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[Pacifien]

I guess I should do an update on combinations I've done.

1) When I first started testing, I did every combination with Thane once. This eventually led me to additional testing that led me to believe Tali would always be caught when falling down the platforms. But when I asked if this was actually the case in the Tali support group, they mentioned it wasn't and mentioned the icon thing to me, which is something I kinda knew about but figured if I chose Thane first every time, his icon would be in the same place every time. Which is not the case.
     a) This initial testing is when I noticed whoever handed you the device was the person you were going to catch.
     I also noticed there seemed to be an order to who gave you the status report and who was catching you on the Normandy.
     c) Other combinations tested initially were Grunt/Garrus, Grunt/Jack, Grunt/Jacob, Grunt/Kasumi, Grunt/Tali, Kasumi/Tali

Then I had to toss most of those findings out the window.

2) Combinations tested since then, keeping the order of the icons in mind this time...
Note 1: I had to toss out any results that didn't tell me where the icons were, sorry to those who gave me those.
Note 2: Unless otherwise stated, all the results have been consistent with the known pattern.
     The Known Pattern: Icon on the Right is being caught by Shepard; One catching Shepard fits with an priority list that is being determined.
Note 3: Collider pointed out that the person holding the omnitool was also the icon on the left, though Miranda is the exception.
     - Garrus/Grunt (also tested by Bhatair, Grunt spoke up about the base)
     - Garrus/Legion (tested by Bhatair)
     - Garrus/Miranda (tested by sialater)
     - Garrus/Mordin (tested by Bhatair)
     - Garrus/Tali (also tested by Collider and battlechantress*)
     - Garrus/Thane (also tested by sialater)
     - Grunt/Garrus (tested by Bhatair)
     - Grunt/Jack
     - Grunt/Legion (Grunt spoke up first about the base)
     - Jack/Tali (tested by battlechantress*)
     - Jack/Thane (also tested by Kim Shepard, Thane speaks up about the base)
     - Jacob/Samara (Jacob spoke up first about the base)
     - Jacob/Thane
     - Kasumi/Garrus (tested by Lt. Davo)
     - Kasumi/Mordin
     - Kasumi/Thane
     - Legion/Tali (tested by Bhatair)
     - Legion/Thane
     - Miranda/Tali (tested by battlechantress)
     - Mordin/Jacob (tested by Collider)
     - Mordin/Kasumi
     - Mordin/Thane
     - Mordin/Zaeed (tested by Collider, Zaeed spoke up first about the base)
     - Morinth/Thane (tested by FieryPhoenix7)
     - Samara/Thane (Thane speaks up first about the base)
     - Tali/Garrus
     - Tali/Jack (tested by Kim Shepard, Tali spoke up about the base)
     - Tali/Mordin (tested by Collider*, Bhatair*)
     - Tali/Samara (tested by Collider, Bhatair)
     - Tali/Thane (Thane speaks up about the base)
     - Thane/Garrus (tested by Kim Shepard)
     - Thane/Grunt
     - Thane/Jack (tested by Kim Shepard, Thane speaks up about the base)
     - Thane/Jacob (also tested by Kim Shepard, Thane speaks up first about the base)
     - Thane/Miranda (also tested by Kim Shepard**, Thane speaks up first about the base)
     - Thane/Mordin
     - Thane/Morinth (tested by FieryPhoenix7)
     - Zaeed/Garrus (tested by Collider, Zaeed spoke up first)
     - Zaeed/Mordin (Zaeed spoke up first about the base)
     - Zaeed/Tali (tested by Bhatair)
     - Zaeed/Thane

* Results provided by another player were incongruous with the expected results
     - Garrus/Tali - battlechantress says Tali was the icon on the right, but she caught Garrus falling off the platform
     - Jack/Tali - battlechantress has Jack catching Shepard; other testing had shown that Grunt would catch Shepard versus Jack; Tali would catch Shepard versus Grunt
          - If there's an order to who will catch Shepard, it should have gone Tali > Grunt > Jack
          - battlechantress also says Jack handed Shepard the device for the base even though Tali is who Shepard caught
     - Tali/Mordin - Collider has Mordin pulling Shepard into the Normandy, Bhatair has Tali pulling Shepard into the Normandy
** Tested with Miranda dying to see if Thane would pull Shepard into the Normandy

Modifié par Pacifien, 30 juin 2010 - 08:35 .

[Jackal904]

So the person on the left of the forward slash is the one you catch? I'm confused.

Oh and in every playthrough I bring Jack and Legion with me to the reaper baby. Jack is on the left and Legion is on the right. I catch Jack and Legion is the one who helps me up into the Normandy. This happens everytime.

Modifié par Jackal904, 30 juin 2010 - 01:40 .

[Lt Davo]

This is more than you asked for, but I figured if I'm taking notes, I'm taking notes.

Kasumi and Garrus were my squad throughout the whole suicide mission. I always chose Garrus first at the squad selection screen, and he was on the right for all of the combat. I didn't die or reload.

* * * Oculus * * *
 Garrus advised using heavy weapons.
 Kasumi pointed out the heavy weapon ammo.
 Garrus commented after I killed the oculus.
 
* * * Infiltration * * *
 Kasumi hopped out of the Normandy before Garrus.
 Kasumi pointed out the 1st wave of reinforcements.
 Garrus pointed out the 1st ventilation valve.
 Garrus pointed out the 2nd wave of reinforcements.
 After valve 6, Garrus, then Kasumi, pointed out the reinforcements.
 Garrus passed through the door first.
 Garrus pointed out the additional pods.
 Kasumi broke open the bald guy's pod.
 Garrus freed sweet Kelly from her pod.
 In the wide group scene, Kasumi stood to Garrus's right, which was in back from the camera's perspective.

* * * Long Walk * * *
 Garrus urged me to hurry inside.
 Kasumi entered first.
 Kasumi was shown in the foreground covering Jacob as he came in with the fire team.

* * * Reaper Fight * * *
 Kasumi was first to jump up beside me.
 Garrus was first to say he was ready.
 Garrus was in the frame when Shepard said goodbye to the teammates on the line.
 Garrus pointed out the first platform of hostiles.
 Garrus pointed out another pair of platforms of hostiles.
 When Shepard saw the Reaper for the first time, Garrus was standing behind him, to his left, and Kasumi behind him, to his right.
 On the subtitles, Garrus pointed out the incoming hostiles, but I didn't hear him (Harbinger was talking).
 Garrus told me to shoot the tubes the first time.
 Kasumi told me to shoot the tubes the second time.
 (I had the particle beam and shot two tubes each time, so that was that.)
 Garrus stood at the edge of the platform and watched the Reaper fall.
 Thane answered the phone. WAZAAAAAP!
 Kasumi played the Illusive Man's call.
 Garrus agreed with TIM that I shouldn't destroy the base.
 Garrus set me up the bomb.
 Garrus slid off the platform, and I pulled him up.
 I pulled Garrus out of the wreckage first.
 Kasumi was in front of the race back to the Normandy, but Garrus beat her there by a step.
 Kasumi pulled Shepard into the Normandy.

[Pacifien]

Jackal904 wrote...
So the person on the left of the forward slash is the one you catch? I'm confused.

Oh and in every playthrough I bring Jack and Legion with me to the reaper baby. Jack is on the left and Legion is on the right. I catch Jack and Legion is the one who helps me up into the Normandy. This happens everytime.

The person on the right is who you should catch. If Jack's icon is on the left and she's the person you're catching, then that's placed under the anomaly category. Who's helping you up into the Normandy is apparently unrelated to their icon positions, there is another order for that.

[Pacifien]

Lt Davo wrote...
This is more than you asked for, but I figured if I'm taking notes, I'm taking notes.
*snip notes*

I've actually got a lot more notes than I've listed, partly because they're indecipherable now and mostly because I was inconsistent about it. One thing you didn't mention was whose icon was on the left or right of the screen. I'm assuming from the results you posted that the order goes Kasumi/Garrus. I'd also expect Kasumi to pull Shepard into the Normandy, but this is a part of testing that I haven't actually analyzed completely yet.

[Maera Imrov]

It's been months on end since I played through the game, but my FemShep *was* caught by Thane. I don't remember which icons were where at the time, but I do know I had Jack with me, as I took Jack and Thane to the final battle. I tend to pick Thane first when making my party, if that helps any with knowing where his icon was. In any case, he was the one that fell when the platforms went trippy, and he was also the one to catch Shepard.

[Kim Shepard]

The results of my latest playthrough:

Thane was left, Jacob was right.
Thane used the omni-tool and spoke out against keeping the base. Jacob handed Shepard the explosives.
Shepard caught Jacob. Jacob (unfortunately) caught Shepard.

I'll try a Jack/Thane combination next and see what happens.

[Pacifien]

Maera Imrov wrote...
It's been months on end since I played through the game, but my FemShep *was* caught by Thane. I don't remember which icons were where at the time, but I do know I had Jack with me, as I took Jack and Thane to the final battle. I tend to pick Thane first when making my party, if that helps any with knowing where his icon was. In any case, he was the one that fell when the platforms went trippy, and he was also the one to catch Shepard.

I've had differences show up on the order to which squadmates will pull up Shepard into the Normandy. Two differing outcomes from Samara/Tali and two differing outcomes from Jack/Tali. I'm reticent about using data that is from a months old playthrough, but I wouldn't discount the possibility that Thane can catch Shepard without the player resorting to killing the other squadmate who was with you at the final boss.

I failed to mention it in the original post, but a developer already told me there is not a planned order for who catches who during the final battle, but a pattern might present itself anyway. If so, again, it was unplanned by the developers.

It just occurred to me that I forgot to ask if there was a planned order for the Seeker Swarm deaths because a pattern was definitely found for that part of the mission. There's definitely a formula for Holding the Line, though.

Anyway, you might wonder why I bother with the science when I'm told there wasn't exactly a method to the madness. It's simple really: people have wondered. I don't know, maybe they like the thought their bro Garrus had their Shepard's back when Shepard needed help onto the Normandy.

[Zulu_DFA]

Pacifien wrote...

4) If Shepard disagrees with the Illusive Man on keeping the base (calling it an abomination)...
     a) A squadmate who agrees with keeping the base will speak up (Garrus, Grunt, Legion, Mordin, Zaeed)
          i) If you have two squadmates who agree with keeping the base, is there an order to who will speak up first?

Zaeed > Garrus.

[Pacifien]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Pacifien wrote...
4) If Shepard disagrees with the Illusive Man on keeping the base (calling it an abomination)...
     a) A squadmate who agrees with keeping the base will speak up (Garrus, Grunt, Legion, Mordin, Zaeed)
          i) If you have two squadmates who agree with keeping the base, is there an order to who will speak up first?

Zaeed > Garrus.

Zaeed > Grunt > Garrus. So far.

[Fiery Phoenix]

Pacifien, I wanted to add that with Thane/Morinth and Morinth/Thane, Thane was the one who spoke up against sparing the base. Both times.

[Kim Shepard]

Just finished the Jack/Thane playthrough:

Thane was on the left, Jack was on the right. (Thane, why don't you want to show up on the right? I don't think I ever got Thane to show up on the right.)
Thane used the omni-tool and spoke against keeping the base. Jack handed Shepard the explosives.
Shepard caught Jack, and Jack caught Shepard.

Any squadmate requests? I just realized I can't try out any combinations with Mordin from the save I'm using because I already sent him back with the crew.

[Splinter Cell 108]

Garrus is the one who said his opinion about the base and he never pulls my Shepards up when they jump towards the Normandy. I've seen it though, however that person did it is a mystery. Maybe it's like ME1 where Captain Anderson would only ask Garrus where the Commander was if Tali was in the party otherwise it would be every other squadmate except him,

[Fiery Phoenix]

Splinter Cell 108 wrote...

Garrus is the one who said his opinion about the base and he never pulls my Shepards up when they jump towards the Normandy. I've seen it though, however that person did it is a mystery. Maybe it's like ME1 where Captain Anderson would only ask Garrus where the Commander was if Tali was in the party otherwise it would be every other squadmate except him,

I can tell you, there is a lot of randomness involved. But we're trying our best here.

[Pacifien]

Kim Shepard wrote...
Any squadmate requests? I just realized I can't try out any combinations with Mordin from the save I'm using because I already sent him back with the crew.

I posted an ongoing list of what's been tested. You could pick a new combination, confirm a combination that's been done, or try to resolve combinations that conflict with each other.

Splinter Cell 108 wrote...
Garrus is the one who said his opinion about the base and he never pulls my Shepards up when they jump towards the Normandy. I've seen it though, however that person did it is a mystery.*snip*

If there is a pattern to who is pulling Shepard into the Normandy, it would appear that Grunt, Jacob, Kasumi, Legion, Mordin, Samara, Tali, and Zaeed will all pull up Shepard before Garrus. But Garrus will pull up Shepard before Jack and Thane.

Modifié par Pacifien, 30 juin 2010 - 06:34 .

[Zulu_DFA]

Pacifien wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Pacifien wrote...
4) If Shepard disagrees with the Illusive Man on keeping the base (calling it an abomination)...
     a) A squadmate who agrees with keeping the base will speak up (Garrus, Grunt, Legion, Mordin, Zaeed)
          i) If you have two squadmates who agree with keeping the base, is there an order to who will speak up first?

Zaeed > Garrus.

Zaeed > Grunt > Garrus. So far.

Legion > Garrus

[Pacifien]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Pacifien wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Pacifien wrote...
4) If Shepard disagrees with the Illusive Man on keeping the base (calling it an abomination)...
     a) A squadmate who agrees with keeping the base will speak up (Garrus, Grunt, Legion, Mordin, Zaeed)
          i) If you have two squadmates who agree with keeping the base, is there an order to who will speak up first?

Zaeed > Garrus.

Zaeed > Grunt > Garrus. So far.

Legion > Garrus

Zaeed > Grunt > Legion > Garrus

Don't know where Mordin goes, though.

[Fiery Phoenix]

Has anyone actually managed to get Thane to pull up Shepard onto the ship so far?

[Kim Shepard]

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...

Has anyone actually managed to get Thane to pull up Shepard onto the ship so far?

I did, but only when Miranda died.

[Splinter Cell 108]

Pacifien wrote...

Splinter Cell 108 wrote...
Garrus is the one who said his opinion about the base and he never pulls my Shepards up when they jump towards the Normandy. I've seen it though, however that person did it is a mystery.*snip*

If there is a pattern to who is pulling Shepard into the Normandy, it would appear that Grunt, Jacob, Kasumi, Legion, Mordin, Samara, Tali, and Zaeed will all pull up Shepard before Garrus. But Garrus will pull up Shepard before Jack and Thane.

Interesting. Thanks for that, I'll see what happens with that. Today I finished an ME2 game. I had Tali and Garrus, I wanted my Shepard to save Garrus and I even chose him second since that worked the last time. However Tali was the one that fell. Does it also have anything to do with who you choose?

Also everytime I've put Garrus as leader, no matter in which order I choose him it's always the other squadmate that gets saved. I think it also depends on who you took in the other parts of the suicide mission, for example I took Zaeed with me throughout the entire mission, Garrus was team leader, I chose him at the end as the second squadmate, Zaeed got saved. I did it again and chose Garrus in the first position and Zaeed got saved again.

Modifié par Splinter Cell 108, 30 juin 2010 - 06:48 .

[Pacifien]

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...
Has anyone actually managed to get Thane to pull up Shepard onto the ship so far?

Yes, Kim Shepard did. By taking an unloyal Miranda to the final fight with a loyal Thane. Miranda died. Thane decided he should probably do something about Shepard holding on for dear life since no one else was around to do it.

[Fiery Phoenix]

Pacifien wrote...

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...
Has anyone actually managed to get Thane to pull up Shepard onto the ship so far?

Yes, Kim Shepard did. By taking an unloyal Miranda to the final fight with a loyal Thane. Miranda died. Thane decided he should probably do something about Shepard holding on for dear life since no one else was around to do it.

So that would be the only way for Thane to pull you up, killing the other squadmate....

[Pacifien]

Splinter Cell 108 wrote...
Interesting. Thanks for that, I'll see what happens with that. Today I finished an ME2 game. I had Tali and Garrus, I wanted my Shepard to save Garrus and I even chose him second since that worked the last time. However Tali was the one that fell. Does it also have anything to do with who you choose?

You'd think if you chose Tali first and Garrus second in the squad selection screen that their icons would show up with Tali on the left and Garrus on the right, but their icons seemed to be placed in random positions. If you're lucky, it's Garrus on the right. Sometimes when you reload, the icons will switch places on you. I actually had to reload, get my Shepard killed, then reload from the Critical Mission Failure screen, then the icons would switch places on me. Sometimes.

So if you pick Tali and Garrus and Garrus's icon is on the right, he's going to be the one you catch when the platforms fall. But if Tali's on the right, it's going to be her.

[Kim Shepard]

I hope that's not the only way for Thane to catch Shepard. I can't think of any more combinations to try for him at the moment.

Tali/Jack playthrough:

Tali was on the left, Jack was on the right.
Tali used the omni-tool and spoke against keeping the base. Jack handed Shepard the explosives.
Shepard caught Jack. Tali caught Shepard.