in here to a message board to talk with other people aroudn the world about our favorite video game character... makes us allll nerds.

yup i said it. i'm a gamer girl who plays warhammer, dnd, video games, etc. i larp. i write fanfiction. i am the epitome of nerd. and i'm DAMNED proud of it. :D

also, that picture of human Garrus... DAYUM! i'd hit it.

and m/m relationships make me so damned happy. i'm sad that i can''t have one in ME. i have always thought that Kaidan would have been wonderful for that. I understand the being trapmanced... but that can happen in hetero romances too (i'm sorry, Kelly or Jacob anyone?) I totally ship Kaidan/maleShep. all the time forever. all.the.time.

and to whoever said that it wouldn't make sense for any of the men who had female relationships before.... Bisexual? yes? i know plenty of guys who've had relationships with both guys and girls.
plenty of girls who have too.
yup. so thats never a reason. hell, i could see Thane being an m/m typed person too. He seems to live more for the experience.

ok. thats enough ranting for me for now.

back to my calibrating.
seriously.


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You don't do computing do you?

And one of my best friends in college was gay. He's now settled down with a girl. *shrugs* Happens.

AdmiralCheez wrote...

I think FemShep was a little too shallow and aggressive in all the romances in ME2, to be honest.

Not that DudeShep was much better... >_<

Seriously, why can't there be a sweet/caring option?


^ This. I know Shepard is a hard arse but I think behind closed doors he or she would let the soldier act drop. If you want him/her too.

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AdmiralCheez

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dannybates wrote...

Noooo!!!!!! ManShep and Garrus romance make's me want to commit suicide and also make's me vomit

Only because you KNOW you couldn't resist it if it were an option.

No one could.

No one...

(But yeah I'd rather not have Gayrus.  I prefer Brokarian, and I want to give the other LIs a chance.)

#24413
Surmansuuhun

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@Obsydian, yeah, I actually really like manShep and Kaidan. And Thane, I agree, would be another good option. I remember when I first saw Thane I thought, "If I was a manShep I would hit that so hard." I don't really see Garrus as the best option for m/m because he's been manShep's bro and you always need a bro. It would just seem weird, I think, if you started hitting on your bro.

Edit: Or, exactly what AdmiralCheez said above.

Modifié par Surmansuuhun, 15 mai 2011 - 10:29 .


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Obsydian

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i <3 maleShep/Garrus.

I also fully ship Kaidan/Garrus. fully and totally.

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AdmiralCheez wrote...

I think FemShep was a little too shallow and aggressive in all the romances in ME2, to be honest.

Not that DudeShep was much better... >_<

Seriously, why can't there be a sweet/caring option?


Yeah, really. Miranda's started out really caring and stuff, but the actually romance scene kinda ruined that. Thane's was like, 'I am dying, my wife is dead and my son tried to kill someone.' 'I want you, Thane.' Like, wtf :blink:? Jacob and Kelly, 'nuff said. Garrus's had some pretty good lines, but still seemed kinda sudden. Jack's was kind of sweet and had the whole renegade/paragon option, I guess. Never seen Tali's so I wouldn't know. I really liked how Bioward screwed everyone over with Samara's not-romance. One of my favorite moments in the game, actually.

That said, I loved every single paragon interrupt hug scene. They were so sweet.

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I can understand why some dudes might not want a bi Garrus. I kept hearing male gamers telling me what a 'bro' Jacob was but his awkward romance completely ruined any feeling of camaraderie for me.

I'm liking this 'buff, experienced soldier Vega as stereotype-bucking M/M option' idea, though.

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AdmiralCheez wrote...

dannybates wrote...

Noooo!!!!!! ManShep and Garrus romance make's me want to commit suicide and also make's me vomit

Only because you KNOW you couldn't resist it if it were an option.

No one could.

No one...

(But yeah I'd rather not have Gayrus.  I prefer Brokarian, and I want to give the other LIs a chance.)



NoNoNoNo I bloody well could resist it.

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The best part about a bi Garrus is that he doesn't have to be bi in your game if you don't want him to be.

Just sayin'.

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Meta Ray Mek wrote...

The best part about a bi Garrus is that he doesn't have to be bi in your game if you don't want him to be.

Just sayin'.


Yeah i know. I just don't want to imagine it.

Rule 34 might make not imagining it quite hard <_<

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Provided that they do it a certain way, that is. They could technically have Garrus show that he also likes men even if you're not romancing him.

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AdmiralCheez

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dannybates wrote...

NoNoNoNo I bloody well could resist it.

Perhaps.

I just keep forgetting that not everyone in the world is bi.

I am horribly skewed like that.

Anyway, to celebrate the s/s news and to make dannybates uncomfortable, here are some gay turians:

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By my fabulous best-friend-in-real-life, who you can bother here.

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AdmiralCheez wrote...

I think FemShep was a little too shallow and aggressive in all the romances in ME2, to be honest.

Not that DudeShep was much better... >_<

Seriously, why can't there be a sweet/caring option?


I agree, though this was also one of the reasons I couldn't do any of the other FemShep romances in ME2.

The only reason I was ok with Shepard and Garrus was that I chose to interpret her harshness and forwardness as joking (which is not the only interpretation, or even the most obvious one. Still, it went well with her mannerisms and facial expressions during those scenes.)

The shallowness makes some sense in-character for my Shepard, in the context of Garrus, at least. In my mind, Jane didn't want another actual serious romantic relationship after what happened with Kaidan, she just wanted some casual sex. That's why she didn't go after Thane or Jacob: both seemed pretty geared up for something serious, and she couldn't honor that. With Garrus it was originally going to be just sex, so it felt like it was ok to be jokey and not explore the deeper side of things. When she says "you're talking too much," it's just dawning on her that Garrus may be taking this more seriously.

I do prefer the "style" of ME1 relationships to the ME2 ones - I was positively gooey toward and about Kaidan. In the Garrus relationship, though, I can at least somewhat justify Shepard's behavior. Both Jacob and Thane feel oddly paced, because they get really emotional really quickly.

Modifié par CulturalGeekGirl, 15 mai 2011 - 10:54 .


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i'm imagining it right now.

its hot. :D

seriously though, if they made it very optional..... that would be nice. no more trapmances.

we need Kim back. she was totally against it too. we need dialogue wheel symbols

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Honestly, to me? Garrus' romance did seem like it was intended to be bi in the first place. Either the writer knew about the female turian design or it's an act of retroactive fridge brilliance, but female turians don't have fringes. Male turians do. While he could have been using 'fringe' as a comparison for hair, think about that the next time you hear that line.

Besides, I think the LGBT population deserve to have a bi love interest, even if it's Garrus. Believe it or not, there ARE gay fans of Garrus out there who want to romance Garrus with a male Shepard. They may not want to play as a Female Shepard for it and that's okay. Maybe they feel more comfortable playing a player character of their gender. And that's okay too.

And really, how should the way they play a game with a bi/gay Garrus affect how you play your game? If you're already romancing Garrus with a female Shepard, then voila! He's not bi in your game. If you're a dudebro, guess what? You can easily avoid any sort of romantic advancements if you just pay attention to the dialogue wheel (or if they enable a Dragon Age 2 system, any symbols that indicate a romance path).

It's not going to be that hard to avoid a gay/bi Garrus. But to say that the idea is "gross" and stuff is a huge insult to the gay gamers who've been wanting a M/M romance with him as much as the females among us -myself included- wanted a hetero romance with him from the very beginning of the franchise.

But that's only my opinion. I could be wrong.

Modifié par Meta Ray Mek, 15 mai 2011 - 10:57 .


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*Danny jump's from bedroom window*