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[Omicrone]

Maybe the idea of deluding yourself about DPS directly translating in most damage or best gun or reciting random numbers that have no relationship to actual gameplay experience sounds good to you too, hm? Honestly, take your own advice about software development cause with your kind of logic you'd be out of a job before you even start. The discussion we started was which does more damage Claymore or Scimitar. The answer is clear, and yet you come here trying to convince us that claymore does more damage only through cheating. LOL @ that. Cheat or not, it can be done on an unmodded game and it's there for everyone to use. So save us your wise words and produce a video proving us wrong. If not, there's really no need to discuss what's a bug and what isn't cause that matter is subjective, unlike the hard fact that the claymore does more damage and kills faster than the scimitar.

[jwalker]

Kronner wrote...

You cannot compare the reload trick (not just Claymore, it works with all weapons) with editing game files. One is in the game, the other is just you making the game better according yourself.

I don't see a big difference. Just a practical one.
In Lazarus Project there's another exploit, one that allows you to max out both paragon and renegade bars. Or you just can edit your save file. But if you do the former, you can't honestly say "I didn't cheat because is in the game"

[Ecael]

The Spamming Troll wrote...

how about charging with the hand canon?

I recently started a Vanguard on Insanity, and I've done this a few times just for the heck of it.



Question to Neuzhelin: If I don't want to use the reload trick, would Viper charging be better than all the shotguns?

[Mx_CN3]

Ecael wrote...


Question to Neuzhelin: If I don't want to use the reload trick, would Viper charging be better than all the shotguns?

Just judging by the charts on the Mass Effect wiki and the guns' upgrades, it looks like viper charging is better against armor than any of the shotguns, but not as good against barriers and shields.

It should also be mentioned that getting headshots with sniper rifle in melee range can't be easy, but isn't a problem with shotguns.

This is all just from basic charts and speculation, so I could be wrong.

[Neuzhelin]

Ecael wrote...

Question to Neuzhelin: If I don't want to use the reload trick, would Viper charging be better than all the shotguns?

I took up the habbit of charging Scions with the viper sniper rifle, it is more effective as Scions have a large hit box. Against regular enemies you miss too much because of the spread and don't have the extra damage against non-armored targets. It is very similar to charging with a pistol.

[Neuzhelin]

Just judging by the charts on the Mass Effect wiki and the guns' upgrades, it looks like viper charging is better against armor than any of the shotguns, but not as good against barriers and shields.

It should also be mentioned that getting headshots with sniper rifle in melee range can't be easy, but isn't a problem with shotguns.

This is all just from basic charts and speculation, so I could be wrong.

You are correct and you can see it in my latest video(s). Oh, and headshots are irrelevant. You don't zoom in but just spray from the closest possible distance.

Modifié par Neuzhelin, 01 juillet 2010 - 09:18 .

[Mx_CN3]

Neuzhelin wrote...

Oh, and headshots are irrelevant.

How so?  It's potential extra damage, why is that irrelevant?

Neuzhelin wrote...
You don't zoom in but just spray from the closest possible distance.

Ah, I see what you're saying.  My point is that headshot damage should factor in somewhere, since you essentially never hit them with a sniper, but you can easily do it with a shotgun.  I was speaking strictly in terms of comparison.

Modifié par Mx_CN3, 01 juillet 2010 - 09:25 .

[Ecael]

Neuzhelin wrote...

Ecael wrote...

Question to Neuzhelin: If I don't want to use the reload trick, would Viper charging be better than all the shotguns?

I took up the habbit of charging Scions with the viper sniper rifle, it is more effective as Scions have a large hit box. Against regular enemies you miss too much because of the spread and don't have the extra damage against non-armored targets. It is very similar to charging with a pistol.

Should I stick with the Eviscerator and go for Sniper Rifles instead?

[Neuzhelin]

How so?  It's potential extra damage, why is that irrelevant?

Potential - yes. Relevant - no. The only enemies that should be considered for charging with a sniper rifle are Scions stripped of shields YMIR Mechs and stripped of barriers Harbringers. Then there are mini bosses that have armor behind shields/barriers and aiming for their head will get you more misses then headshots, hence it is irrelevant.

Modifié par Neuzhelin, 01 juillet 2010 - 09:38 .

[Neuzhelin]

Should I stick with the Eviscerator and go for Sniper Rifles instead?

Generally Scions are rarely alone and as for other armored enemies they have shields/barriers you are better off shotgunning so sticking with Eviscerator should generally prefered dps wise. Nevertheless, I am sure you can think of some encounters where Viper spray is viable. I posted this video showing that it is possible to be effective and viable with a charging sniper rifle (viper and only viper) strategy

Modifié par Neuzhelin, 01 juillet 2010 - 09:38 .

[Mx_CN3]

Neuzhelin wrote...

How so?  It's potential extra damage, why is that irrelevant?

Potential - yes. Relevant - no. The only enemies that should be considered for charging with a sniper rifle are Scions stripped of shields YMIR Mechs and stripped of barriers Harbringers. Then there are mini bosses that have armor behind shields/barriers and aiming for their head will get you more misses then headshots, hence it is irrelevant.

I see now, I thought you were talking about any given enemy.  I agree that they don't matter against scions, but you still can do some extra headshot damage against a stripped Harbinger.  Probably not enough to make a difference, but they are still a variable.

[Neuzhelin]

I see now, I thought you were talking about any given enemy.  I agree that they don't matter against scions, but you still can do some extra headshot damage against a stripped Harbinger.  Probably not enough to make a difference, but they are still a variable.

The shots fired by the viper tend to have a rather large spread area and if you aim for the head instead of the body you have a rather high risk of missing and the ocasional headshot does not pay off when you spray with the viper. If you instead aim for the body your "miss" will most likely hit something (legs or maybe even head). Well, I suggest you try it.

Modifié par Neuzhelin, 01 juillet 2010 - 10:04 .

[Mx_CN3]

Neuzhelin wrote...

The shots fired by the viper tend to have a rather large spread area and if you aim for the head instead of the body you have a rather high risk of missing and the ocasional headshot does not pay off when you spray with the viper. If you instead aim for the body your "miss" will most likely hit something (legs or maybe even head). Well, I suggest you try it.

My point was that you can make headshots with a shotgun (and thus would go for them) and you cannot reliably  make them with a sniper rifle (and thus would  not go for them).  This means that if you're comparing shotgun vs sniper rifle damage at close range, the shotgun gets an extra edge because of its ability to reliably land headshots.  Whether or not it matters is another point entirely, I was just being fair.

I'd still use the sniper against scions in any case, and would still use the shotgun against Harbinger unless he was alone and I already had a SR out.  Either way, which weapon you use doesn't really matter unless you're trying something fun and new (such as your video) or going for a speed run.

[Neuzhelin]

the shotgun gets an extra edge because of its ability to reliably land headshots. 

That is the part I misunderstood, as I believed you addressed SR headshots (and your are absolutely right about the shotgun ones).

Modifié par Neuzhelin, 01 juillet 2010 - 11:07 .

[Neuzhelin]

Another shameless necro of a thread because I will be uploading more videos with the new DLC and want more opinions.