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[MaaZeus]

That Yellow Bastard wrote...

I personally could care less. The Revenant is fine and makes more sense than a MENNIGUNNZ in the ME universe.

Dude, there is already a futuristic version of Minigun in ME universe, Twin Mass Accelerator cannon. YMIR mechs have one in their right arm. A portable version would be nice.

[Village_Idiot]

You have my support. MORE DAKKA is always good.

[Gumbeaux Jr]

Moar pistolz

[NICKjnp]

Isn't that the job of the revenant? It would take away one of the soldiers main bonuses if you gave every class a weapon like that.

[JaegerBane]

The problem with having this is the same for having a railgun - there's already a weapon in the game that effectively fulfills the function. I'm up for variety as much as the next guy... but all you're doing here is duplicating stuff that is already there.

[MaaZeus]

NICKjnp wrote...

Isn't that the job of the revenant? It would take away one of the soldiers main bonuses if you gave every class a weapon like that.

Again, no. Revenant is light machine gun by design, much slower rate of fire and lower accuracy. And no, this wouldnt replace Revenant as we are talking about Heavy weapon, good for certain situations and not continous use.

Modifié par MaaZeus, 30 juin 2010 - 07:01 .

[lovgreno]

MaaZeus wrote...
Dude, there is already a futuristic version of Minigun in ME universe, Twin Mass Accelerator cannon. YMIR mechs have one in their right arm. A portable version would be nice.

Shepard could just pick up a arm from a destroyed YMIR and start bullethosing the badguys. That would make a cool classic action film scene.

If a minigun fired in bursts it wouldn't be too much like the Renevant. If it doesn't stop firing untill it has depleted one heavy gun ammo it might become a new kind of challenge to use it efficently. But I can do without another heavy weapon to be honest. I wouldn't pay for a minigun DLC. I can't deny that Shepard could look rather cool firing a gatling gun though.

[Trenrade]

The revenant already does enough damage as it is, no need for a minigun. and the recoil would be outrageous considering the Rev's is already stupid even with assault rifle accuracy upgrade.

Modifié par Trenrade, 30 juin 2010 - 09:42 .

[NICKjnp]

MaaZeus wrote...

NICKjnp wrote...

Isn't that the job of the revenant? It would take away one of the soldiers main bonuses if you gave every class a weapon like that.

Again, no. Revenant is light machine gun by design, much slower rate of fire and lower accuracy. And no, this wouldnt replace Revenant as we are talking about Heavy weapon, good for certain situations and not continous use.

So you are saying you want a revenant that is called a minigun instead of a light machinegun?  Again... it would detract from the soldier class (but keep dreaming... you should never give up on your dreams!).

[thepiebaker]

Trenrade wrote...

The revenant already does enough damage as it is, no need for a minigun. and the recoil would be outrageous considering the Rev's is already stupid even with assault rifle accuracy upgrade.

because the barrels of the minigun rotate so quickly there is little recoil from the shots

[MaaZeus]

NICKjnp wrote...

So you are saying you want a revenant that is called a minigun instead of a light machinegun?  Again... it would detract from the soldier class (but keep dreaming... you should never give up on your dreams!).

What? Were you listening? LMGs of real world are quite dwarfed in accuracy and firepower/rate of fire of gattling types, Minigun being one of them. LMGs barely touch 1000rpm where gattling guns IRL go from 3000 to 7000rpm. We are not asking for Revenant replacer, we are asking for BULLET/SLUG-FIRING HEAVY WEAPON. We already have flamethrower, grenade launcher, homing missiles, a fricking lightning gun... but wouldnt it be nice to have a bigass extremely fast firing weapon that turns Scions into Swiss Cheese in few seconds. If you want downsides to balance it out, it could eat all heavy weapon ammo like mad. (just like real-life gattlings do obviously)

[MaaZeus]

thepiebaker wrote...

Trenrade wrote...

The revenant already does enough damage as it is, no need for a minigun. and the recoil would be outrageous considering the Rev's is already stupid even with assault rifle accuracy upgrade.

because the barrels of the minigun rotate so quickly there is little recoil from the shots

No, they do recoil quite a bit. Multiple barrel is mostly there for heat reasons. With insane rate of fires they shoot single barrel would melt. Recoil is one of the reasons why there are no real-life handheld gattling guns. Weapon is very heavy, battery that operates it is heavy, ammo pack is really heavy, and recoil from all those bullets fired is really strong that it is almost impossible to shoot straight (perhaps even falling over) unless it is mounted somewhere.

But Shepard is no ordinary man. With his cybernetics he can handle Widows and Claymores kick without breaking his shoulder and arm. Could probaply handle a gattling too.

[NICKjnp]

I can just imagine him trying lift that thing... so no.

[MaaZeus]

NICKjnp wrote...

I can just imagine him trying lift that thing... so no.

Why not? It looked good on Arnold in T2 anyway.



Seriously speaking it is big, but very liftable by strong man. Problems arise IRL with the battery, big load of ammo and firing the damn thing on full speed. First two are probaply solved in ME universe technology I think? Ammo systems are quite different in ME weaponry and batteries are quite advanced, small and powerfull. And Shepard is stronger than ordinary man AFAIK, so the firing it wont be a problem I think, plus there is some room for suspension of disbelief.

Modifié par MaaZeus, 30 juin 2010 - 11:03 .

[Shadowomega23]

MaaZeus wrote...

Shadowomega23 wrote...


This weapon uses caseless ammo, so less copper used in manufacturing the rounds. All the rounds are lined up one right behind the other in each barrel and if one round miss fires the next bullet will just push it out the barrel. But the other though of using said weapon is anti missile/anti mortar/artillery projectile, even anti aircraft. Also you can have different barrels loaded with different ammo types so instead of reloading to fire certain rounds you just change the select switch and pull the trigger. If the weapon has four barrels barrel one might be loaded with stand rounds, barrel two might be loaded with rubber rounds, barrel three might have steel core rounds, and barrel four could have inciderary rounds. As for reloading it would reload via barrel cartridge making it a rapid reload weapon.

Now THIS video makes much more sense. My criticism was more pointed in that particular prototype in the vid, what practical use it could have.

That prototype was designed for proof of concept, however there is a larger version of it that is planned for Anti Missile, anti air, and anti Mortar. Radar will track the incoming projectile and system will put up a wall of steel to intercept the deadly munitions. The other design combines small caliber chambers that would use 5.56, 7.62, with another set using 12.7 another set using 40mm to provides a mix static defence system. Kind of like the Defence turrets in Mechwarrior 4 game. This would allow defence against multiple combat archtypes. (Infantry, Light vehicle, and Anti air, and maybe the ablity to work on heavy armor)  There are other concepts in development one even uses 40mm grenades in such a large volume they can flatten buildings more effectively then 250, 500, 1k or even 2k pound bombs.

[lovgreno]

MaaZeus wrote...
But Shepard is no ordinary man. With his cybernetics he can handle Widows and Claymores kick without breaking his shoulder and arm. Could probaply handle a gattling too.

Shep can carry a Cain, heavy armour, being showered with super velocity projectiles, run AND still fire a Claymore or Renevant effectively so using a minigun shouldn't be too much of a problem. To balance things out a minigun might be restricted to firing while standing up and don't move, that would add a interesting challenge.

[MaaZeus]

lovgreno wrote...

MaaZeus wrote...
But Shepard is no ordinary man. With his cybernetics he can handle Widows and Claymores kick without breaking his shoulder and arm. Could probaply handle a gattling too.

Shep can carry a Cain, heavy armour, being showered with super velocity projectiles, run AND still fire a Claymore or Renevant effectively so using a minigun shouldn't be too much of a problem. To balance things out a minigun might be restricted to firing while standing up and don't move, that would add a interesting challenge.

Not moving might be too much, but when firing being restricted to walking speed is believable. That, and fast consumption heavy ammo.

[Shadowomega23]

MaaZeus wrote...

lovgreno wrote...

MaaZeus wrote...
But Shepard is no ordinary man. With his cybernetics he can handle Widows and Claymores kick without breaking his shoulder and arm. Could probaply handle a gattling too.

Shep can carry a Cain, heavy armour, being showered with super velocity projectiles, run AND still fire a Claymore or Renevant effectively so using a minigun shouldn't be too much of a problem. To balance things out a minigun might be restricted to firing while standing up and don't move, that would add a interesting challenge.

Not moving might be too much, but when firing being restricted to walking speed is believable. That, and fast consumption heavy ammo.

Definitly Walking speed, though not sure of the number of pounds of recoil it would have due to the smallest caliber round I could find for a mini gun was the gau-2a which used 7.62*51mm, but did find the Gau-19a which uses 12.7mm*99mm and that creates 500 pounds average of recoil force while going full auto. After a minute of ussage on that if your still standing your arms are going to feel like jelly.

[lovgreno]

Predator Minigun.



The eccentric and rich elcor weapons merchant Tefnut had a thing for old human films. When designing a new shoulder mounted weapon for elcors he created a gatling mass driver. Rotating barrels made of the best friction less materials and a integrated cooling laser made heatsinks unnecesary. This also made it ridicously expensive but devastating. It wasn't very popular due to the price and that elcor are good at staying out of trouble. However a quarian corporate spy made herself a fortune on a new model for krogans. A specialised mass effect field generator (that had a insane appetite on heavy weapon cells) basicaly glued the krogan and his Predator to the gravitational field of the planet they stood on so it could be fired with reasonably accurancy. Many krogan warlords of the Terminus systems used the majority of their riches on this overpriced overkill. Anything less solid and heavy than a krogan should not try this weapon for their own good.

[thepiebaker]

MaaZeus wrote...

NICKjnp wrote...

So you are saying you want a revenant that is called a minigun instead of a light machinegun?  Again... it would detract from the soldier class (but keep dreaming... you should never give up on your dreams!).

What? Were you listening? LMGs of real world are quite dwarfed in accuracy and firepower/rate of fire of gattling types, Minigun being one of them. LMGs barely touch 1000rpm where gattling guns IRL go from 3000 to 7000rpm. We are not asking for Revenant replacer, we are asking for BULLET/SLUG-FIRING HEAVY WEAPON. We already have flamethrower, grenade launcher, homing missiles, a fricking lightning gun... but wouldnt it be nice to have a bigass extremely fast firing weapon that turns Scions into Swiss Cheese in few seconds. If you want downsides to balance it out, it could eat all heavy weapon ammo like mad. (just like real-life gattlings do obviously)

i exclusivly watch the military channel i know some things about miniguns. but from the clips i have seen in the programs that feature them the bullets are flying in pretty much a strait line. more accurate than all of the assault rifles, minus the vindicator. and dont throw the BS of the reason its that stable is because its mounted, the ammount of restraint on the mount that would be needed would prevent the operator from aiming the damn gun

[Shadowomega23]

thepiebaker wrote...

MaaZeus wrote...

NICKjnp wrote...

So you are saying you want a revenant that is called a minigun instead of a light machinegun?  Again... it would detract from the soldier class (but keep dreaming... you should never give up on your dreams!).

What? Were you listening? LMGs of real world are quite dwarfed in accuracy and firepower/rate of fire of gattling types, Minigun being one of them. LMGs barely touch 1000rpm where gattling guns IRL go from 3000 to 7000rpm. We are not asking for Revenant replacer, we are asking for BULLET/SLUG-FIRING HEAVY WEAPON. We already have flamethrower, grenade launcher, homing missiles, a fricking lightning gun... but wouldnt it be nice to have a bigass extremely fast firing weapon that turns Scions into Swiss Cheese in few seconds. If you want downsides to balance it out, it could eat all heavy weapon ammo like mad. (just like real-life gattlings do obviously)

i exclusivly watch the military channel i know some things about miniguns. but from the clips i have seen in the programs that feature them the bullets are flying in pretty much a strait line. more accurate than all of the assault rifles, minus the vindicator. and dont throw the BS of the reason its that stable is because its mounted, the ammount of restraint on the mount that would be needed would prevent the operator from aiming the damn gun

Depends on the mount, Bi/Tri pods are more or less for recoil which does improve the sablity of the weapon, however it can cost you your ablity to aim in certaint directions. LMGs and MMG are Heavy and fire fire some powerful projectiles and the push on a persons shoulder from firing the weapon for extended periods of time can wear out a person by taking the 23/24 pound M60 MMG and laying it down will allow you fire it more accurately not just because the impact from recoil is lowered again the shoulder (more drag) but also the gun won't push the person arounds as much. Watch this video of an m60 being fired from the shoulder.




As for larger Caliber weapons mounts are needed do to the ammount of recoil presure generated would even push a soldier to the ground. The gau 19 a generates 500 pounds of pressure during firing, and that is enough to even rock a hummer.

[Aryck the One]

I support this. The Revenant is awesome, but that thing is Soldier-only.

[Shadowomega23]

Aryck1095 V2 wrote...

I support this. The Revenant is awesome, but that thing is Soldier-only.

Actually I would support the Revenant taking the Heavy weapon slot if they game me an Assault Rifle akin to the HK M416(5.56*45mm)/ 417(7.62*51mm),  or the Barret Rec 7 (aka Barret M468 (6.8*43mm)).

If I remember the corilation between virtual and real it went like this.

M-8 Avenger = AK-47 (7.62*39mm) or AK-74 (5.45*39mm)
M-15 Vindicator = M-16a2 (556*45mm)


Though I love the Revenant in battles, but where the enemy is sticking at range I wish I had my Vidicator. The M416/417 would be a nice mid ground between Vidicator and Revenant punch and accuracy with decent Rate of fire.

[SmokePants]

Last I checked, the HW ammo system is too flawed for me to care about heavy weapons. Call me old-fashioned, but I prefer to use weapons whose ammunition I know I'll be able to replenish.

And call me a radical, but if I were making a shooter, I would leave out portable fully automatic weapons entirely, because they are invariably the most low-brow and predictably boring of any given game arsenal and we just don't need them. Semi-auto/burst fire is the way to go. Vindicator for life.

[Shadowomega23]

SmokePants wrote...

Last I checked, the HW ammo system is too flawed for me to care about heavy weapons. Call me old-fashioned, but I prefer to use weapons whose ammunition I know I'll be able to replenish.

And call me a radical, but if I were making a shooter, I would leave out portable fully automatic weapons entirely, because they are invariably the most low-brow and predictably boring of any given game arsenal and we just don't need them. Semi-auto/burst fire is the way to go. Vindicator for life.

Burst fire losses effectiveness when they get close, kind of speaking of personal experiance from BF:BC 2 hench the reason I suggested something akin to what Nato and UN forces are looking at to replace the aging M16, M4, G36, and G3. With this game being in the future we should see a similar progession in weapon tech. I think if a new Assault rifle is made it would be like a marriage between the Avenger and the Vindicator, rate of fire with damage and accuracy.