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[kglaser]

hehe, I always loved that one!!
my fav "itteh bitteh Elcor comitteh" XDDD

edit: top!


(and Obsy, we made up a religion a while back, it was called "Garrustianity", it had bananas and Mountain Dew for communion XD)

Modifié par kglaser, 16 mai 2011 - 05:12 .

[Obsydian]

i approve this religion. this is a good plan. i can't stop giggling. every time i look at that. i giggle harder. i may fall off the bed. lol.

i should go back to staring at half nekkid turians. this seems like a more productive use of my time.

[dannybates]

Hell yeah I would join Garrustianity

Obsydian wrote...
i should go back to staring at half nekkid turians. this seems like a more productive use of my time.

Half?

On a another note, this site is terrible when using a iPhone >__>

[Lady Olivia]

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

dannybates wrote...

Lady Olivia wrote...

Hi all. I have a noob question...

Eradyn wrote...

DH's repeated butchering of the ME universe and its characters is proof enough they aren't a reliable source for anything, while I would place far more weight on the information revealed in-game as that is established and controlled directly by BW.

What's DH?

Darth Hater so i believe

It's Dark Horse. They put out Mass Effect comics, and their drawings of characters and races have been criticized for being very inaccurate.

I'm too slow for this thread. Sorry for bringing this back up, but it peeked my curiosity.

If DH publishes comics which are endorsed by BW and written by people from BW, I don't see much room for doubting they are in fact canon?

[CulturalGeekGirl]

Lady Olivia wrote...

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

dannybates wrote...

Lady Olivia wrote...

Hi all. I have a noob question...

Eradyn wrote...

DH's repeated butchering of the ME universe and its characters is proof enough they aren't a reliable source for anything, while I would place far more weight on the information revealed in-game as that is established and controlled directly by BW.

What's DH?

Darth Hater so i believe

It's Dark Horse. They put out Mass Effect comics, and their drawings of characters and races have been criticized for being very inaccurate.

I'm too slow for this thread. Sorry for bringing this back up, but it peeked my curiosity.

If DH publishes comics which are endorsed by BW and written by people from BW, I don't see much room for doubting they are in fact canon?

The problem is that they show things like Garrus dual wielding pistols. So the idea isn't that the stories in them are inaccurate, more that the drawings are not the most accurate drawings.

So if you read that something happened in the Dark Horse novels, the even probably happened. However, there is a picture (quoted earlier in this thread) from the Dark Horse comics of Garrus dual wielding pistols. In the illustration he also doesn't have leg spurs, for some reason. So if you assumed every single drawing was literally cannon, you would assume that Garrus can now dual wield pistols and also lost his leg spikes in a horrible thresher maw accident. But no, in game he still has his leg spurs and can't dual wield, so you know that the Dark Horse drawings aren't entirely accurate.

In some of these Dark Horse illustrations, female turians are shown as having weird, blackish-green smooth skin on their heads and no facial markings whatsoever. In fact, in the Dark Horse illustrations, most of the Turian original characters do not have facial markings while the Codex indicates that the majority of Turians do have them.

So the idea is that they artists have been given very general directions, like "this guy should be shooting guns" and not "Garrus uses sniper rifles and assault rifles," and in some cases this results in inaccurate drawings, where some part of anatomy is omitted or drawn incorrectly. Some people have suggested that the female Turian could be similar to dual-wielding Garrus - a slight art mistake, based on an insufficiently fleshed out concept.

Or, to give another example of "cannon" illustrations differing from the final product: 

These are both pictures of Jacob Taylor, from officially licensed thingies: 


They're very different, some people think that female Turians could be different in the same way.

Modifié par CulturalGeekGirl, 16 mai 2011 - 09:54 .

[dannybates]

Is there any good Garrus Figurines ?

Commander Shepard Piano version by Choskar Chulian. Song can be found HERE

Please sub to him and fav 

Modifié par dannybates, 16 mai 2011 - 10:33 .

[magenator]

Wow I missed a massive discussion there, you guys have been busy xp

On the topic of s/s romance I guess I approve but it does seem a little odd suddenly making a character that throughout the series was portrayed as straight, gay but the ME universe needs more s/s romance so as long as it's done well and isn't to in your face I totally approve

Also I think the icon would be a little out of place, I was thinking they could possibly use a highlight, like they do with paragon/renegade choices, in pink over romance dialogue.

And on the topic of turian tongues and french kissing, I imagine french kissing is the only way turians kiss considering they have no lips XD Just make sure you avoid their teeth o.O

And this seems on the current topic haha

[Lady Olivia]

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

Lady Olivia wrote...

If DH publishes comics which are endorsed by BW and written by people from BW, I don't see much room for doubting they are in fact canon?

The problem is that they show things like Garrus dual wielding pistols. So the idea isn't that the stories in them are inaccurate, more that the drawings are not the most accurate drawings. 

I see what you mean, but I don't think I'd put the choice of weapons in the same category as inaccurate alien anatomy. As far as I remember, in ME2 cutscenes, everybody uses assault riffles, even if they can't really equip them during gameplay. It's just not very important. Methinks.

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...
 
Or, to give another example of "cannon" illustrations differing from the final product: 

These are both pictures of Jacob Taylor, from officially licensed thingies: 

Ok, now, that is a compelling argument. 

Modifié par Lady Olivia, 16 mai 2011 - 12:24 .

[DrBobcat]

I know I don't post in this thread too often, but I would like to give my opinion on the same-sex issue and, specifically, how it relates to Garrus.

Personally, I would be very pleased if Garrus became a m/m option in ME3. This is an opinion I've had for years now, but I've kept it to myself because I was uncertain how others would react. Garrus is an extremely popular character, after all, and one many hold in high esteem. That being said, I imagine most males would describe their attraction to him in purely platonic terms. They use words like "bro" and "best friend," not "boyfriend" or "lover." A significant number of people do not want to cross this line and I'm okay with that. What they do in their game is not my concern. That I'm not given the same amount of leeway, however, is my concern.

All romance content, regardless of type, is completely optional. If a player does not wish to experience such content, they can choose not to and will not be penalized in any way. There is no reason, in my opinion, why this system should change. Now, some individuals have mentioned "ninjamancing." This is a legitimate concern. I would be upset too if one of my characters was locked into a romance unwillingly. Even so, please try to keep the issues separate. A character's sexuality and the ambiguity of his/her dialogue options are two completely independent points of discussion. One is a matter of character development, the other a problem with the game's interface.

Fans are also worried that opening Garrus up to same-sex romance in ME3 would make continuing a friendship with him impossible. Again, the two are not necessarily related. If Bioware wanted to, they could write different sets of dialogue for each type of relationship. In fact, this seems to be exactly what they plan on doing. Shortly after confirming s/s content for ME3, Casey Hudson said, “[The] writing team has some great ideas for breaking the mold on char. interactions, which should add to non romance relationship[s].” (He also said this in response to concerns about character continuity: “I'm confident that our writing team will handle LI's in #ME3 with sophistication and preserve character continuity.”) Now, I may be biased, but this sounds like a win-win to me.

Finally, there are those who refuse to believe Garrus is (or could be) bisexual. In response, I can only ask, “How do you know?” I've been on this forum for years and have yet to hear a convincing argument for this claim. Yes, Garrus had sex with a female turian while serving in the military. This only proves that he's not a virgin. It is not a definitive statement on his sexuality. “But, Garrus is a badass vigilante with a cool voice and a dangerous past!” I completely agree. What's your point? Are you saying Garrus' personality precludes him from being bisexual? Why? What evidence do you have to back up this assertion? I'm willing to bet that this argument is entirely dependent on stereotypes. Stop. Stereotypes are rarely accurate and do not contribute to a healthy debate. Please, look up bisexuality in the dictionary and do some research before jumping to conclusions.

To be honest, I'm surprised we're even having this debate. Whether it's for romantic or platonic reasons, most of us here are fans of Garrus. Yet, if it weren't for the talented writers at Bioware, this thread wouldn't even exist. Why then do we assume the worst when it comes to this issue? The same developer that brought us Garrus Vakarian, the collar poppin', scopin' 'n dropin' stud we all love is suddenly going to drop the ball? Really? Really? Wow. I thought I was cynical...

- - - - - -

In less depressing news, I am currently in the process of commissioning a piece of fanart featuring Garrus and mShep. I'll post it as soon as it is finished, assuming I'm not lynched beforehand.

Also, someone in a different thread wrote a great post tackling many of the same issues discussed above. Please check it out.

Modifié par DrBobcat, 16 mai 2011 - 12:39 .

[kglaser]

OMG that's adorable!!

[Homebound]

kglaser wrote...

hehe, I always loved that one!!
my fav "itteh bitteh Elcor comitteh" XDDD

edit: top!


(and Obsy, we made up a religion a while back, it was called "Garrustianity", it had bananas and Mountain Dew for communion XD)

www.youtube.com/watch

[Collider]

I prefer that keep the apparent sexualities of the existing characters intact. If they are going to add new love interest(s) (there's apparently some ambiguity regarding whether they are) to begin with and they also want to add new M/M and F/F content, do so with the new love interests.

My primary concern regarding making Garrus or whomever available for the same sex is that the current nature of the relatonship is not automatically disturbed to achieve this. I want the platonic friendship with Garrus to be maintained and for romance not to enter it, if I so desire. The reason is not that I am homophobic (far from), but that I want the type of relationship that I've already established with these characters to continue.

[kglaser]

Gah, for some reason I can't edit my prior post...when I said "that's adorable", I was talking about the picture with the flowers

[Homebound]

also finding out every person u run into is bisexual and is willing to get it on with you tends to break the illusion.

[Eradyn]

dannybates wrote...

Is there any good Garrus Figurines ?

Commander Shepard Piano version by Choskar Chulian. Song can be found HERE

Please sub to him and fav 

There was an official Garrus figurine in the works...and then DC Direct were douches and now there currently isn't one.

Re S/S Romances: I made a comprehensive poll for this which is linked in my Sig. Restating my opinion...I personally support creating new LIs with homosexual and/or bisexual orientations. I do not support changing the orientation of previously established LIs. I certainly don't support a DA2ification of LIs.

Modifié par Eradyn, 16 mai 2011 - 12:55 .

[Leonia]

@DrBobcat: A well-thought out post but it seems like you're picking up on things that just aren't there.. or at least view points that haven't been expressed in this thread. I don't think any of us would be too upset if Garrus becomes a s/s option for male Shepards.. we're only concerned that it would break character (well, some are, I'm not). As you said, for all we know, he's already bisexual (or as I like to say, "Shepard-sexual") and there's no reason to doubt the writers now. You probably will see fires and complaints on the suject in the rest of the forum but I like to think those of us who post here are a bit more mature and respectful of differing sexual orientations.

I still interpret the "I won't pretend I have a fetish for humans but.." line to be one implying that he's willing to bend the rules for Shepard alone, regardless of gender.

[Surmansuuhun]

leonia42 wrote...

@DrBobcat: A well-thought out post but it seems like you're picking up on things that just aren't there.. or at least view points that haven't been expressed in this thread. I don't think any of us would be too upset if Garrus becomes a s/s option for male Shepards.. we're only concerned that it would break character (well, some are, I'm not). As you said, for all we know, he's already bisexual (or as I like to say, "Shepard-sexual") and there's no reason to doubt the writers now. You probably will see fires and complaints on the suject in the rest of the forum but I like to think those of us who post here are a bit more mature and respectful of differing sexual orientations.

I still interpret the "I won't pretend I have a fetish for humans but.." line to be one implying that he's willing to bend the rules for Shepard alone, regardless of gender.

This. I know people on fight for the love have had to well, fight for their views, but you don't have to fight on this thread. We're pretty accepting people here. We kind of have to be.

[DrBobcat]

Surmansuuhun wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

@DrBobcat: A well-thought out post but it seems like you're picking up on things that just aren't there.. or at least view points that haven't been expressed in this thread. I don't think any of us would be too upset if Garrus becomes a s/s option for male Shepards.. we're only concerned that it would break character (well, some are, I'm not). As you said, for all we know, he's already bisexual (or as I like to say, "Shepard-sexual") and there's no reason to doubt the writers now. You probably will see fires and complaints on the suject in the rest of the forum but I like to think those of us who post here are a bit more mature and respectful of differing sexual orientations.

I still interpret the "I won't pretend I have a fetish for humans but.." line to be one implying that he's willing to bend the rules for Shepard alone, regardless of gender.

This. I know people on fight for the love have had to well, fight for their views, but you don't have to fight on this thread. We're pretty accepting people here. We kind of have to be.

I apologize if I seemed hostile. You are right, though. It is rare that I run into people so tolerant and open-minded. Even the Garrus appreciation threads haven't always been a safe haven for someone with my views. I am glad to see that has changed and, again, apologize for assuming otherwise.

Also, I want to make it clear that I do not want Garrus to be a same-sex romance in ME3 if his character is compromisd in the process. I've said this from the beginning: do it right or don't do it all. It's just that I, unlike some (outside this thread), believe Bioware can pull it off.

Take care, everyone.

[Bugsie]

Nicely put Dr B. I like how chill Garrus fans are, and this thread (oh and of course Clan V).

Here have one of my faves: I hate husks, by rabbitzoro

[Twilight_Princess]

I was reluctant to comment on this issue only because I was worried my opinion would get thrown in with the trollish comments I've seen on other parts of the boards. It's hard to express (what I think is) valid criticism when you have idiots spouting hate left and right but I'll say what I think anyway.

At this point in the series I think it is a bit late for established characters who have ONLY shown interest in the opposite sex to become Bi. I feel I have to make this clear though, just because a character doesn’t blunty say “I’m straight” doesn’t mean they are secretly Bi or that it’s fair to be dismissive of the current orientation they have shown so far. Would it be fair to be dismissive of a character who has only expressed interest to their own sex and call them a closet straight or Bi just because they didn’t officially announce they were gay in a clear and obvious way?

I hate being critical about this because I want m/m romance and I know people want it with garrus but at the same time I think continuity is important.  I want what happened in ME2 to be relevant also, ME2 was all about garrus considering something different then he’s used to (so if he was BI it SHOULD have happened here)and it was also about getting the interspecies problem out of the way so it didn’t need to be the focus for ME3. This to me was a crucial point in the development so if maleshep “starts” a romance with him in 3 does all that need repeating or will it be ignored?

It’s not even about the sex of the shepard really because I would still think it would be strange to be able to “start” a romance with him in 3 anyway (problem of repeating the interspecies bit or the problem of totally ignoring it). I just want the romance to “carry on” at this point and have the focus be on that.

Modifié par Hyrule_Gal, 16 mai 2011 - 01:52 .

[Bolboreta]

DrBobcat wrote...

I apologize if I seemed hostile. You are right, though. It is rare that I run into people so tolerant and open-minded. Even the Garrus appreciation threads haven't always been a safe haven for someone with my views. I am glad to see that has changed and, again, apologize for assuming otherwise.

Also, I want to make it clear that I [/i]do [i]not want Garrus to be a same-sex romance in ME3 if his character is compromisd in the process. I've said this from the beginning: do it right or don't do it all. It's just that I, unlike some (outside this thread), believe Bioware can pull it off.

Take care, everyone.

I have a lot of faith in Bioware too. I want same sex romances and choices for everyone. I don't like the idea of re-writing characters, but if everyone is changed to bi, I hope they do it well enough. 

To me, it's a matter of soundness? I always thought ME1 romances made more sense without Tali and Garrus as LIs. Kaidan already knew Shepard and Ashley met him in the first moment of the Eden Prime mission, so they had plenty of time to talk and that. Liara was a naive asari interested in relationships because she wasn't experienced at all. That's ok.

In ME2, Tali and Garrus developed their friendship with Shepard and they could be something else. Perfect too. If they were bi, I can't see any reason why they didn't show it up. I tend to think in the future sexual orientation won't be a taboo for anyone, so if people say they weren't confortable with the idea of a same sex romance in ME2 but they changed their minds in ME3, I think I don't share their point of view. 

Of course, it's all my opinion. I won't be mad if they make same sex romances with current LIs, I really hope they create new gay/lesbian LIs (not only bis), but I can have my own opinion about what I think would be a retcon. 

@Hyrule, that's it.

Modifié par Bolboreta, 16 mai 2011 - 02:03 .

[Leonia]

We don't know yet how they will handle the same-sex thing. It could be two new squad-mates that happen to be bi/gay (one for each gender). I think when we consider them rewriting some of the current LIs it's kind of a "worse case scenario" sort of deal.. "What if they don't bring in new characters for s/s? Will my current straight romances be affected?" Granted, I feel for the "Fight for the Love" crowd, really, and I want them to have as many opportunities as the rest of us have. Some previous LIs will be easier to rewrite as gay/bi than others, especially ones that never really make their sexual preference known.

As far as I am concerned, Garrus' sexuality is never explicitly stated. I would not view any "changes" there as a retcon. Of course, anyone who starts a romance with him in ME3 is going to have to go through the interspecies awkward thing, may as well give the guys a chance as well as the ladies (if there's enough resources and high-quality writing to pull both off). It shouldn't impact those of us who are already locked in with our ME2 imports.

Really, I'd like to see both sides of the debate be happy but at the end of the day.. romances are always optional and we can't expect the devs to cater to everyone (and let's hope they don't try to use the DA2 "shortcut"). I won't be upset one way or the other since I am already comfortable with my FemShep and Garrus romance but I do hope things get better for those wanting s/s, especially the guys.

Modifié par leonia42, 16 mai 2011 - 02:42 .

[Chewin]

Personally, I don't want a romance option with Garrus. It's basically b/c of the "bromance" I have with him. Just like most people on this forum doesn't want BW to go the same direction as they did with DA2. Turning everyone bi is just cheap. It ruins their character. Okay, no one has ever said in ME that "I'm straight" but we just asume b/c of how they interact with Shepard and other people. I.d. take Kaidan, he is very open to MaleShep, but seems nervous when he is with FemShep. Sama thing with Garrus. But this is just my opinion.

But a m/m romance with Garrus could also be a very good thing. Heck, I even think it could possibly end up as the best romance of them all. They have been friends througout ME1 and 2 and and have build up a very strong bond between them. When I see it this way, it doesn't sound that bad. I might actually just do a rerun with a gay Shep if I hear that it's a very good romance.

[Collider]

That's my primary concern - if the friendship with Garrus was harmed or shoved aside in some way if he's made available to male Shepard.

[ThatDancingTurian]

Hyrule_Gal wrote...

It’s not even about the sex of the shepard really because I would still think it would be strange to be able to “start” a romance with him in 3 anyway (problem of repeating the interspecies bit or the problem of totally ignoring it). I just want the romance to “carry on” at this point and have the focus be on that.

I think you hit the nail on the head as far as my own concerns. This whole 'new entry points' thing alone has got me spooked. Think about it. 9 romances + 9 'new' romances by way of new entry points + variations based on gender + possible NEW character romances... And we thought their dialogues were stretched thin with 6 in ME2. People tend to be thinking 'awesome' when something new about romances comes up, but my thought is, "Is this going to take away from the resources for my romance?"

And starting up a new romance in the third game is going to have to either ignore the issues presented in the previous one(s) or retread old ground and waste time. It just seems like the last game is a horrible time to add in some new features.

Basically this is my problem every time Casey announces something awesome anymore, I have to think, "So how are you going to DO that without half-assing it?" ... I'm just starting to get worried, it all sounds like so, so much, and while it all sounds awesome I'm beginning to feel like it's too good to be true. They're 'shooting' for the same length game as ME2, plus many more characters to work in AND an epic story. And they're only half-way done, apparently. My paranoia sense is going off.

'Shepardsexual' is a good way to put it. The DA2 LIs were fine with me, though, I fully believed everyone wanted Hawke.

Does anyone else think this probably wouldn't be as much of an issue if not for Anders? The one BioWare character that was completely awesome and then came back as an M/M option, but he also came back with the biggest, most irritating retcon to his personality ever. I know those two things aren't related, but I can't help but think subconsciously it may be why I'm bristling, given it's my only frame of reference for this situation.

If they handle it like Fenris I'm fine with it. Fenris I think was a perfect example aside from the fact that he could end up with Isabela if you didn't romance him (though, it's Isabela. She has some magic power to make anyone go for her), which if you romance him wouldn't even be your personal canon. His orientation was a non-issue; he loved Hawke regardless. And yet, him being an M/M option didn't seem to be as much of a problem to the straight male gamers as Anders, because he didn't initiate any flirting like Anders did.

Modifié par Aris Ravenstar, 16 mai 2011 - 03:56 .