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[dannybates]

i just need a few minutes to recollect myself or im going to pass out.

[JeffZero]

I feel like reposting this for how utterly ridiculous it is. It's a parody of Dylan's, Hendrix's and McCreary's "All Along The Watchtower" and it's the byproduct of a long day at work for yours truly.

Apologies in advance.

"There must be female turians out there,"
Said Joker to EDI
"The lack is confusing,
It suspends my belief
Vakarian says they look fine,
For whatever that's worth
None to be found on the line, extranet search absurd, hey."

"No reason to be shortsighted,"
The AI bluntly spoke
"There are many on Palaven,
Or if not that is a joke
The Normandy will arrive at,
Palaven in months-eight
So let us discuss hips and hair, in order to speculate."

Palaven's got turians,
Both genders -- this is true
There's all the women -- represent,
Barefoot turians, too.

Logistic assistance,
That female turians prowl
Normandy was approaching,
Garrus fans begin to howl

Modifié par JeffZero, 19 mai 2011 - 12:20 .

[Platform_Error]

@dannybates I'm in the middle of reading that last fic you recommended, it's fantastic! Thank you!

@JeffZero :lol:those lyrics! I'm belly laughing over here. Nice work!!

[JeffZero]

Platform_Error wrote...
@JeffZero :lol:those lyrics! I'm belly laughing over here. Nice work!!

Awesome. Thanks. 

[ArcanaLegacy]

XDDDD I had a great day at work [completely dead] and i come here to catch up on the thread and read jeff's rhyming post. LOL!!! Thanks for that.

As i said im catching up on the thread - I too want to add my 2cents on the topic about Saleon/Sidonis situation:
For saleon: I didnt let him kill him right off the bat. I actually thought id get a chance to somehow torture him myself XD lol! but in all seriousness - it was more about teaching a lesson than just killing a doctor gone mad. I very much liked Garrus' response in the paragon outcome. It ended up being a lesson. Shep teaching him that you can change how others can react and Garrus saying how "he's never met anyone like her."- in a good way. Im glad we got to kill him though. I was hoping that bastard would die. But also its just that going all out killing spree isnt the right way to get vengeance all the time. You can use other methods to get the desired results. Thats what my Shepard wants to teach Garrus. He has options.

With the Sidonis situation - i didnt let Garrus kill him. I personally TRULY believed that letting him live was a far worse punishment. Sidonis himself said "Sometimes....I just want it to be over.". Well too bad. He's already dead anyways. Just a shell of the person he used to be. I consider letting him live was a pure renegade option. Every soldier has to live with the consequences they do while on duty. Its comes with the duty of being one. Like a true testament of strength. It'll either make or break the person you are. Of course - Sidonis...well- he cracked. And ultimately - i dont want Garrus to think that just killing is the only way to get things done. He seems to have that stuck in his head, but than again - its no thanks to the strict Csec rules and regulations. I use renegade interrupts myself all the time. 
Anyways - i think the whole sidonis situation was far more personal obviously, seeing as he was betrayed by not only someone from his squad, but a turian as well. Garrus seems to have a particular grudge against turians that go rogue to some degree. He expressed how he truly disdained Saren going rogue and found it unacceptable. He really wanted to bring him down, and now with Sidonis - it was like it was happening all over again.And the fact Garrus keeps thinking it was his fault for what happened, since he was their leader and all. As if thinking he failed as being leader for lack of judgement. I dont think Sidonis was evil, he was just a coward. Why he ended up joining Garrus' squad leaves me baffled because he mustve known the risks to joining a vilgilante crew - unless he was just that ignorant. So having ran off to save his own skin, i felt like shooting him myself but my Shepard is the kind of person that perfers to find out everything before giving judgement. Having Garrus listen to Sidonis' "confession" ultimately made Garrus make a choice. I liked how he ended up telling him to go. And even later saying how he couldnt pul the trigger when he had him in his sights because he still saw some good in him. My Shepard is trying to teach Garrus to be the better person. ANYONE can just straight up shoot someone. But it takes so much more to see what really matters and how it should be handled.  

wow, ok - ill shut up now XD

Modifié par ArcanaLegacy, 19 mai 2011 - 03:14 .

[JeffZero]

That was a fun post to read, Arcana. No need to shut up.

Sometimes I think Garrus loathes those who abuse their power to such a degree because they're living examples of the bad side of his desire to have no rules between him and an investigation. What happens when the wrong people get to take their gloves off? That's probably something that offends him to the bone because he wants his own gloves to be off but lo and behold, there are rogue Spectres and doctors with entirely too much 'freedom' and backstabbing bastards.

[Lyxiss]

New article.

There will be same sex romance in ME3.

http://www.pcgamer.c...name=0&ns_fee=0

Modifié par Corrence, 19 mai 2011 - 03:28 .

[Lyxiss]

Please oh please i hope it's not Garrus, i feel like it might screw the whole character
Its probably Kaidan and Ash though...

Modifié par Corrence, 19 mai 2011 - 03:32 .

[MoonEcho]

Corrence wrote...

it might screw the whole character

No, too many clipping issues.

[JeffZero]

Corrence wrote...

Please oh please i hope it's not Garrus, i feel like it might screw the whole character
Its probably Kaidan and Ash though...

Many have theorized it will be new characters only.

[Lyxiss]

MoonEcho wrote...

Corrence wrote...

it might screw the whole character

No, too many clipping issues.

? Im not sure of what you mean
Sorry Im french....

[Lyxiss]

JeffZero wrote...

Corrence wrote...

Please oh please i hope it's not Garrus, i feel like it might screw the whole character
Its probably Kaidan and Ash though...

Many have theorized it will be new characters only.

Well in the article it says its going to be some already existing romances but with more options....Including a M/M and a F/F relationship.

I just dont want them to say: "Oh well the most popular romances are Tali and Garrus, so how about they become gay out of nowhere.... -_-"

That would just feel...wrong.

Modifié par Corrence, 19 mai 2011 - 03:46 .

[MoonEcho]

Don't mind me at all. I'm just being very silly.

Hey, look over there! A distraction!

[Obsydian]

Lady Olivia wrote...

Obsydian wrote...

Shepard/Nihlus.    seriously. its amazing. 

Thanks for recommending this. It really is amazing. Beats the official game novels in every aspect, from characterization and humor and buildup of emotions to tech-talk and action sequences. Hats off to the author.

no problem. that story has become my new headcanon.  

also  LOL at Moon. yes clipping issues. 

and i so don't want to get into the Garrus m/m thing again. *shudders*

lastly. I MANAGED TO GET MIRI KILLED.  *sorry for those that like her. but.... i dont. and this has been my goal. *

edit:  OMG what a hot picture of Chellick!  i approve so hard. 

Modifié par Obsydian, 19 mai 2011 - 03:49 .

[kglaser]

Obsydian wrote...
I MANAGED TO GET MIRI KILLED.

...

TELL ME HOW.  PLZ.

[Obsydian]

kglaser wrote...

Obsydian wrote...
I MANAGED TO GET MIRI KILLED.

...

TELL ME HOW.  PLZ.

she was unloyal... and um. yeah. I had Garrus as fire team leader both times, and then brought Garrus and Legion with me. So ... um, i'm not sure?   she died. at least, I'm assuming it was her. as there was a coffin in the cargo hold, and she wasn't amongst the people there. And everyone else was loyal and accounted for. I'm so pleased. 
also. this.  

[kglaser]

OMG what an awesome picture of awesomeness!!

[AdmiralCheez]

Good insight, Jeff.

Me, personally? I usually try to get Garrus to cool down and take Dr. Saleon in instead of shooting him on the spot because I don't want him to start thinking that he's qualified to judge and execute people based on what he feels. It's one thing to be above the law, but to think you are the law? That's dangerous thinking, the kind that turns heroes into villains. Even most of my renegades recognize that Garrus shouldn't be running around thinking he is authorized to make such final judgments, especially since he's young and emotional. Granted, there are exceptions, but that's roleplaying for you. After all, Saleon's a monster of the worst kind who only escaped the law because he got lucky--the galaxy's better off without him.

With Sidonis, however, the issue is slightly more nuanced. I am fairly certain that anyone in Garrus' position would want to make that traitor hurt for what he's done, and who am I to force my own will and morals on a friend who deserves closure, especially when I'd probably do the same thing if I were him? But here's the deal: Garrus is going out of his way to track down and murder this guy, leaving a trail of corpses behind him, and is willing to impersonally execute him in a public place without so much as making eye contact. I'm sorry, but doesn't that sound a little batsh*t insane to you? Yeah, if it were my friends dead, I'd want nothing more than to kill the bastard myself, but I'd sure as hell want someone to stop me because allowing myself to become a monster for the sake of vengeance would be a greater insult to their memory than letting the coward live.

Yes, killing Sidonis may be an act of mercy since he's clearly suffering, but again Garrus is assuming the dual role of judge and executioner, and he's going out of his way to do it intentionally. I didn't agree with his decision to go to Omega in the first place, but at least there he was standing up for the helpless and making life hell for legitimately dangerous people. Sidonis, unlike the gangs of Omega, has no power nor a desire to do harm to others, and all killing him would do would bring maybe a little peace of mind. And really, is that peace of mind worth taking another step down the road to crazy-ass, murderous douchedom? Yeah, maybe Garrus would never sink that far, but the potential for him to do so is definitely there.

His compassion for others is the only thing that sets him apart from the worst of villains. Once that is gone, once he stops seeing the good in the world and the little things worth fighting for, what's left? I'm not sure what it is exactly, but it's ugly, destructive, and definitely not the guy I met on the way to a Council meeting back in 2183.

[Obsydian]

AdmiralCheez wrote...


Yes, killing Sidonis may be an act of mercy since he's clearly suffering, but again Garrus is assuming the dual role of judge and executioner, and he's going out of his way to do it intentionally. I didn't agree with his decision to go to Omega in the first place, but at least there he was standing up for the helpless and making life hell for legitimately dangerous people. Sidonis, unlike the gangs of Omega, has no power nor a desire to do harm to others, and all killing him would do would bring maybe a little peace of mind. And really, is that peace of mind worth taking another step down the road to crazy-ass, murderous douchedom? Yeah, maybe Garrus would never sink that far, but the potential for him to do so is definitely there.

His compassion for others is the only thing that sets him apart from the worst of villains. Once that is gone, once he stops seeing the good in the world and the little things worth fighting for, what's left? I'm not sure what it is exactly, but it's ugly, destructive, and definitely not the guy I met on the way to a Council meeting back in 2183.

all of this.  VERY much all of this. so true and a thing that i kinda considered.  its so true what Shepard says to him, "this isn't you either."   and i think he finally realizes it when he looks at the broken thing that Sidonis has become and realizes that he's going to kill a man in cold-blood.  

also, yeah kg. she's amazing. also, taking requests.    i've requested much Nihlus and more Garrus.   Artist of coolness. 

[Leonia]

ElectricZ wrote..

So in my view, this actually helped Garrus because it gave him closure, and a sense that he was able to be there for his squad when was unable to be there before.

I honestly sat there and sweated it out, but in the end, it boiled down to what I said before. Garrus had made the decision to kill Sidonis. I backed him up. I'd have bought him a bottle afterwards and let him spill his guts, and if he thought he made the wrong decision I would have helped him through it without judging him because I understood completely what he was thinking.

But I think for someone who is so focused on justice, Sidonis was just another notch on his rifle stock and a burn mark on his visor. As his friend, my Shep felt the need to respect that, and reciprocate for all the times he did the same.

Yep, this is how my Shepard approached it. I deliberately try to keep Garrus and Shepard at opposite ends of the morality scale, she needs someone who will stand up to her and provide a different prospective (even if that person is her LI). And closure? Oh man, that whole mission was about getting closure more than it was about "saving" Garrus from himself. And anyway, if he does start walking down that dark road.. she'll be there to walk at his side and pull him out of the fire again. She would have done the same as him on Omega, betrayal is never easy to forgive or ignore (not that Garrus has to really do either by letting Sidonis live, but that's how Shepard would view it).

Someone asked earlier if your Shepard's morality has changed over the games and mine definitely has. She started out as a Sole-Survivor/Earthborn attempting to make a difference in the galaxy, wanting to make up for her rough childhood and do some good. But as time went on (she was totally paragon in ME1), she became disillusioned by those she used to look up to and trust and working with Cerberus really made her take a second look at the whys and the hows of every mission she went on. She slipped to the Paragade path, which was helped a lot by Garrus' loyalty mission (one of the few loyalties where she chose the renegade option).

In ME3, I intend to go more Paragade, maybe even Renegade by the end and it will be up to a fully Renegade Garrus to decide if that's a good or bath thing. At first she was teaching and saving him, maybe he'll be the one to save her in the end? Honestly, I see Shepard slipping more to the "dark side" than Garrus. Garrus has, for my games because I have always kept him on one morality path, been at least consistent and his core beliefs haven't truly changed (even if you paragon him, he only has a new perspective but he still acts generally the same and hasn't changed much).

Modifié par leonia42, 19 mai 2011 - 04:39 .

[JeffZero]

I was drumming up initial thoughts for a high-brow response to the high-brow Garrus discussion going on but then Arcian stopped by and gave me a +Infinity. So now I'm just basking in the coolness of that for a while.

[Leonia]

It's cool, the "What did you do on the loyalty mission?" thing comes and goes but Arcian's comments last forever.

[JeffZero]

XD

End of the day, I think the bottom line is that I find Garrus' loyalty mission in ME2 to be one of the most intriguing and frustrating. This is a dangerous chemical combination if ever there were one, but the end result is oddly satisfying.

The only other choice I feel as conflicted by is Legion's.

[AdmiralCheez]

JeffZero wrote....

The only other choice I feel as conflicted by is Legion's.

Argh dammit stupid geth making me feel morally conflicted...