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[Silrian]

The only thing I REALLY had trouble with was letting all the workers die on Zaeed's loyalty mission. Seriously. I'm surprised nobodies brought that up yet (or did I miss it?). I only did that once because I wanted to have a fully upgraded assault rifle, but man I didn't like hearing all those people scream and burn to death. But then again, I hate Zaeed the most of all characters from ME2 so it annoyed my brains out he just started destroying that place on his own which was completely unnecessary. I've destroyed the Geth, killed the Rachni Queen and saved the Collector base, even as overall paragon characters, but letting an insubordinate idiot with a psychotic grudge get away with needlessly burning people to death, I don't think so.

[88mphSlayer]

i did all of those

[ReallyRue]

I don't like destroying the Council/Destiny Ascension on Renegade, though I have done it. Considering what Virgil said though, about the Citadel trap being used to wipe out Prothean government and destabalise them so they can't organise a proper attack, I think even a Renegade would see the value of trying to hold on to a government, not to mention an impressive warship.

But anyway, choices I couldn't do are
-Kill Wrex
-Kill Samara to recruit Morinth (although I did it once on an alternate playthrough to see if Morinth's role is different to Samara's in ME3)
-Keep Collector base
-If I had played Arrival, then that Renegade conclusion
-Although it's a very minor one, with-holding Cerberus information from Jack once she's aboard the Normandy - Shep owes them no loyalty
-Giving Legion to Cerberus (although that's not a moral issue)

[Reever]

Mesina2 wrote...

James2912 wrote...

so in other words you've never played as a renegade?

I made this thread long time ago.

Now only thing I never did was to betray Mouse to Elias, since I have to be very Paragon first for that.

You have to be Paragon for that?!

[James2912]

[quote]BlueDemonX wrote...

[quote]Mesina2 wrote...

[quote]James2912 wrote...

so in other words you've never played as a renegade?[/quote]

I made this thread long time ago.

Now only thing I never did was to betray Mouse to Elias, since I have to be very Paragon first for that.

[/quote]

ahh okay now i understand. I try it all. I don't take video games personally,I just try and get my moneys worth by seeing ALL the content. 
Just to clarify I'm not saying you take video game personally. lol. wanted to make sure you understood that because sometimes the wrong impression is given through the internet.

[AdamNW]

The only choice I could imagine a renegade /not/ taking is killing Samara. There's a line between doing things for the greater good, and killing keepers of peace in favor of SERIAL KILLERS.

Modifié par AdamNW, 12 mai 2011 - 01:55 .

[Seboist]

AdamNW wrote...

The only choice I could imagine a renegade /not/ taking is killing Samara. There's a line between doing things for the greater good, and committing what should be a galactic crime.

The game doesn't give any good reasons for picking Morinth other than for the novelty of it. Her implementation as a squadmate is very half-assed.

[AdamNW]

Saphra Deden wrote...

AdamNW wrote...

The only choice I could imagine a renegade /not/ taking is killing Samara. There's a line between doing things for the greater good, and committing what should be a galactic crime.

No such thing as crime on Omega and Samara is just as brutal and ruthless as Morinth is.

Samara kills those who commit crime.  Morinth kills whoever the **** she wants to.  I don't recall Samara ever saying she enjoyed her job either.

And no crime on Omega?  That's a horrible justification.

Modifié par AdamNW, 12 mai 2011 - 01:57 .

[Seboist]

Morinth is a great waste of a character. There was great potential with her character going from being a hedonistic self-absorbed serial sex murderer to unwittingly becoming a savior of the Galaxy. That's better than Samara's character who's completely static.

[AdamNW]

If Samara isn't doing her job, criminals are not being stopped. Anaya is guilty by impeding justice. And once again, Samara obeys her code (which Anaya was aware of, so she was bringing her death upon herself) without question, like a good cop is supposed to do.

How the hell can you say that Samara's lawful killings are no better than Morinth's unlawful killings? Let's take it a step further than that. Morinth TRICKS her targets into believe they are in love with each other. She manipulates their mind (as shown in Samara's trust mission) and feels absolutely no remorse for her actions. She was given the option to avoid this life and she chose to ignore her OWN CIVILIZATION'S LAWS to fulfill her perverted, murderous desires. Samara may have killed a child for stealing a lollipop or something, but she will NEVER be as vile as Morinth.

EDIT: You need to understand Samara's role:

"The Justicar Code is the central force in every justicar's
life. The Code is composed of more than five thousand sutras that
describe every possible situation a justicar may encounter. Every
justicar is required to know the entire Code by heart. Samara comments
that living by the Code makes her choices simple: "if I follow the Code,
I am just. If I do not, I am unjust." In compliance with the Justicar
Code, there are no morally grey actions: every deed done falls clearly
into right or wrong categories. Thus a justicar will defend a village of
just farmers to her dying breath if they are being attacked by bandits,
but she will kill every person in that village if they are found to be
running a smuggling cartel. Samara herself admits that, due to the harsh
nature of the Code, curiosity is a liability for a justicar: if she is
required to kill a murderer, she does not wish to know anything that
could potentially redeem him in her eyes."

A Justicar is universally recieved as a bringer of peace.  If they weren't, why would they still exist?  Samara does not do anything that is unlawful, even if she kills a few people that "look" innocent.

Modifié par AdamNW, 12 mai 2011 - 02:13 .

[NKKKK]

Is it wrong to not want to break up Charr?

[Zulu_DFA]

Seboist wrote...

AdamNW wrote...

The only choice I could imagine a renegade /not/ taking is killing Samara. There's a line between doing things for the greater good, and committing what should be a galactic crime.

The game doesn't give any good reasons for picking Morinth other than for the novelty of it. Her implementation as a squadmate is very half-assed.

On my first playthrough I eliminated Morinth without second though. And it took a lot of metagaming to finally go on with her recruitment for my canon.

Also "Kill Morinth" line is infinitely cooler than "Kill Samara" line.

I wish Shepard could say something along "You two are so much alike, I can't see the difference anyway."

That could have been preceded by Morinth giving her opinion on the Justicars during the Afterlife talk. In the game she refuses to talk about it. Instead, she should have said something like: "Yeah-yeah, the Justicars. They have plenty of fans and all that self-righteous bearing... But if you think of it, they are nothing but serial killers, preying on people who's gravest vice is that they try to make a living. Even the Spectres take their orders from a higher authority, but the justicars... they just have this Code of theirs to justify themselves. And who do you think wrote the Code?"

This way I bet Morinth would be ending up dead times less often.

[AdamNW]

Saphra Deden wrote...

AdamNW wrote...

If Samara isn't doing her job, criminals are not being stopped.

If the legal system gets in the way I'm going to kill it.

Anaya did not have to restrain her.  She did that out of her own free will.

[Seboist]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Seboist wrote...

AdamNW wrote...

The only choice I could imagine a renegade /not/ taking is killing Samara. There's a line between doing things for the greater good, and committing what should be a galactic crime.

The game doesn't give any good reasons for picking Morinth other than for the novelty of it. Her implementation as a squadmate is very half-assed.

On my first playthrough I eliminated Morinth without second though. And it took a lot of metagaming to finally go on with her recruitment for my canon.

Also "Kill Morinth" line is infinitely cooler than "Kill Samara" line.

I wish Shepard could say something along "You two are so much alike, I can't see the difference anyway."

That could have been preceded by Morinth giving her opinion on the Justicars during the Afterlife talk. In the game she refuses to talk about it. Instead, she should have said something like: "Yeah-yeah, the Justicars. They have plenty of fans and all that self-righteous bearing... But if you think of it, they are nothing but serial killers, preying on people who's gravest vice is that they try to make a living. Even the Spectres take their orders from a higher authority, but the justicars... they just have this Code of theirs to justify themselves. And who do you think wrote the Code?"

This way I bet Morinth would be ending up dead times less often.

They should have had her revealing some dirty secrets about Samara to sway Shepard to her side.

I really think her being implemented as a squadmate was something thrown in at the last moment as evidenced by her acting as her mother......... when she's coughing up blood and dying in the Suicide Mission. That makes her into the greatest actress of all time. LOL

[lolwut666]

Samara's only crime is killing outside of asari space.

Within asari space, her actions are considered part of her people's culture.

[AdamNW]

So if Morinth went and ****ed him to death, it's not as bad? Nice logic.

Also, If you really feel this way about both of them, kill Morinth simply because she is much younger and more dangerous.  How much can Samara /really/ do if she's almost 1000 years old?

Modifié par AdamNW, 12 mai 2011 - 02:24 .

[Seboist]

Samara has a lot in common with a Renegade Shepard who ruthlessly guns down criminals.

[NKKKK]

So if Morinth went and ****ed him to death, it's not as bad?

Not really.

[AdamNW]

Except...Samara kills CRIMINALS (and the occasional Anaya) and Morinth kills ANYONE SHE WANTS. The means by which Morinth kills are far worse than Samara's. The entire being of Morinth is one of evil. At least Samara's intentions are good.

And nice way to twist the story. Is Morinth controlling you?

"Samara had discovered Morinth had perverted an entire village, making them worship her and bringing her young asari as sacrifices. When Samara arrived, Morinth fled, throwing waves of her minions at her and buying herself time to escape with their lives. "

I'm not sure how you can still prefer Morinth KNOWING that she is capable of doing this (and much worse because she can only get stronger).

Modifié par AdamNW, 12 mai 2011 - 03:48 .