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[Michel1986]

iRipper wrote...

I talked to EDI and I know that she has a "block".

That block will be gone after the suicide mission

[Kid_SixXx]

iRipper wrote...

Look, I understand, that Spectres can fly anything, go anywhere, do almost anything. But they DON'T have any POLITICAL POWER.

Of course this is with the caveat that we're not just talking about any Specter, we're talking about Commander Shepard, the savior of the Citadel, and he was there at Anderson's request and its not like the SR2 had the firepower to compete with the usual contingent of warships that typically patrol space near The Citadel.

There's no harm in letting the SR2 land at the Citadel and hearing Shepard out.  If the council liked what he had to say, then Shepard goes out into the Terminus Systems, saves the galaxy once again, and makes the Council look like a billion credits..

If they didn't like what Shepared had to say then the Council (hopefully) learned the painful lessons from Shepard's last break-out and do a better job of impounding the SR2 and securing / arresting the crew.

[Alchemist02]

iRipper wrote...

C-Sec may care or not, hate or not, but Anderson and Hackett should. There are serious leaks in the Alliance system and they could be screwed big time. Will Cerberus fork them is another question, but they CAN. First the ship, later something even bigger.

I'm not trying to nitpick BTW. I'm just interested.

Why do you assume cerberus got the plans from the alliance? The turians helped build the normandy to you know, Since i doubt they'd work without knowing WHAT they'r working on, Perhaps the turians sold cerberus the information? or perhaps the Volus (being part of the turian higherarcy) sold the information to cerberus? (i wouldnt trust a volus NOT to sell off any information legit gotten or not) 

[Alchemist02]

iRipper wrote...

Good point bro  But in ANY case, the Alliance should crap their pants. Because even if the Normandy SR1 was a prototype, no doubt the Alliance had plans to release more if Normandy pays of (which it did). Now they can't rely on the technologies they have. 

Why would they? tacticly the normandys ineffective (Shepards normandy being an exception due to non standard upgrades and crew) 

Even if cerberus built an entire fleet of SR2's they wouldnt be able to even dent an alliance dreadnaught whilst the dreadnaught would be picking targets and 1 every SR2 in weapons range.

[Kid_SixXx]

iRipper wrote...
Yeah. I can go with that. Problem is the Council doesn't do anything, even if you turn down their offer. But lets assume they had it in mind.

SPOILER ALERT!

On the other thing, I know Normandy is not Sovereign and can't destroy Citadel, but that's not the point. The point is the leak in the Alliance itself.
It's like leaking nuclear bomb secrets from USA to Soviet Union.

[conspiracy]

Who is to say that the leak of the design of the SR2 to Cerberus wasn't deliberate?  Perhaps some of the financial backers of Cerberus are also high ranking officials with the Systems Alliance that want to support a human-centric agenda without co-signing all of Cerberus's questionable dealings?

[/conspiracy]

iRipper wrote...

Not Cerberus building SR2's and attacking, but the Alliance building more Normandy SR1 type ships. Get it?

For what purpose?  Codex already shows that the only ships that benefit from the Normandy mods are Frigate-class vessels and that the Tantalus core is very cost prohibitive.

The only thing the Alliance would do by building more SR1 spec ships would be to bankrupt themselves and have a fleet of frigates that would have a fraction of the firepower than two or three dreadnaughts.

Modifié par Kid_SixXx, 28 juin 2010 - 06:34 .

[Alchemist02]

iRipper wrote...

Not Cerberus building SR2's and attacking, but the Alliance building more Normandy SR1 type ships. Get it?

No i dont, Other then being a very effective transport the normandys ineffective and lightly armed why would the alliance build more of them? Also building annother normandy would require the turians to co-develop them along with the alliance (something the alliance military did not approve of) 

[Freelancer rook]

After the suicide mission EDI can tell you.

[Yakko77]

iRipper wrote...

I talked to EDI and I know that she has a "block".

But the Alliance should care how Cerberus copied the design of the most advanced spaceship they have, made it twice as big and better. Udina or Anderson should ask these questions. Hackett too.

Overlooked? The Citadel sells Normandy SR1 models, so even a kid should know how the Normandy looks. In ME1 you get tagged very quickly.

Other than its size, the SR2 is a fairly standard human frigate design in terms of it's hull shape (clearly being stealth, having and AI plus the upgrades you can add to it basically make it a miniture cruiser). 

As for the Council and human Alliance not knowing of its presence, maybe it entered Citadel space with its stealth drive operating.

Modifié par Yakko77, 28 juin 2010 - 06:54 .

[Alchemist02]

iRipper wrote...Conspiracy - good  Still worth investigating. But that's a good one.

Who says - buid an entire fleet. Salarians have STG, Spectres similar, Asari have commandos,  Cerberus recognize the importance of stealth too. 
Don't tell me the Alliance has built 1 prototype and said "meh", we won't continue to work with the technology and maybe come up with a drive that could possibly hide a dreadnaught or something.

Wars are not won with only firepower. You need stealth and quickness. That's why USA are building so many fighter jets.

Cost effective, The normandy is not. 

Stealth is vital yes, but dont think for one second that the normandy is the only stealth vessel the alliance has, What if they dropped a carrier in a blind spot and used fighters for recon? Or used a seemingly unarmed merchant class ship to spy? 

Also you cant cloak something the size of a dreadnaught, its quite simply to large to cloak, Thats generally why they'r dreadnaughts. 

[Alchemist02]

iRipper wrote...

Normandy is not cloaked either. It clearly states that you can see the ship, you just have to be close enough. In space that's hard.
Normandy's ace in sleeve is the Tantalus drive core, and it's heat sinks. Perfecting the technology can lead to the state where you can "hide" bigger ships (Cerberus did that) tor significantly reducing the costs to produce Tantalus drive.
Such project can fail. Of course it can fail, but it's worth a shot, cos that could provide a massive tactical advantige.

SR2 is still a frigate (Slightly larger but still frigate sized) so cerberus did not manage to hide anything bigger then a frigate (Which is still... fairly useless in a combat situation), Also EDI could be contributing to SR2's stealth system (by outputting sensor ''ghosts'' or hacking the enemies sensors) 

You CANT cloak a dreadnaught, They'r too large have too much emission.

[Dr. Doctor]

Other SR1 Normandy-class frigates do exist by the time mass effect 2 rolls around, one of the news reports reference a battle in which the SSV Ain Jalut mounts a raid on a Batarian outpost.



The SR2 is similar to the production model Normandy and Cerberus is the owner of a major shipbuilding firm so for all we know the SR2's IFF system just said that the ship was owned by that company.

[Doctor_Jackstraw]

It's a public dock. in me1 you had a private alliance docking bay. I doubt every security guard in the galaxy can tell the normandy apart from any turrian ship (it's styled after turrian ship design, so it's not exactly that unusual in the me world) most people probably don't even know the normandy is a top secret project.

[SSV Enterprise]

Anderson invited Shepard to the Citadel and obviously wasn't hostile. Bailey had no problem with Shepard.

If that's not enough, think of it either of these ways: When the SR-2 first docks, Citadel Control doesn't know Shepard is aboard. After things are sorted out with Bailey and Anderson, it's not a problem. Either that, or Cerberus simply managed to obtain docking permission through its contacts. Zakera Ward isn't exactly the most secure and regulated part of the Citadel.

[sirandar]

I did find it kind of immersion breaking wandering around on ship with Cerberus emblems all over it wearing Cerberus Armour and having very few even notice. Only Jack had a big problem with it.



Cerberus seem like such a top secret agency in ME1, in ME2 you might expect to see Cerberus on a Burger King glass

[Bhatair]

-"What do you mean that's a Cerberus vessel? How can you be sure?



"Well, the giant logo was a give away."



-"Ah yeah. You know for a shadow organization that's not very shady."

[NephilimNexus]

I asked the same question in another thread.  The Council clearly states that working for Cerberus is a capital offense... yet a Cerberus ship - actually, make that a heavily armed Cerberus warship - landing at there & unloading three heavily armed crew members (in full Cerberus uniforms) is not a problem.  Nor is having the happy trio go up to the Presidium & talk to the human Councillor without having to so much as check in their guns first.

Personally, I think that Cerberus is really just an Alliance "black-ops" front organization to give them plausible deniability for all the things they want to do but can't for political reasons.  That's just my theory, though.

[MachDelta]

Wow... do you people play the entire game through before asking these questions? Talk to EDI before the suicide mission (after her "blocks" are removed). She explains quite a bit about how Cerberus operates.

[sirandar]

EDI doesn't explain much ........ but it was interesting. Nothing to do with why a clearly marked Cerberus ship can land at almost any planet without a single question.