Thats a choice; your argument is invalidEcael wrote...
"You tried to kidnap Queen Anora. Go directly to jail or the Landsmeet."
RPG == ROMANCE PLAYA GAME == don't deny itZulu_DFA wrote...
So the romantic sex scenes were aimed at the 20-30 year old audience? Or was it the non-stop shooter combat?
Ecael wrote...
"Hello, you're an Alliance Soldier, go check out this colony"
-"I get the feeling there's something you're not tel- okay."
"Saren's killing everybody. Find some evidence (Tali) to prove he's gone rogue and chase him across the galaxy.
- "Okay."
"You're a Spectre now. Here, have the Normandy SR-1."
- "Okay."
"You have to recruit Liara, she is the key to everything."
-"Okay."
"We can't get past these defense towers, you'll have to complete the entire Virmire mission."
-"Okay."
"You've completed all your missions, come back to the Citadel."
-"I want to be at the head of that fl- Okay."
"We have to sneak you out of here, we can't just wait around!"
-"Okay."
"Will we find Saren in time? I hope you know what yo-"
-"Okay."
"Get to the Conduit before it closes. Now."
-"Okay.""You're a person of humble origins. Become a Grey Warden. Now."Dragon Age
-"Okay."
"Here, light this torch at the tower in Ostagar."
-"Okay."
"Go to Lothering with Morrigan."
-"Okay."
"You tried to kidnap Queen Anora. Go directly to jail or the Landsmeet."
-"Okay."
"You just came from Redcliffe, but now you have to go back to Redcliffe to talk to Arl Eamon."
-"Okay."
"Denerim is under attack! You just came from Denerim, but now you have to go back to Denerim to save the city."
-"Okay."
"As a Grey Warden myself, I can also make the sacrifice to the Archdemon as long as I'm ali-"
*Riordan jumps on the Archdemon and dies trying to wound it*
-"...Okay?"
Welcome to video games, another conveyor belt of entertainment.
Guest_slimgrin_*
Even if you wanted to say one thing and still end up doing the opposite, people would still complain anyway.Nightwriter wrote...
Lol. No, let me explain.
Example: human noble origin story - by the end I have to become a Grey Warden no matter what.
But I am very clearly placed in a situation where I am shown that this is the only way out. Not only that, I am able to object. To even say, flat out, "NO."
It happens anyway, but it feels more believable to me and makes me feel like my character is my own. (The other examples you provided are avoidable - for instance they've never happened to me. The instances in ME2 I mention are unavoidable. And I haven't finished the game, crap, I liked Riordan...)
Now compare this to Shepard's first discussion with TIM. I do not feel as though I am placed in a situation where joining TIM is the only way out or the only thing I can do. And indeed when Shepard says, "If this is true I would consider helping you" I want to go, "Wtf?!" I feel like that decision is being made for me.
Modifié par Ecael, 28 juin 2010 - 03:27 .
Ecael wrote...
So the romantic sex scenes were aimed at the 20-30 year old audience? Or was it the non-stop shooter combat?Zulu_DFA wrote...
There is a word for that kind of people. "Kids" is that word.
It just seems ME1 was aimed at the 20-30 year old audience as primary
target, and ME2 targets 12-20 year olds... Does it make ME2 a worse
game than ME1? No.
Oh, crap, I just shot myself in the foot.
Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 28 juin 2010 - 03:27 .
Name one area in Mass Effect 1 that isn't a shooting gallery or doesn't double as a shooting gallery.Zulu_DFA wrote...
Ecael wrote...
So the romantic sex scenes were aimed at the 20-30 year old audience? Or was it the non-stop shooter combat?Zulu_DFA wrote...
There is a word for that kind of people. "Kids" is that word.
It just seems ME1 was aimed at the 20-30 year old audience as primary
target, and ME2 targets 12-20 year olds... Does it make ME2 a worse
game than ME1? No.
Oh, crap, I just shot myself in the foot.
Not sure I'm following what you mean here.
The romantic sex scenes were downgraded in ME2, and the non-stop shooter combat upgraded (or so BioWare and the fanboys think). Which kinda proves my point.
Ecael wrote...
BAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW
Guest_JohnnyDollar_*
Don't count on it slimgrin.slimgrin wrote...
I really do hope the devs read threads like this.
Zulu_DFA wrote...
Ecael wrote...
So the romantic sex scenes were aimed at the 20-30 year old audience? Or was it the non-stop shooter combat?Zulu_DFA wrote...
There is a word for that kind of people. "Kids" is that word.
It just seems ME1 was aimed at the 20-30 year old audience as primary
target, and ME2 targets 12-20 year olds... Does it make ME2 a worse
game than ME1? No.
Oh, crap, I just shot myself in the foot.
Not sure I'm following what you mean here.
The romantic sex scenes were downgraded in ME2, and the non-stop shooter combat upgraded (or so BioWare and the fanboys think). Which kinda proves my point.
Ecael wrote...
Even if you wanted to say one thing and still end up doing the opposite, people would still complain anyway.
So lame that i HAVE to be a gray warden. (Link)
The latter, most likely.Nightwriter wrote...
Ecael wrote...
Even if you wanted to say one thing and still end up doing the opposite, people would still complain anyway.
So lame that i HAVE to be a gray warden. (Link)
Are we really playing Prove There Is A Scenario In Which No One Will Complain?
In that case no, there is no such scenario and never will be.
Or are we actually trying to sift through all the people who are just whining for whining's sake to find the ones who actually have something meaningful and productive to contribute with the things they point out?
slimgrin wrote...
I really do hope the devs read threads like this. Because it represents what people, not fanboys, think of their games. I enjoyed ME2 enough to play it 6 times. But it was the combat along with the ability to choose different classes that brought me back. That's where the meat of the game is. That is where they made the most significant improvements, not the story, or the RPG elements.
Modifié par JohnnyBeGood2, 28 juin 2010 - 03:44 .
Nightwriter wrote...
Ecael wrote...
Even if you wanted to say one thing and still end up doing the opposite, people would still complain anyway.
So lame that i HAVE to be a gray warden. (Link)
Are we really playing Prove There Is A Scenario In Which No One Will Complain?
In that case no, there is no such scenario and never will be.
Or are we actually trying to sift through all the people who are just whining for whining's sake to find the ones who actually have something meaningful and productive to contribute with the things they point out?
In essence you're right, though these forums are better than most.. or I find it easier to determine here what's trolling, what's a joke, what's sincere and what's people just having a conversation.wizardryforever wrote...
Uh, yes. That's exactly what wer'e doing. I totally knew that.Nightwriter wrote...
Are we really playing Prove There Is A Scenario In Which No One Will Complain?Ecael wrote...
Even if you wanted to say one thing and still end up doing the opposite, people would still complain anyway.
So lame that i HAVE to be a gray warden. (Link)
In that case no, there is no such scenario and never will be.
Or are we actually trying to sift through all the people who are just whining for whining's sake to find the ones who actually have something meaningful and productive to contribute with the things they point out?
But seriously, trying to find meaning and such in an internet forum is something that just doesn't happen. Never will, too many different people with moods and opinions that may or may not be sincere.
Ecael wrote...
Name one area in Mass Effect 1 that isn't a shooting gallery or doesn't double as a shooting gallery.Zulu_DFA wrote...
Ecael wrote...
So the romantic sex scenes were aimed at the 20-30 year old audience? Or was it the non-stop shooter combat?Zulu_DFA wrote...
There is a word for that kind of people. "Kids" is that word.
It just seems ME1 was aimed at the 20-30 year old audience as primary
target, and ME2 targets 12-20 year olds... Does it make ME2 a worse
game than ME1? No.
Oh, crap, I just shot myself in the foot.
Not sure I'm following what you mean here.
The romantic sex scenes were downgraded in ME2, and the non-stop shooter combat upgraded (or so BioWare and the fanboys think). Which kinda proves my point.
It's all shooting in Mass Effect. I don't see why people continue to deny this for only one game.
itt people who disagree with the illogical are fanboys.slimgrin wrote...
Fan boys: the opposite of detached, critical thinking; married to what they love and will defend it no matter what logical argument is laid before them, in defense of no particular goal other than selfless adulation and devotion. Gotta love em.
Mass Effect Launch TrailerZulu_DFA wrote...
Ecael wrote...
Name one area in Mass Effect 1 that isn't a shooting gallery or doesn't double as a shooting gallery.Zulu_DFA wrote...
Ecael wrote...
So the romantic sex scenes were aimed at the 20-30 year old audience? Or was it the non-stop shooter combat?Zulu_DFA wrote...
There is a word for that kind of people. "Kids" is that word.
It just seems ME1 was aimed at the 20-30 year old audience as primary
target, and ME2 targets 12-20 year olds... Does it make ME2 a worse
game than ME1? No.
Oh, crap, I just shot myself in the foot.
Not sure I'm following what you mean here.
The romantic sex scenes were downgraded in ME2, and the non-stop shooter combat upgraded (or so BioWare and the fanboys think). Which kinda proves my point.
It's all shooting in Mass Effect. I don't see why people continue to deny this for only one game.
The shooting in Mass Effect 1 was a minigame. a cute shooter like minigame. With such classic shooter elements as ducking and sniping. It was used to make some plot progression where appropriate.
ME2 was advertised as a shooter, yet they took the ducking move away and nerfed down the sniping. But ME2 is still a shooter, and the RPG elements such as the plot, is used to lead you from section A to section B to section C of the shooting gallery. And the "cool" macho bullsh*t (which I personally can stand and enjoy only in Schwarzenegger movies) Shepard barks at the baddies on every level to pepper the eye candy of the "barrel of gasoline" explosioins.
Zulu_DFA wrote...
The shooting in Mass Effect 1 was a minigame.
ShepardWrex wrote...
they see me trollin
they hatin
cachx wrote...
Zulu_DFA wrote...
Ecael wrote...
So the romantic sex scenes were aimed at the 20-30 year old audience? Or was it the non-stop shooter combat?Zulu_DFA wrote...
There is a word for that kind of people. "Kids" is that word.
It just seems ME1 was aimed at the 20-30 year old audience as primary
target, and ME2 targets 12-20 year olds... Does it make ME2 a worse
game than ME1? No.
Oh, crap, I just shot myself in the foot.
Not sure I'm following what you mean here.
The romantic sex scenes were downgraded in ME2, and the non-stop shooter combat upgraded (or so BioWare and the fanboys think). Which kinda proves my point.
Makes me remember Woo's comments on the whole sex thing...
wizardryforever wrote...
Uh, yes. That's exactly what wer'e doing. I totally knew that.
But seriously, trying to find meaning and such in an internet forum is something that just doesn't happen. Never will, too many different people with moods and opinions that may or may not be sincere.
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