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[Ryzaki]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

If you intend to kill someone, kill them and get over with it.

Protracted deaths for effect have the same corrosive effect as beating someone for punishment.

And? I get personal enjoyment out of it. What's it to do with you? 

[snfonseka]

Mesina2 wrote...

Number #5

Let Patriarch get killed

Seriously I just can't use Renegade persude at him so that he attacks assassins and get himself killed.
He is most awesome Krogan!
Well beside Grunt and Wrex.
Fortunately I always have enogh Paragon points to be his krantt.

Number #4

Persude Asari to dump Charr

He and Thax are only Krogans... no only NPCs that shocked me in Mass Effect 2!
Seriously a poet Krogan?! How can you not like him?! How can you make his girlfriend dump him?!

Number #3

Blow up Geth Heretics on Legion loyalty mission.

I know what are you thinking: "Dude, they serve Reapers and they aren't indoctrinated nor they are forced, they are obviously bad guys. Also what about Eden Prime, Feros and Citadel? Sure they will be usefull against Reapers but why is hard to blow them up?"
My answer, I don't know.
I just can't.
Even before Legion I found Geth awesome.

Number #2

Kill Rachni Queen.

Actually I did killed her once. I felt like a total douchbag.
Why I can't kill her anymore.
First genocide, unless mosquitoes are subject I'm not really fan of genocide in real life and fiction.
Second, why kill her? It was like 2000 years from Rachni Wars, not even Asari live that long so forgive and forget. Besides Sovereign indoctrinated previous Rachni Queen so it's not them to blame.

Number #1

Let Cerberus keep David.

Seriously!? Seriously do I have to explain this one?!
I...  just... really you have no soul if let them keep him.
It's just pointless torture. Nothing good will come out of that.



Hornable mention.

Let Geth destroy Destiny Ascension.

Seeing that commander and later finding out later that there were 5000 people made me feel bad.
But I killed those 3 douchbags so I don't feel sorry much.

Are you sure you are talking about your Renegade Shep?

[Dean_the_Young]

Ryzaki wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

If you intend to kill someone, kill them and get over with it.

Protracted deaths for effect have the same corrosive effect as beating someone for punishment.

And? I get personal enjoyment out of it. What's it to do with you? 

Does advising against sadism fantasies (and practice) really need a further explanation than that?

[Ryzaki]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

If you intend to kill someone, kill them and get over with it.

Protracted deaths for effect have the same corrosive effect as beating someone for punishment.

And? I get personal enjoyment out of it. What's it to do with you? 

Does advising against sadism fantasies (and practice) really need a further explanation than that?

Renegade is sadistic fantasies on some parts. 

...Or did people actually thinking electriying that guy wasn't painful, or punching that reporter harsh. Shep *is* wearing metal gauntlets. 

Heck you can tell a guy he's going to bleed out and laugh snidely as he runs off. (He's not going to bleed out but that doesn't stop the line from being sadistic). 

Also: Tis a video game. Lighten up. 

If I was suggesting go around killing innocent women and children then I might see where you're coming from. There was nothing innocent about Gavin. 

Though if I wanted to be a right bastard I'd have hooked him up to that machine he had David in and left him there. Alas. It probably wouldn't be of any help with the Geth but letting him know how those tubes down one's throat and having their eyes forced open unblinkingly might've taught him something about basic human decency. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 23 octobre 2010 - 04:26 .

[Dean_the_Young]

I didn't electrify the guy to kill him painfully: I electrified the guy to kill him to keep him from repairing the gun ship.

Had I the choice, I would have preferred to slit his neck. But the medium decided for me.

I don't punch the reporter. Much more satisfying to make the Renegade check.



Guilty people are the ones you most need self-control towards. Safeguards of society don't exist for when they're easy to do. We put up safeguards for when it's hard not to act. Once you deligitimize them and pretend you aren't violating a principle, human behavior inevitably returns to doing that over and over again because it's convenient to and you've already crossed a precident.

Modifié par Dean_the_Young, 23 octobre 2010 - 04:29 .

[Ryzaki]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

I didn't electrify the guy to kill him painfully: I electrified the guy to kill him to keep him from repairing the gun ship.

Had I the choice, I would have preferred to slit his neck. But the medium decided for me.

I don't punch the reporter. Much more satisfying to make the Renegade check.

And some did. You doing it =/= everybody else doing it. 

Plus did you choose the whole "felt good though" choice. 

...Is it even a choice? I always felt that my Shep said that no matter what I did. D:  

Guilty people are the ones you most need self-control towards. Safeguards of society don't exist for when they're easy to do. We put up safeguards for when it's hard not to act. Once you deligitimize them and pretend you aren't violating a principle, human behavior inevitably returns to doing that over and over again because it's convenient to and you've already crossed a precident.

Two words: 

Video. Game. 

In real life 90% of the people my Shep met would've gotten arrested, He would not be working with Cerberus OR would've been gathering enough information on them to help the alliance shut down many of their operations. 

Alas since it's a VG I can't do those things. 

So I satisfy myself by beating bad guys into the ground and shooting them in the head. 

And I love the irony in this when you support working with Cerberus regarding the base. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 23 octobre 2010 - 07:21 .

[brfritos]

FuturePasTimeCE wrote...

what happens to the guy on omega if you don't interrupt him?

He's killed by Garrus/Archangel in the beginning of his recruitment mission.

[Ryzaki]

brfritos wrote...

FuturePasTimeCE wrote...

what happens to the guy on omega if you don't interrupt him?

He's killed by Garrus/Archangel in the beginning of his recruitment mission.

...Oh yeah that's another paragon interrupt my renegades (renegons) can't take. The kid was drunk and stupid...he didn't deserve to die for that. 

[PauseforEffect]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Guilty people are the ones you most need self-control towards. Safeguards of society don't exist for when they're easy to do. We put up safeguards for when it's hard not to act. Once you deligitimize them and pretend you aren't violating a principle, human behavior inevitably returns to doing that over and over again because it's convenient to and you've already crossed a precident.

Isn't that what people are accusing Cerberus of?

[Nizzemancer]

didymos1120 wrote...

OK, there's nothing I'd never do. I'll always do stuff just to see the outcome. Stuff that I won't do on an "official" playthrough is a different story.  And instead of the big 5, which tend not to vary much from person to person, I'll list some lesser ones from each game:

ME1:

1. Execute Chorban for pulling a gun on me.  That was Jahleed's stupid fault.
2. Go full Renegade in my responses to Rear Admiral Mikhailovich.  Too much xenophobic, jingoistic @sshattery for my taste.
3. Tell Tali to suck it when she asks for the Geth data you found.
4. Help Schells' with his cheat-o-tron project.  Guy just bugs me, and Doran's dance moves are just too awesome.
5. Tell Girard to take Talitha out with the sniper.  That's just FUBAR.


ME2:

1. Rat Mouse out to Kelham.  Seriously: what the hell? Vengeance for the Shepard VI?
2. Force the batarian bartender to drink the poisoned shot. I just enjoy it more when I get the Turian to shoot him.
3. Let that kid sign up to go after Archangel. 
4. Give the fake IDs to those Asari chicks.  Arguing with the dim-bulb security lady is funnier.
5. Kill the batarians who cornered David after they honor the deal.

I play paragon and I ALWAYS make the batarian drink the shot. Nobody messes with my party-time.

[CalJones]

My renegades get Miranda to talk to her sister too. As I said, my renegades are ruthless, but they do care about their crew. (I do let Jacob give his dad a gun, though - not like he didn't deserve that).

I've persuaded the Asari to reject Char once. I'd never been able to do it before but after seeing her on Tuchanka with him, it really doesn't seem that she'll be happy (metagaming I know, but it made it easier for me to choose the renegade option when I had to).

Regarding the kid on Omega, if you don't interrupt him, he joins the mercs and gets killed (probably be a headshot from Garrus). So yes, I generally use the paragon interrupt on him with all characters.

I don't usually punch the reporter either. Even my most renegade Shep isn't that much of a dick. And using the renegade speech option is a lot more satisfying, actually.

In ME1, I can't kill the colonists when there's a perfectly viable alternative. Travis (my most pro-human renegade) would rather see a human colony do well, which promotes humanity. He was quite happy to kill the rachni queen, shoot Shiala and leave the Ascension to burn, though.

On the other hand, almost all my characters kill or arrest Balak. Much as it's sad to let Kate Bowman die, letting a terrorist go free is just idiotic.

[brfritos]

CalJones wrote...

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In ME1, I can't kill the colonists when there's a perfectly viable alternative. Travis (my most pro-human renegade) would rather see a human colony do well, which promotes humanity. He was quite happy to kill the rachni queen, shoot Shiala and leave the Ascension to burn, though.

You know, I never understood the reason behind killing Shiala.

Saving the colony is coherent, because is a human colony after all and the colonists are in the control of the Thorian. Plus you have a weapon that disable the colonists without killing them, so there's really no excuse for destroying the colony.
But this is true to Shiala too, she's in the control of the Thorian.

I wish there's a option to arrest her, since she was cooperating with Saren and will be more important to question her about him.
I don't like the option to let her help the colony because "amends" either.
I do this in the quest about Dr. Wayne, even if I have the Sole Survivor background, I think it's more important to know what happened on Akuse (but I can understand those who kill him, revenge is a powerfull feeling, even Hackett acknowledge this).

And if we kill Shiala because she's a alien, why people treat Tali and Liara good on the Normandy?

[BuddyBurkman]

I did all of the above and did not feel a freaking thing. I already have an extremist Paragon Shepard. Why not have an extremist Renegade Shepard?

[Zaxares]

ME1:

1. Killing Shiala. Murdering a surrendered prisoner in cold blood is something I just can't condone.
2. Killing the Rachni Queen. Genocide. Enough said.
3. Killing Rana Thanoptis. I find it very hard to hurt women.
4. Refuse to give Tali the Geth data for her pilgrimage. (You are a bad, bad, BAD person.)

ME2:

1. Tell Kelham it was Mouse who betrayed him. Seriously, WHY would you ever do that?
2. Betray Samara to Morinth.
3. Allow Cerberus to keep David in Project Overlord.
4. Kill the batarians who have David as a hostage in Mordin's recruitment mission. I'm pretty big on honouring agreements.
5. Tell Dr Chakwas that you "didn't come here for them". That's just cruel.

[Markinator_123]

Why can't some of you tell that Asari to get rid of Charr? I do it all of time. I knew some of you were softies but feeling bad about telling her to get rid of that annoying poetry reading krogan sounds too heart bleeding to me.

Modifié par Markinator_123, 24 octobre 2010 - 01:05 .

[Xilizhra]

Well, Paragon Shepard has a very good point to make about trust there.

[DPSSOC]

Zaxares wrote...
1. Tell Kelham it was Mouse who betrayed him. Seriously, WHY would you ever do that?

Wait...you can actually do that?  I usually pull the "I'm a Spectre" line or beat the snot out of him so I've never had the opportunity.  Anywho my five

Mass Effect 1
- Threaten Emily Wong for more money for Fists files
- Renegade my way through the interview with the long named reporter (I just feel like a ****** with some of the choices)
- Shoot Wrex
- Leave that one Salarian in his cell on Virmire (not the crazy one the other one)
- Screw over Gianna on Noveria

Mass Effect 2
- Give Veetor to Cerberus (did it once, saw the result, never again)
- Pick Morinth over Samara (I'm Renegade, not stupid)
- Not encourage Miranda to talk to Oriana
- Give Ronald Taylor a gun (happily let the Hunters kill him though)
- Let Garrus kill Sidonis (Garrus' actions are a result of what I taught him, failed to teach him, making it my responsibility to stop him)

[Ieldra]

Hmm....let's see. These are the decisions I never tried, not even for metagaming or to see how they'd turn out:

ME1:
(1) Betray Gianna Parasini to Anoleis
(2) Refuse to give Tali the data from the "Geth Incursions" mission sequence
(3) Refuse the anti-Thorian grenades on Feros and/or tell my team to shoot everything. Some colonists usually end up dead anyway in my Renegade games, but the colony always survives.
(4) Kill Jax - I guess that's the result if you try to arrest him.

There are a few more I never tried but they don't count because I wasn't aware of them at the time.

ME2:
(1) Give the evidence over at Tali's trial.
(2) Kill Samara and recruit Morinth
(3) Refuse to send a team member to escort the crew on the Collector base.
(4) Give Veetor to Cerberus
(5) Kill the batarians who threatened David on Mordin's recruitment mission.

I think all others I did try at least once to find out what the result would be, though I did reload after some.

Markinator_123 wrote...
Why can't some of you tell that Asari to get rid of Charr? I do it all of time. I knew some of you were softies but feeling bad about telling her to get rid of that annoying poetry reading krogan sounds too heart bleeding to me.

I almost always tell her to get rid of him. If I don't, I tend to feel I've made the wrong decision and it will turn out badly for her.

[GuardianAngel470]

Ryzaki wrote...

brfritos wrote...

FuturePasTimeCE wrote...

what happens to the guy on omega if you don't interrupt him?

He's killed by Garrus/Archangel in the beginning of his recruitment mission.

...Oh yeah that's another paragon interrupt my renegades (renegons) can't take. The kid was drunk and stupid...he didn't deserve to die for that. 

My Paragade Shep doesn't like emails. They bother him, make him mad. He does everything he can to not get them.

Die, son, for your hubris.

[crooked]

Markinator_123 wrote...

Why can't some of you tell that Asari to get rid of Charr? I do it all of time. I knew some of you were softies but feeling bad about telling her to get rid of that annoying poetry reading krogan sounds too heart bleeding to me.

Are you hating on my beloved Krogan Poet? One of my favourite ME2 characters. Being suspectible to awesomeness doesn't make you a softie.

[Hopefire]

I'm hoping we see something in ME3 like if you've set the Asari up with the Krogan, when you visit the Krogan in ME3 she's a Krogan Shaman, and has killed and eaten her former boyfriend.

[Dean_the_Young]

PrimalEden wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Guilty people are the ones you most need self-control towards. Safeguards of society don't exist for when they're easy to do. We put up safeguards for when it's hard not to act. Once you deligitimize them and pretend you aren't violating a principle, human behavior inevitably returns to doing that over and over again because it's convenient to and you've already crossed a precident.

Isn't that what people are accusing Cerberus of?

Not really. But Cerberus thread is <--> way.

I am an supporter of reigning Cerberus in and reestablishing controls to put limits on their abuses.

[Xilizhra]

Reining. REINING. There is no "g" in this word.

[Dean_the_Young]

I deliberately throw in typos here and there to annoy the grammer national socialists.

[Dean_the_Young]

I deliberately throw in typos here and there to annoy the grammer national socialists.