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santaclausemoreau wrote...

I think the Quarians going to war with the Geth wouldn't necessarily cross them off as allies because I always felt that the war was going to be inevitable. I'm thinking that Admiral Xen starts a war with or without the support of the admiralty board because, judging by her message, she has found enough research to make her dreams of enslaving the Geth a reality. It would also set up a nice little Paragon/Renegade fork after you inevitably find her and talk Xen down or kill her. Would you keep her formula for enslaving the Geth or would you destroy it and simply hope the Geth like you enough to ally themselves with you?


I only care about or need one geth. Well 1,183 geth in one mobile platform. Lee John!!!!!!!!!!

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As far as this Geth theory goes, I feel like something is missing from it.  I also feel there is an error.  Still, the following is all just speculation based on what Shepard has seen.


I think the Quarians may be required somehow for the Geth to reach their full potential and vice versa.  How is not yet clear, or sure.  Some observations though:

1.)  I will say that the Geth seem to have never been indoctrinated.  The Heritics were "reprogrammed" to work for the Reapers.  Perhaps the Geth are the answer to the the problem of indoctrination. 
2.)  At the same time, each Geth mobile platform goes into the field with a large number of Geth.  Legion reported his body contained 1183 individual Geth even with the big hole in his chest.  Tactical co-ordination might be a bottleneck problem for the Geth.
3.)  Harbinger repeatedly said in ME2 that Humans needed to "acsend" into Reapers.  We really don't know if this was just propaganda or if maybe there was an actual reason for it.  What is Harbinger anyway?  Reaper?  Prothean?  Something else?  We do know that Reapers have both organic and hardware components.
4.)  Perhaps in ME3, we will see the Geth create a new form of mobile platform.  The nature of it would be a suit of Battle Armor that takes advantage of both Organic (Quarian or Human) as well as Geth operators at the same time. 

The error is that the Geth can possibly be crossed off Shepard's list of possible allies if the Quarians go to war with the Geth.  In this scenerio, this would be a victory for the Reapers since neither the Quarians nor the Geth would have sufficient troops and resources left to fight the Reapers after the it was over. 

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2.) there are 1183 programs (not Geth) running in Legion, HE has an internal network, the other Geth have fewer (don't remember the number of programs) and have to network (externally) to gain "brain power." The large number of Geth destroyed were in the hubs (Legion by the data base).
Other simple observations:Take Legion on Tali's Loyality mission, let Legion talk to the 3 Admirals.Ture Geth (Legion etal) are "care takers" of the Quarian homeword, cleaning up the mess left over from the Morning War..The Quarians need a "safe place" for their non-combantants to shelter while their fleet engages the Reapers.Therefor the Geth & Quarians will "make peace."Harbinger is a Reaper not a collector, at the end "you have failed ... releasing control" to the Collector general (base blows up).

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STG wrote...

The Illusive Man: Shepard, has Anderson ever told you about your father?

that wouldn't work for a spacer:
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Slidell505 wrote...

There was a planet can't remember the name but it said something to this extent. I'm paraphrasing and simplifying.

Beings of Light created the Reapers. They came to some volus in a "Vision" and he's been searching the planet they told him to for decades for a weapon to use against the Reapers. The base of ME3's plot was told to you in ME1 if you looked hard enough.

Ah, found it.

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ME3 starts by the reaper fleet you run into at the end of the game destroying the Normandy again, and you play as Conrad Verner.

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kraidy1117 wrote...

No Shepard you are the Reaper!


Curses! Got to it before me!

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I really don't think the key to killing/stopping the Reapers would be some barely mentioned "beings of light" magic solution. I'm thinkin whatever we use to stop them is something that has been prominent in the series. Crap like that doesn't really work in trilogies and if we took the reapers down with some virus or BS, I would be insanely disappointed. I picked the Geth because they are a known commodity, yet they are still mysterious and different enough to be the wild card I think they are.

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Dinnertable wrote...

I'm not sure if this has ever been speculated, or if this topic has been discussed, but based on what I know, here's a theory...

The Reapers say that they are eternal, and exist just because they do. What if we find out that the Reapers were created by a race (I'll call them X), similar to how the Quarians created the Geth, as a kind of war-machine to fight against opposing races, and their programming made it so that they would destroy any civilisation that would rise up to challenge X.
Eventually Reapers began to think for themselves, and learned how to create other Reapers, learning from techniques they observed from X, so that now they can replicate themselves, but as we have seen this requires a huge number of organics.
So, to survive, they enslaved X, stole their technology, and escaped into darkspace, using X to build more of themselves. 50K years later, they return, enslaving the most prominant races, and using them to create more until eventually, after numerous cycles, they have the army that they have now. They aren't doing it simply because they enjoy it. They do it because they were told to...

Thoughts?


Very interesting.  It would be interesting to see another race, an even more ancient one, than the protheans that involves the reapers.  Even though the protheans were not the first to be wiped out by the reapers they are the only race we here about. 

The whole idea of some race bulding the reapers doesnt seem to far off either.  Proof of that I think could be inside the reapers.  Has anyone noticed that we have seen inside 2 reapers, sovereign and the derelict reaper, and they have insides for organic beings.  Why would a group of machines he hate organic life be able to to carry organics as passangers or crew members?  Also when Sovereign says they have no begining or end they just simply exist could be another clue.  Sounds like something someone programed into them to scare the enemy.  I find it hard to believe that these machines appeared out of no where and not to mention they talk as if they are invincible but Sovereign was beaten by just a bunch of Alliance ships and even though the human reaper was a baby that went down fairly easy. 

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it's blatantly obvious at this point that EDI becomes skynet in the future and sends the reapers and collectors back in time to create T800 to stop Shepard Connor (Two last names? yeah I did!)

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toddx77 wrote...

Dinnertable wrote...

I'm not sure if this has ever been speculated, or if this topic has been discussed, but based on what I know, here's a theory...

The Reapers say that they are eternal, and exist just because they do. What if we find out that the Reapers were created by a race (I'll call them X), similar to how the Quarians created the Geth, as a kind of war-machine to fight against opposing races, and their programming made it so that they would destroy any civilisation that would rise up to challenge X.
Eventually Reapers began to think for themselves, and learned how to create other Reapers, learning from techniques they observed from X, so that now they can replicate themselves, but as we have seen this requires a huge number of organics.
So, to survive, they enslaved X, stole their technology, and escaped into darkspace, using X to build more of themselves. 50K years later, they return, enslaving the most prominant races, and using them to create more until eventually, after numerous cycles, they have the army that they have now. They aren't doing it simply because they enjoy it. They do it because they were told to...

Thoughts?


Very interesting.  It would be interesting to see another race, an even more ancient one, than the protheans that involves the reapers.  Even though the protheans were not the first to be wiped out by the reapers they are the only race we here about. 

The whole idea of some race bulding the reapers doesnt seem to far off either.  Proof of that I think could be inside the reapers.  Has anyone noticed that we have seen inside 2 reapers, sovereign and the derelict reaper, and they have insides for organic beings.  Why would a group of machines he hate organic life be able to to carry organics as passangers or crew members?  Also when Sovereign says they have no begining or end they just simply exist could be another clue.  Sounds like something someone programed into them to scare the enemy.  I find it hard to believe that these machines appeared out of no where and not to mention they talk as if they are invincible but Sovereign was beaten by just a bunch of Alliance ships and even though the human reaper was a baby that went down fairly easy. 


TBH, I would be disappointed if either of these ideas ended up in the final game.

O ZOMG LULZ, TEH REEPERZ WERE BILT, THEYZ JUST TRYIN TO SKARE US

No, I think the Reapers were once a powerful group of metaphysical beings who's technology eventually became one with them over the course of astronomical generations of time that they eventually became one with their technology. I think the Reapers are the purest form of life, not organic life, but just life, period, and they are forced to exterminate life to live themselves. They hate doing it. That could be a twist, we find out the Reapers really do not enjoy exterminating the Galaxy of life, but they have to do so, and they could end up not even being the main antagonists. I would want a stretch twist, like the Alliance, Cerberus, or maybe even the Citadel, end up becoming the big bad guys, like they possess some kind of metaphysical material that could destroy the Reapers, but you, Shepard, could find out a way to change the Reapers back to their former, peaceful selves. (Or you could go **** Renegade shep and side with the Alliance, and destroy the Reapers.)

Something like that, like, Humanity, once viewed as the victims, the main good guys, "Guiding the Galaxy Forward" become the enemy. All of our hatred, greed, all of our gluttony, our wrath, pride, lust for power, and our insanity. Look at what we're doing right now! -points to gulf of mexico. Points to iraq, killing KIDS for OIL, for MONEYYYY' yeah I wouldn't be surprised, but satisfied, if BioWare somehow implemented the factor of Human Sin into ME3.

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I agree w/ the Reapers not having creators... IMO its kind of awesome knowing your pit up against something that was the very first "life" ever in the universe.

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I always got the feeling that the Reapers were protecting the Galaxy from something, even if it was in a "destructive" fashion.

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STG wrote...

Dinnertable wrote...

Shepard: He told me you killed my father!


The Illusive Man: No Shepard, I am your father!

:P

NOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!

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Ive got one, the reporter punches Shepard.

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bobobo878 wrote...

Ive got one, the reporter punches Shepard.



Oh man, that would be so epic. If your Shep punched her in ME1 and ME2, in ME3 she took martial arts courses. You try to punch her again, she instead dodges and punches you. And gets it on the vid too! Double OWNED! :o

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In ME3 an offhand remark reveals a tantilizing fact about the quarian civilization that existed before the geth uprising; they were big fans of slavery. In fact part of the reason the batarians fell on such hard times was that after the uprising their best customers were all dead, drastically reducing the market for sentient slaves. This is largely of the reason the galaxy gave the quarians the cold shoulder in the aftermath of the geth rebellion.

The geth you see were concieved of by conscienous quarian abolitionists who felt that using V.I.'s would be more "humane" than slaves as well as safer. Their servants, "geth" they called them, were a big success and went into major production, though some organic slaves remained. Of-course the irony of it all is that the fear of a slave rebellion on the part of the geth lead to the quarian's destruction.


Or you know, not.

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We know that the Reapers began as a cooperative of individual mobile platforms like the Geth and were infused into a superstructure with biological components. Survival and replication instincts (that come with nearly all biological things) took over and these VI's as a consciousness went a little crazy.

Legion admitted that the Geth desiring something similar, but they left out any part consisting of biological components, and therefor, the Geth wouldn't be dealing with biological "directives" (instincts) interfering.

There are several Reaper-like constructs that eventually concluded differently than the Reapers and are stuck out in Dark Space due to a trap that the Reapers laid for them. Shepard has to find the one that didn't fall into the trap. It went into hiding, shut itself down and is waiting for a civilization to reactivate it as a sign that they can actually fight the Reapers. With the help of the Megageth construct, Shepard reactivates the anti-Reaper. With the help of this anti-Reaper, Shepard has to re-align the Citadel to bring in the other anti-Reapers. The final battle ensues with the assistance of various things depending on the actions of Shepard in ME1 and ME2: True Geth, Rachni, Krogan, Quarians, Conrad and his merry men, Aria's allies (as it is suggested she might have made many allies before Omega), Asari, either the Shadow Broker and Cerberus defectors or TIM and Cerberus loyals, etc.

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Sand King wrote...

sporeian wrote...

Sand King wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

No Shepard you are the Reaper! Sorry I had too.

Anyways I think a good twist would bet hat Shepard has Reaper implants and that is why he is the only one who can beat the Reapers.

Dragon Age


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That Yellow Bastard wrote...

TBH, I would be disappointed if either of these ideas ended up in the final game.

O ZOMG LULZ, TEH REEPERZ WERE BILT, THEYZ JUST TRYIN TO SKARE US

No, I think the Reapers were once a powerful group of metaphysical beings who's technology eventually became one with them over the course of astronomical generations of time that they eventually became one with their technology. I think the Reapers are the purest form of life, not organic life, but just life, period, and they are forced to exterminate life to live themselves. They hate doing it. That could be a twist, we find out the Reapers really do not enjoy exterminating the Galaxy of life, but they have to do so, and they could end up not even being the main antagonists. I would want a stretch twist, like the Alliance, Cerberus, or maybe even the Citadel, end up becoming the big bad guys, like they possess some kind of metaphysical material that could destroy the Reapers, but you, Shepard, could find out a way to change the Reapers back to their former, peaceful selves. (Or you could go **** Renegade shep and side with the Alliance, and destroy the Reapers.)

Something like that, like, Humanity, once viewed as the victims, the main good guys, "Guiding the Galaxy Forward" become the enemy. All of our hatred, greed, all of our gluttony, our wrath, pride, lust for power, and our insanity. Look at what we're doing right now! -points to gulf of mexico. Points to iraq, killing KIDS for OIL, for MONEYYYY' yeah I wouldn't be surprised, but satisfied, if BioWare somehow implemented the factor of Human Sin into ME3.


Now that you mention it your idea does sound a lot better.  What would you think of a twist being that we have the wrong idea  of what they do.  Whenever they are called a reaper their response is that "reaper" is just a term given to them.  Maybe the prothean's gave them the name reaper based off of what they just saw, but actually they are doing something totally different.  I know the whole plot of Mass Effect 2 contridicts that with the collectors harvesting humans, but I am just guessing at this point.

Also how could you not include MTV as a reason the reapers are killing us lol.

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kraidy1117 wrote...

No Shepard you are the Reaper! Sorry I had too.

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No! Shepard is the tomato!

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STG wrote...

The Illusive Man: Shepard, has Anderson ever told you about your father?

that wouldn't work for a spacer:
"Yeah, He just told me my Dad's ship docked at the citadel, he says Hello"

TIM: You're adopted!

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toddx77 wrote...

That Yellow Bastard wrote...

TBH, I would be disappointed if either of these ideas ended up in the final game.

O ZOMG LULZ, TEH REEPERZ WERE BILT, THEYZ JUST TRYIN TO SKARE US

No, I think the Reapers were once a powerful group of metaphysical beings who's technology eventually became one with them over the course of astronomical generations of time that they eventually became one with their technology. I think the Reapers are the purest form of life, not organic life, but just life, period, and they are forced to exterminate life to live themselves. They hate doing it. That could be a twist, we find out the Reapers really do not enjoy exterminating the Galaxy of life, but they have to do so, and they could end up not even being the main antagonists. I would want a stretch twist, like the Alliance, Cerberus, or maybe even the Citadel, end up becoming the big bad guys, like they possess some kind of metaphysical material that could destroy the Reapers, but you, Shepard, could find out a way to change the Reapers back to their former, peaceful selves. (Or you could go **** Renegade shep and side with the Alliance, and destroy the Reapers.)

Something like that, like, Humanity, once viewed as the victims, the main good guys, "Guiding the Galaxy Forward" become the enemy. All of our hatred, greed, all of our gluttony, our wrath, pride, lust for power, and our insanity. Look at what we're doing right now! -points to gulf of mexico. Points to iraq, killing KIDS for OIL, for MONEYYYY' yeah I wouldn't be surprised, but satisfied, if BioWare somehow implemented the factor of Human Sin into ME3.


Now that you mention it your idea does sound a lot better.  What would you think of a twist being that we have the wrong idea  of what they do.  Whenever they are called a reaper their response is that "reaper" is just a term given to them.  Maybe the prothean's gave them the name reaper based off of what they just saw, but actually they are doing something totally different.  I know the whole plot of Mass Effect 2 contridicts that with the collectors harvesting humans, but I am just guessing at this point.

Also how could you not include MTV as a reason the reapers are killing us lol.


Indeed. I support BioWare implementing the factor of Human sin into ME 3. That Humans are not all "choked up to what they ought to be", plus it would be different from the usual sci fi story/scenario that the Humans are 'special' Halo's storyline in particular disgusts me with its raw unoriginality, Humans ARE Forerunner. Oh! -hand to face- totally did NOT see that coming!

But yeah, ME 3 has soooooooo much potential.

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I think that a twist in terms of the Shadow Broker would be hard to do. (Why would the Shadow Broker SELL the body to the Collectors/Harbinger if he worked for the Reapers?, Visa Versa, why would he do it if there was an affiliation with Cerebrus?)



We are going to need some sort of twist that puts troops on the ground for Shepard to fight. It won't make any sense to keep killing thousands of mercs if you are trying to unite the Galaxy against the Reapers, and I don't want to just fight Collectors/Husks again.



Maybe introduce a sub-faction of the Reapers? A Geth style synthetic that is controlled by them perhaps?

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Slidell505 wrote...

There was a planet can't remember the name but it said something to this extent. I'm paraphrasing and simplifying.

Beings of Light created the Reapers. They came to some volus in a "Vision" and he's been searching the planet they told him to for decades for a weapon to use against the Reapers. The base of ME3's plot was told to you in ME1 if you looked hard enough.

Ah, found it.

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There was also a planet where there were rumors that there were nano-bots in the atmosphere that would disassemble any technology that enters it.Image IPB

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The SB would HAVE to be something pure neutral. An AI or machine would really be the only thing that would work as organics would not be neutral enough due to the occasional emotional or instinctual response that would prevent deals like the collector deal from taking place.