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ciaweth

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IccaRa wrote...

Frankly, if someone freaks out over the possibility that a 'bro' might be hitting on them (ignoring the fact that ME romances are player-initiated), and this IRREVOCABLY DAMAGES THEIR PERCEPTION OF THE CHARACTER FOREVER!...

...their opinion isn't worth one damn to me.

I have no desire to coddle the thinly veiled homophobia of one player at the expense of a minority that has been left out and mistreated for far too long.

This.

It's really interesting how people were merely annoyed when Liara came on strong, but now that Garrus might be more open to more people than previous thought, there is a brick crapping party, with a hushed chorus of "I'm not homophobic, but Garrus can't be a bro if he also could consider a relationship with a male Shepard."

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I will concur that as long as they can do this without making Garrus OOC, I can accept it.  (actually, at the risk of saying too much in a thread such as this on the general forum...well, let me just say that I do not object to M/M pairings ;))

But OOC is a cardinal sin to me.  That's one thing I cannot tolerate.

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Agreed, going OOC would suck. But I really don't understand all the fretting. The writers are not going to make Garrus suddenly start humping maleShep's leg. FemShep had to basically hit Garrus over the head with a sledgehammer before he even considered the idea of getting together with her, so I see no evidence that the same writers who wrote ME2 Garrus will now change his character so that he shows up pantless, crying, and wearing a pink tutu in maleShep's cabin.

(Not that there's anything wrong with being pantless, crying, and pink-tutu'd. It's just not Garrus' style.)

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kglaser wrote...

I will concur that as long as they can do this without making Garrus OOC, I can accept it.  (actually, at the risk of saying too much in a thread such as this on the general forum...well, let me just say that I do not object to M/M pairings ;))

But OOC is a cardinal sin to me.  That's one thing I cannot tolerate.


Yes, it seems that we have to be very careful about what we say. Every time I've said I don't like a re-write for a character, I've been accused of being intolerant >.< 

So, let's discuss about turian tongues (or another interesting part of their anatomy). That's a lot better :lol:

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Hello Garrus fans! For those of you that do not peruse the main thread, thought you PC users should know that I'm currently working on a very high resolution (4096x4096) texture for Garrus and it will likely be finished by the end of the week.

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I hope you enjoy and I can't wait for Garrus in ME3!

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Bolboreta wrote...

So, let's discuss about turian tongues (or another interesting part of their anatomy). That's a lot better :lol:

 


...that their tongues have reach and flexibility? *is shot*


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i'm a rather large fan of turan tongues. i feel that they would be a bit like cat tongues. kinda rough and tickl-y.

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Mmm...looks good so far! :wub:

And I have to say, it seems like turian society would be certainly tolerant of same-gender relationships, due to their general philosophy of "if it doesn't interfere with your work, it doesn't bother anyone" (more so than, say, some cultures on earth, circa 2011). So I would be more likely to believe a M/M turian relationship than, say, a krogan M/M relationship (where fertility is low enough to start with and all resources would probably be encouraged towards reproduction).

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I love the colour. I really love it. Blue blood? Awesome. Blue.. err... parts of the body? I'm totally into this. I think their neck skin and the fleshy scars should be a little more blue, though.

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ciaweth wrote...

IccaRa wrote...

Frankly, if someone freaks out over the possibility that a 'bro' might be hitting on them (ignoring the fact that ME romances are player-initiated), and this IRREVOCABLY DAMAGES THEIR PERCEPTION OF THE CHARACTER FOREVER!...

...their opinion isn't worth one damn to me.

I have no desire to coddle the thinly veiled homophobia of one player at the expense of a minority that has been left out and mistreated for far too long.

This.

It's really interesting how people were merely annoyed when Liara came on strong, but now that Garrus might be more open to more people than previous thought, there is a brick crapping party, with a hushed chorus of "I'm not homophobic, but Garrus can't be a bro if he also could consider a relationship with a male Shepard."


That's a misinterpretation of some of the points being argued here, at least in my case; he can indeed be both and I've only seen a few "do not want" or "Garrus can't be" popping up here or there.  Many of us are simply concerned as to whether this can be done naturally rather than unnaturally.  As pointed out earlier, nobody wants Garrus becoming a Jacob where he's suddenly hitting on you when you want to engage in a regular conversation with the man.

I WANT an m/m Garrus.  BADLY.  More than any other feature of ME3.  I had to switch from maleShep to femShep in ME2 because it was the only way I could romance him, even if it meant not playing my gender.

But I do NOT want:
- ME1-styled surprise and unintended relationships.  Ashley raped me in one playthrough since I could not tell her no - I actually reloaded a save and left her to die on Virmire because there was nothing I could do to stop it from happening.
- a same-sex character hitting on me that I don't want hitting on me (go away, Thane, because I will like you far less); this sentiment comes from my experiences with Jacob as a femShep, but as a maleShep I would enjoy Garrus hitting on me a lot because I'm deeply into him.  But since many male gamers aren't into him in that way, it should occur until after a certain point in the relationship after it's been initiated.
- DA2-styled relationships where everyone is bisexual even if at times it seems to go against character
- Everyone suddenly willing to "get it on."  I would prefer dynamic and hard-fought relationships that MEAN something more than just physical pleasure, especially since all this is in the midst of a desperate war against a seemingly inevitable end.  Even though we want Garrus, we can't just suddenly have him right away.  Much as femShep had to develop a relationship with him, so should maleShep.

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ciaweth wrote...

IccaRa wrote...

Frankly, if someone freaks out over the possibility that a 'bro' might be hitting on them (ignoring the fact that ME romances are player-initiated), and this IRREVOCABLY DAMAGES THEIR PERCEPTION OF THE CHARACTER FOREVER!...

...their opinion isn't worth one damn to me.

I have no desire to coddle the thinly veiled homophobia of one player at the expense of a minority that has been left out and mistreated for far too long.

This.

It's really interesting how people were merely annoyed when Liara came on strong, but now that Garrus might be more open to more people than previous thought, there is a brick crapping party, with a hushed chorus of "I'm not homophobic, but Garrus can't be a bro if he also could consider a relationship with a male Shepard."


THIS.

It's homophobic to say the least, because it implies that a character can only be gay if they ACT gay, and that them being gay automatically throws them out of the friend zone.

Quite frankly, Garrus being open to a male Shepard as much as a female Shepard makes perfect sense to me. If he's willing to look past the fact that female Shepard has hair, five fingers, five toes, no mandibles, flat teeth, big eyes, smooth skin, no carapace, and that her bodily fluids coudl kill him, I think he's perfectly adult enough to ignore the fact that male Shepard has a penis. Seriously, y'all.

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ciaweth wrote...

Agreed, going OOC would suck. But I really don't understand all the fretting. The writers are not going to make Garrus suddenly start humping maleShep's leg. FemShep had to basically hit Garrus over the head with a sledgehammer before he even considered the idea of getting together with her, so I see no evidence that the same writers who wrote ME2 Garrus will now change his character so that he shows up pantless, crying, and wearing a pink tutu in maleShep's cabin.

(Not that there's anything wrong with being pantless, crying, and pink-tutu'd. It's just not Garrus' style.)


I think "fretting" is actually occurring because we all know the writers and devs love to stop by the forums and what some of us are trying to do is drop some veiled hints of what we're looking for.  So far we've shown that we don't want Garrus to be OOC, leg-humping, or being Jacoby.  And we've shown that we want deeper and meaningful relationships as male or female players with him (both our approval as well as showing how much we actually care about the character).

I mean, we all know BW will do him justice if he's an LI for maleShep, but we need to lend support and delve into what we're looking for/not looking for.

PSSSST . . .  BioWare. . . do it, we want an m/m relationship with Garrus <3

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JeanLuc761 wrote...

Hello Garrus fans! For those of you that do not peruse the main thread, thought you PC users should know that I'm currently working on a very high resolution (4096x4096) texture for Garrus and it will likely be finished by the end of the week.

-Hi-Res Vakarian Delight-

I hope you enjoy and I can't wait for Garrus in ME3!

Image IPB

#24514
RiotLaFontaine

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Siona wrote...

ciaweth wrote...

IccaRa wrote...

Frankly, if someone freaks out over the possibility that a 'bro' might be hitting on them (ignoring the fact that ME romances are player-initiated), and this IRREVOCABLY DAMAGES THEIR PERCEPTION OF THE CHARACTER FOREVER!...

...their opinion isn't worth one damn to me.

I have no desire to coddle the thinly veiled homophobia of one player at the expense of a minority that has been left out and mistreated for far too long.

This.

It's really interesting how people were merely annoyed when Liara came on strong, but now that Garrus might be more open to more people than previous thought, there is a brick crapping party, with a hushed chorus of "I'm not homophobic, but Garrus can't be a bro if he also could consider a relationship with a male Shepard."


THIS.

It's homophobic to say the least, because it implies that a character can only be gay if they ACT gay, and that them being gay automatically throws them out of the friend zone.

Quite frankly, Garrus being open to a male Shepard as much as a female Shepard makes perfect sense to me. If he's willing to look past the fact that female Shepard has hair, five fingers, five toes, no mandibles, flat teeth, big eyes, smooth skin, no carapace, and that her bodily fluids coudl kill him, I think he's perfectly adult enough to ignore the fact that male Shepard has a penis. Seriously, y'all.


Therein lies the difference: Garrus being open to your advances versus him coming on to you like Jacob does to femShep.

Open-Garrus = good
Jacob-Garrus = bad

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One's sexual orientation has little to do with whether it is more accepted or not by a society. You are either born orientation x or you are born orientation y (or z, or...er...well, you get the point :P). So unless people aren't simply born the way they are...it makes no difference what society they come from. Gay krogan, lesbian turian, bi drell, straight volus...the society doesn't matter. It's the person, the individual, and it's part of what makes them who they are. No amount of external pressure can change that.

Re: Turian tongues. Long, thick, textured...and prehensile? I can dream.

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Still catching up on the last 3 pages (damn forum has exploded with posts today hasn't it?) but wanted to say..

I always figured Garrus was Shepard-sexual. Not necessarily bi (or into humans, as he says) but he's willing to bend the rules for his only friend in the universe. That said, I hope they don't make things awkward for the folks who want their bromance (whether that be male or female Shepard) but some of Casey's other tweets make me hopeful that they are considering all the angles.

Also, the human Garrus.. while good.. kind of creeped me out and broke my brain.

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JeanLuc761 wrote...

Hello Garrus fans! For those of you that do not peruse the main thread, thought you PC users should know that I'm currently working on a very high resolution (4096x4096) texture for Garrus and it will likely be finished by the end of the week.

Image IPB

I hope you enjoy and I can't wait for Garrus in ME3!


Second best news of the day :D

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YES PREHENSILE TONGUES. please dear gods.

i knew this was gonna turn into an ethical debate. lol.

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leonia42 wrote...

Still catching up on the last 3 pages (damn forum has exploded with posts today hasn't it?) but wanted to say..

I always figured Garrus was Shepard-sexual. Not necessarily bi (or into humans, as he says) but he's willing to bend the rules for his only friend in the universe. That said, I hope they don't make things awkward for the folks who want their bromance (whether that be male or female Shepard) but some of Casey's other tweets make me hopeful that they are considering all the angles.

Also, the human Garrus.. while good.. kind of creeped me out and broke my brain.


LMAO, yes, that's exactly it. brb, find a way to fit Shepard-sexual into my everyday vocab.

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Eradyn wrote...


Long, thick, textured...and prehensile? I can dream.


Are we still talking about tongues? 

Modifié par Bolboreta, 16 mai 2011 - 03:42 .


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Bolboreta wrote...

Eradyn wrote...


Long, thick, textured...and prehensile? I can dream.


Are we still talking about tongues? 


Maaaybeee? Yes.  Yes we are. :P

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 Why can't he look like this in the comic? D=Image IPB

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Bolboreta wrote...

Eradyn wrote...


Long, thick, textured...and prehensile? I can dream.


Are we still talking about tongues? 



well...  dolphins... from what i've heard.   

so turians.... 

*brain-meltdown*

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Obsydian wrote...

Bolboreta wrote...

Eradyn wrote...


Long, thick, textured...and prehensile? I can dream.


Are we still talking about tongues? 



well...  dolphins... from what i've heard.   

so turians.... 

*brain-meltdown*


I like where this is going..plus didn't Weekes sort of confirm French kissing for turians? It would be so epic if just before a very dangerous fight (like the last boss of the game), instead of a headbump or a hug.. Garrus pulls Shepard in for a kiss. Not only isn't romantic and awesome, it's a good way to say "Hey we might die anyway might as well do this right".

I always figured intense kissing between a levo and dextro-based organism would be far more intimate and edgy than sex or anything else really. You know? Kind of dangerous and taboo-breaking. Totally Garrus' style.

Modifié par leonia42, 16 mai 2011 - 03:49 .


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leonia42 wrote...

I like where this is going..plus didn't Weekes sort of confirm French kissing for turians? It would be so epic if just before a very dangerous fight (like the last boss of the game), instead of a headbump or a hug.. Garrus pulls Shepard in for a kiss. Not only isn't romantic and awesome, it's a good way to say "Hey we might die anyway might as well do this right".

I always figured intense kissing between a levo and dextro-based organism would be far more intimate and edgy than sex or anything else really. You know? Kind of dangerous and taboo-breaking. Totally Garrus' style.


:wub:

They would have to work really hard to avoid clipping issues, but it would be totally worth it.