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[Ryzaki]

I don't usually play renegades but I can't



-Kill the Rachni Queen

-Tell Verner to get lost

-Turn Garrus Renegade (Yet I can turn Ashley/Kaidan renegade just fine :/ )

-Kill all the colonists of Zhu's Hope (I usually leave at least half of them alive even if I kill Shiala? The green Asari...I forgot her name).



In ME2

-Let Miranda kill Niket/not talk to her sister

-Let Garrus kill Sidonis

-Let Jack kill the guy in her loyalty mission

-Recruit Morinth

-Give Legion to Cerberus



...I'm a horrible renegade. *hangs head*



The one Paragon choice I can't do is rewrite the heretics. Even my most paragon guys destroy them. Better safe than sorry after all.

[cihimi]

The only things I can't make myself do:



1. kill Wrex.

2. kill the Rachni queen.

3. give up Legion.

[Xilizhra]

All of them. In fact, there are maybe five Renegade options that I can do at all... well, six.



6. Taunt the Blue Suns recruiter on Omega.

5. Snipe the Eclipse mech in Garrus' recruitment mission.

4. Blow up Captain Enyala's reception committee.

3. Blow up the Weyrloc Clanspeaker.

2. Headbutt Uvenk.

1. Kill Samara (I don't do it regularly, but I can).

[Lord_Caledore]

I never kill all the Colonists on Feros. I just don't see a point in gunning them down when you have another alternative, and one that doesn't have any significant disadvantage over gunning them down other than it being a little trickier.



I never shoot Wrex, but I always do his family armor quest, so there's really no reason to.



Never sell Legion, but I want to do his loyalty mission. I'd consider it if I didn't want to do that mission, though.



I've also never chosen Morinth over Samara. Just because she never gives me a good reason to do it, not any particular moral reason. I'd rather go with the devil I know.

[gamestress]

Main one I can't do is kill the rachni queen. I'm pretty new so i've only completed a couple of total playthroughs (me 1 thru 2). I've never seen this David! Where does he come in? Or is he in a DLC?

[CroGamer002]

Oh yeah, I never sold Legion and killed Geth Heretics nor I destroyed Genophage cure.

But I do have playthrough that didn't do Legion's and Mordin's loyalty( in which only Kasumi and unloyal Samara survived).

[Moiaussi]

Shandepared wrote...

I don't think it's practical, I think it's stupid. The Collectors may be attacking colonies, but so what? I'm out to stop them permanently but I only get one shot. It's good that the team is willing to sacrifice themselves, but I don't want that sacrifice to be in vain. Some of the loyalty missions, like Mordin's, Grunt's, and Legion's are rather important on their own anyway.

How do you know that you have the extra time, though? The last batch of abductees may have been enough for whatever the Collectors had in mind, and it may not be just the crew not getting saved, but something far more drastic and a threat to a lot more than just the crew.

You do not know in advance the relevance of those loyalty missions.

[Giggles_Manically]

In ME2 the only Renegade choice I cant do is:

Not sending an escort back with the crew.

[TheBlackBaron]

Some of you people are horrible Renegades.



As for myself, there's no option I simply won't do no matter what, but there are a few where the only time I'll choose them is when I turn my brain off and just click everything on the bottom right - such as executing Shiala, revealing the evidence at Tali's trial, and choosing Morinth over Samara.

[Dean_the_Young]

Moiaussi wrote...

Shandepared wrote...

I don't think it's practical, I think it's stupid. The Collectors may be attacking colonies, but so what? I'm out to stop them permanently but I only get one shot. It's good that the team is willing to sacrifice themselves, but I don't want that sacrifice to be in vain. Some of the loyalty missions, like Mordin's, Grunt's, and Legion's are rather important on their own anyway.

How do you know that you have the extra time, though? The last batch of abductees may have been enough for whatever the Collectors had in mind, and it may not be just the crew not getting saved, but something far more drastic and a threat to a lot more than just the crew.

You do not know in advance the relevance of those loyalty missions.

Actually... you sort of know the Collectors aren't done.

The only place justifying the size of the ship is Earth. Earth hasn't been attacked. Ergo, the Collectors haven't finished.

Past that, a lack of information isn't enough to rush in unprepared. You didn't know they weren't done before Horizon either, but then you didn't even know the need for the IFF.

[Arijharn]

I find the notion however that the Collectors would be able to attack and mass abduct people from Earth to be absolutely ridiculous anyway... the only way it would work would be if the Reapers had already arrived and had already isolated key systems, allowing the Collector's to 'harvest' humanity from it's cradleworld unimpeded.



If that's the case, then perhaps our hero will have even less time before the Reapers arrive than what was first guestimated.

[CalJones]

I usually veer towards paragon but I have a couple of renegades I enjoy playing. My most renegade character would be Travis (named after the Blake's 7 character, if anyone British is old enough to remember that show) - I play him as a ruthless, whatever it takes kind of character, rather than a "cloaca". He's generally good to his crew but he wasn't afraid to off the rachni queen and Shiala, and let the Destiny Ascension burn.

He has his limits, though:



5) Punch Mouse. There's no need for it. None.

4) Give Legion to Cerberus. From a metagaming perspective, you lose an awful lot by doing this. But even if not metagaming, then surely you would be curious about his speech and the N7 armour. Were I in Shepard's space booties, I'd want to talk to him.

3) Leaving David Archer with Cerberus. Seriously, do I have to explain this one?

2) Sending an escort back with your crew (Collector Base). If you've rushed back through the Omega 4 relay to save them, then failing to ensure they got back to the ship is nothing short of idiotic.

1) Kill Samara. Even if you have concerns that she might come and hunt you down later, having an ardat-yakshi roaming free on the Normandy is just plain irresponsible. Why would you risk your team?

[hong]

gamestress wrote...

I've never seen this David! Where does he come in? Or is he in a DLC?

He's in the Overlord DLC.

[CalJones]

Torturing someone who is mentally handicapped like that...jamming his eyes open so he can't blink, impaling his arms, sticking tubes down his throat. C'mon.

[Lord_Caledore]

CalJones wrote...

Torturing someone who is mentally handicapped like that...jamming his eyes open so he can't blink, impaling his arms, sticking tubes down his throat. C'mon.

Easily the most disturbing image in the game. *shudder*

I favor Renegade, but I couldn't leave David with Cerberus. Even if he was being removed from the device and given medical treatment...it was too much.

Modifié par Lord_Caledore, 22 octobre 2010 - 03:34 .

[Felene]

Shandepared wrote...

CalJones wrote...

Torturing someone who is mentally handicapped like that...jamming his eyes open so he can't blink, impaling his arms, sticking tubes down his throat. C'mon.

Many lives can be saved because of his suffering. It's worth it. You've got to look at the big picture.

The point of Project Overlord is to contorl Geth, first of all, its possible to control their moblie plateform, but you can't overwrite their system software, the Geth thats hostile to organic are the faction that follow the Reapers, normal Geth just want to be let alone and can be reason with.

Cerberus' goal is pointless, even if Cerberus somehow succeed, I don't believe TIM will use it for the greater good of the galaxy as a whole. Let alone save many lives.

If Shepard choose to save Legion, there is no need for Dr. Archer's research when Legion can do just fine.

One of the reason I can't give Legion to Cerberus. Hope Legion can act as a Geth ambassador, much better solution, no need to torture people, eliminated the chance of causing another war, save even more lives.

Modifié par Felene, 22 octobre 2010 - 11:00 .

[Christmas Ape]

By what inconceivably lax standard was Overlord even bordering on successful enough to be justified? "Stuff was happening that involved geth"? "Not everybody was dead yet"?
Now, I think it's been established that my sympathies lie with Cerberus-as-implied if not Cerberus-as-mislabeled, but even I'm forced to say that Overlord was an abject disaster. What we wanted was a means to influence and optimally control the geth using the underlying mathematics of geth language - apparently we think we're really persuasive, or that for some reason the geth are responsive to commands. What we got was a hostile synthesized intelligence trying to use any means at its disposal to run the hell away from us. We have synthetic intelligence that doesn't want anything to do with us and will respond with hostility if disturbed - they're called geth!
In the same way locking a xenophobic (as a diagnostic not an epithet) in a room with aliens and calling his terrified gibbering under the table "negotiations", we were achieving "control" of the geth. It deserved to be scrapped, and hard, for wasting organizational resources and manpower - fortunately David already made that happen and Shepard was just there to pack up the office supplies and make sure everybody turned in their security passes.

Modifié par Christmas Ape, 22 octobre 2010 - 05:01 .

[Dave of Canada]

Felene wrote...

We already got Legion, we don't need Dr. Archer's research when Legion can do just fine.

Assuming Legion even works that way and that you already did his quest, else your metagaming.

[Christmas Ape]

Shandepared wrote...

Christmas Ape wrote...
By what inconceivably lax standard was Overlord even bordering on successful enough to be justified?

An entire legion of geth and other electronic devices were controlled by a human-V.I. interface.

"Stuff was happening involving geth". Got it. And, to be fair, I guess everybody wasn't dead yet. Two gold stars for Overlord - this one's going in the newsletter! <_<
They were being controlled for values of control that are completely useless to the organization and/or are indistinguishable from geth operating under self-direction. You could similarly call the derelict Reaper a fixed-position indoctrination device, but that doesn't change the fact that you can't f---ing well do anything of value with it. Overlord was in no way producing the desired results any more than Slotin's death proved the atomic bomb. This just in, geth kill people.

Frankly, we should have completely neutralized the project . Pack up the geth still in stasis, wipe all the electronics, shoot everybody, Thannix the buildings to smoking earth. Only way to be sure the local geth network hasn't been able to influence David or other systems in turn.

[Dave of Canada]

Christmas Ape wrote...
"Stuff was happening involving geth". Got it. And, to be fair, I guess everybody wasn't dead yet. Two gold stars for Overlord - this one's going in the newsletter! <_<
They were being controlled for values of control that are completely useless to the organization and/or are indistinguishable from geth operating under self-direction. You could similarly call the derelict Reaper a fixed-position indoctrination device, but that doesn't change the fact that you can't f---ing well do anything of value with it. Overlord was in no way producing the desired results any more than Slotin's death proved the atomic bomb. This just in, geth kill people.

Frankly, we should have completely neutralized the project . Pack up the geth still in stasis, wipe all the electronics, shoot everybody, Thannix the buildings to smoking earth. Only way to be sure the local geth network hasn't been able to influence David or other systems in turn.

It proved Geth could be controlled and used. Considering how the project started most likely earlier when Heretic Geth were rampaging through the galaxy, the ability of converting them into shock troopers to fight the Reapers and saving the lives of all the human / alien soldiers in the war against the Reapers would be invaluable.

That's excluding the weapon / defense capabilities of being able to hack into other ships and taking control of it.

As Archer says, if David is the only person who suffers in the galaxy but bajillions more get to live, is it not the better alternative?

[Xilizhra]

As Archer says, if David is the only person who suffers in the galaxy but bajillions more get to live, is it not the better alternative?

This also leads to bajilions of geth being enslaved. And ignores the high probability that the geth will get involved in the Reaper war on their own. It's a false dichotomy.

[jwalker]

Damn, late to the party...

Anyway, there are many renegade choices I can't make.

Mesina already mentioned some of my no-choices...



I never kill the Rachni Queen.

Always persuade the Blue Rose of Illium to marry Char.

Always free David (Overlord)

Never kill Samara

Always persuade Miranda to talk to her sister.