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[CroGamer002]

Lizardviking wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

When did she say she would move on Tuchanka?

She doesn't.  She actually goes there, and you can listen to her conversation with Charr next to the shuttle.

Wait, she reapears on Tuchanka?!

She does. And she doesn't seem to enjoy it.

Well, maybe she will put some stuff in order there then.

[ArmeniusLOD]

5.) Kill Chorban (Jahleed's Fears)

4.) Kill Shiala

3.) Kill Wrex

2.) Sell Legion to Cerberus

1.) Kill the Feros Colonists



I have a big problem with killing anyone who appears innocent; my conscience just won't let me do it, even just being a video game. Most of the other decisions are a real grey area for me.

[Cheese Elemental]

Geez, I wish I could list more than five choices. I choose the Paragon options for most of the big choices, regardless of my character's overall alignment.

[Barquiel]

I never...

- kill Shiala

- kill the rachni queen

- kill the council

- keep the collector base

- support charles saracino

[ArmeniusLOD]

didymos1120 wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

I'm suprised no one mentioned killing Samara yet.

Does anyone actually do that for any reason other than unlocking Dominate or getting to watch a too-stupid-to-live Shep get brain-fried?  The whole thing is so random and absurd that it's hard to consider it "real" either during or after the fact. 

I kill her with my purely renegade Shepard because it fits his personality.  I actually found her to be a little more useful once I used her more than I did initially just to unlock Dominate.  Dominate is really useful against Collectors and Husks on Insanity.

[RyuGuitarFreak]

These ones I could never, never do.



Kill Shiala



Kill the rachni queen



Chose Morinth over Samara



Let Cerberus keep David



One of the reasons I could never roleplay "my shep" renegade.

[puglous]

Wow...I did half of those when trying to be a righteous Shepard (albeit I made the decision with Patriarch kind of accidentally).

For me, when I make a Renegade decision (and, so far, I've only played Mass Effect games with my own ethics), it feels much more infused with my identity afterwards for some reason, so it's actually harder to divorce myself from my Renegade decisions than my Paragon ones (even though my choices are overwhelmingly Paragon).

For example, when I first played ME2, I kept the Collector Station and betrayed Tali's wishes on her loyalty mission.  Now, on my second playthrough, even as I start reconsidering whether those were the right things to do, I'm reluctant to take the other courses of action. 

I guess it's because Paragon decisions are sort of a "deafult" (they are what most video games would have you do if they didn't want to give you options), where as Renegade decisions really show who you are.  They are the spice of your character.

Modifié par puglous, 29 juin 2010 - 12:41 .

[didymos1120]

Shandepared wrote...

...and that's why every last one of you is a bad Spectre.

So very persuasive.

Modifié par didymos1120, 29 juin 2010 - 04:06 .

[InHarmsWay]

ArmeniusLOD wrote...

5.) Kill Chorban (Jahleed's Fears)
4.) Kill Shiala
3.) Kill Wrex
2.) Sell Legion to Cerberus
1.) Kill the Feros Colonists

I have a big problem with killing anyone who appears innocent; my conscience just won't let me do it, even just being a video game. Most of the other decisions are a real grey area for me.

Whoa, whoa, whoa. Killing Wrex is not a renegade option. You can use intimidation to get him under control, which falls under renegade. Even paragons can get him killed. I'm a paragon and I just wanted to point that out.

[Siansonea]

I have a Shepard that I created just so I could do all those nasty Renegade actions. She has no soul, she is Ruthless with a capital R, and she would be a borderline psychopath if she hadn't passed that border long ago. She killed the Rachni Queen, let Cerberus have David, killed Shiala, the Council, all the Feros colonists, and even chose Morinth over Samara. She is Just Not Right.



With all my other Shepards, though, I have a much harder time with some Renegade actions. I almost always save the Council, the Rachni Queen, Shiala, and Samara. I also almost always save Kaidan over Ashley on Virmire, save Wrex, and otherwise try not to mess up the galaxy any more than I have to. Of course I have an Eagle Scout Shepard who does his best to perform every Paragon action available in the game, so he's the complete flip side of my Psychopuppy Shepard.

[NICKjnp]

Siansonea II wrote...

I have a Shepard that I created just so I could do all those nasty Renegade actions. She has no soul, she is Ruthless with a capital R, and she would be a borderline psychopath if she hadn't passed that border long ago. She killed the Rachni Queen, let Cerberus have David, killed Shiala, the Council, all the Feros colonists, and even chose Morinth over Samara. She is Just Not Right.

With all my other Shepards, though, I have a much harder time with some Renegade actions. I almost always save the Council, the Rachni Queen, Shiala, and Samara. I also almost always save Kaidan over Ashley on Virmire, save Wrex, and otherwise try not to mess up the galaxy any more than I have to. Of course I have an Eagle Scout Shepard who does his best to perform every Paragon action available in the game, so he's the complete flip side of my Psychopuppy Shepard.

I hear you... I feal wrong and dirty after some renegad actions.  Though I'm always torn between Samara and Morinth (because I like both characters).

[ArmeniusLOD]

InHarmsWay wrote...

ArmeniusLOD wrote...

5.) Kill Chorban (Jahleed's Fears)
4.) Kill Shiala
3.) Kill Wrex
2.) Sell Legion to Cerberus
1.) Kill the Feros Colonists

I have a big problem with killing anyone who appears innocent; my conscience just won't let me do it, even just being a video game. Most of the other decisions are a real grey area for me.

Whoa, whoa, whoa. Killing Wrex is not a renegade option. You can use intimidation to get him under control, which falls under renegade. Even paragons can get him killed. I'm a paragon and I just wanted to point that out.

Well I guess it comes down to protecting yourself and your team when he pulls a gun and points it at your face, but it's still something that I'll never do.  Honestly I'd rather us both put our guns down and have at it H2H.  Of course Wrex would break me in two, but it's still better than the coward's why out.

[Dark Penitant]

Shandepared wrote...

...and that's why every last one of you is a bad Spectre.

what?! this thread is about things even renagades never do! This doesnt make them bad spectres; this makes them asinine spectres who arent racist, geno/homocidal, or stupid (though blowing up the collector base is pretty stupid IMO, i always keep it).
anyway, my 5:

5. handing over Veetor

4. Betraying Tali's trust in the trial

3. choosing samara(i did it to get reave. once. and never will again.)

2. giving up legion/ not waking up grunt (both rank about the same given that it is basically the same choice)

1.  blowing up the base (yes it is paragon, and no it shouldnt be)

EDIT: now that i think about it, many of these are actually paragon choices. Sh!t

Modifié par Dark Penitant, 29 juin 2010 - 08:14 .

[Fiery Phoenix]

InHarmsWay wrote...

ArmeniusLOD wrote...

5.) Kill Chorban (Jahleed's Fears)
4.) Kill Shiala
3.) Kill Wrex
2.) Sell Legion to Cerberus
1.) Kill the Feros Colonists

I have a big problem with killing anyone who appears innocent; my conscience just won't let me do it, even just being a video game. Most of the other decisions are a real grey area for me.

Whoa, whoa, whoa. Killing Wrex is not a renegade option. You can use intimidation to get him under control, which falls under renegade. Even paragons can get him killed. I'm a paragon and I just wanted to point that out.

You're right. It isn't. But it's still foolish and ultimately unnecessary. Even if you don't have enough Paragon/Renegade points to persuade him, by simply doing his mission, he trusts you enough to believe what you're saying and continue to side with you. You can then talk him down with a few normal dialog options, without the need to go with persuasive options.

Modifié par FieryPhoenix7, 29 juin 2010 - 06:23 .

[Fiery Phoenix]

Shand, out of curiosity, do you have a Paragonish playthrough at all? Because you seem to hold some weird fascination in being a Renegade.

[Fiery Phoenix]

Shandepared wrote...

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...

Shand, out of curiosity, do you have a Paragonish playthrough at all? Because you seem to hold some weird fascination in being a Renegade.

I used to. I rather enjoyed it. In fact my very first playthrough of ME1 was rather paragon-ish... in fact I think I was almost full paragon and only about a third renegade. ME2 was a bit different with full renegade and about half paragon.

However that was before switching 360's and losing all my old saves. So I decided to cancel my paragon run, at least for the time being.

Paragon makes for a good story, but I personally dont' agree with most of the rational put forth by the game for the paragon decisions.

I see. I think you should do a Paragon run, though. You know, just for the sake of seeing the different outcomes, like most of us have done.

[Ski Mask Wei]

I don't see how some of you can even call your characters renegade when all your important decisions are still paragon. While my main character that's closely based on how I would play it for real is paragon I can't deny the sheer awesomeness of things like killing Wrex and the Rachni queen. The look on Shepard's face is alone make it worth it. My favorite Shepard is a ruthless renegade borderline psychotic spacer **** who's does things like supporting Terra Firma, picking Udina for counselor, and getting Giana killed (her attitude pissed her off) for kicks. In ME2 she got every alien crewmember killed except for Grunt who's still in the tank and screwed over countless other npcs and I had a BLAST playing her.



I guess Latarian Milton is right: "It's fun to do bad things."

[Dark Penitant]

Shandepared wrote...

Dark Penitant wrote...

what?! this thread is about things even renagades never do!

Those aren't real renegades. A true renegade will do whatever-it-takes to get the job done.

About the only thing I've never done is reveal the evidence at Tali's trial; but that's becuase I've never had any reason to. If I can shout down the Admirals there is no reason not to. After all, my objective there is to help Tali; I don't give a damn about being truthful with the quarian public.

It's the same with Zorya in a sense; my role there is to help my team-mate so I'll do whatever they ask me to. That said, Zaeed's loyalty mission is one of the few times where I think the paragon path is just as logical as the renegade one (it might even have an advantage in this case).

I gave Veetor to Cerberus...

I let Garrus shoot Sidonis...

I let Kal risk his life...

I saved the base, I let the Council die, I killed the colonists on Feros, and I sacrificed the hostages on X571...

Spectres are supposed to succeed at any cost, the mission is always to come first, nothing else! Not innocent lives, not ethics, not justice, all that should matter to Shepard is that the mission succeeds.

When reached the Collector base only Dr. Chakwas was alive... and I didn't even give her an escort.

Edit: Also, I shot Wrex. This despite having max intimidate and having done the quest to get his family armor. The reason was simple: he pointed a gun at my Shepard. In order to reason with Wrex the Commander is forced by the script to lower his gun... Well mine would never do that. Wrex sealed his fate when he said, "This base can't be destroyed; I won't allow it!"

I had him dumped in the swamp.

while logically i agree with pretty much almost all the renagade decisions you made all i can say is:

You're an -blam-!


That said, you're right about the lack of justification for paragon actions. Especially  the collector base. i mean really, what good does destroying it do? (sorry, it is a bit of a sore point with me)

Modifié par Dark Penitant, 29 juin 2010 - 07:06 .

[Massadonious1]

Shandepared wrote..
I let Garrus shoot Sidonis...
I let Kal risk his life...

To be fair, neither of the outcomes of these decisions are mission critical. You could easily get the job done without Tali or Garrus's loyalty.

Which begs the question, why would you even do the loyalty missions in the first place? It makes more sense that a "true" renegade would spend that time gathering intel and making sure his ship could survive long enough to get Shepard and his team aboard, not dealing with someone elses daddy issues. Of course, everyone, including you, will die, but the mission is done. The base is destroyed or turned over to Cerberus. Surely they can find some other warm bodies to make good use of it. That's all that matters, right?

Regardless of what decisions you made during those missions, I think it shows that you do care about more than just the final outcome, if only just a little.

Modifié par Massadonious1, 29 juin 2010 - 07:08 .

[ResidentNoob]

Honestly, I'm fine with most Renegade decisions. The only things that I never, ever do are:

Not recruit Garrus in ME1
Kill Wrex
Keep Grunt in his tank
Give the evidence to the quarian admirals
Sell Legion to Cerberus
Get the Cerberus crew killed

...and honestly, that's about it.

Modifié par ResidentNoob, 29 juin 2010 - 11:24 .

[STG]

I am usually a paragon player but sadly I have more justification for renegade actions in the game.

My point of view on some of the OP's points:

Patriarch: Main point to make is that he is a krogan, he was dead a long time ago, and letting him go out with a bang is doing him a greater favor than letting him "live". I can imagine that both Wrex and Grunt would rather kill themselves than exist as someone's trophy.

Charr and Blue Rose of Illium: Two points to make. One, as asari said, krogan have long lives. By hooking up with him she will have to live on Tuchanka for who knows how long, maybe rest of her life. Personally I think that it doesn't matter where you live as long as you're with someone you love but that place is really not friendly to asari. Second, she will always have doubts about wether Charr really loves her or if he just wants kids and nothing else.

Geth heretics: Don't remember if it was mentioned during the mission, but main reason I find to destroy them is because they made their choice on their own. Meaning that they think differently from the rest. If connected to normal geth there might be a chance that their way of thinking will spread.

Rachni Queen: I always thought that she was a liar. If in that position I too would say whatever just to survive. It seems thats not the case since in ME2 you get a confirmation (of sorts) that she was legit.

Council: Just look at the situation. Sovereign is trying to break Vigil's protection. What little time we have is ticking away. Finally, cavalry rolls in and you have a choice between bee-lining for Sovereign or wasting time and precious firepower on potential backup. You simply can't afford any delays, regardless of the cost, when entire galaxy is at stake.

And something that had me thinking a bit:

Samara vs. Morinth: On one hand you have a mother who spent half of her life hunting her child with intent to kill her. On other you have a serial murderer who kills because of her genetic condition and narcotic addiction. Shouldn't killing Samara be paragon because you prevent a child being murdered by her mother? And shouldn't killing Morinth be renegade because in the long run you prevent deaths of countless innocents?