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[santaclausemoreau]

Just wondering... Is it possible to give her anything that may help her control the Geth? Also, can you openly support her in front of the admiralty board?

[Zack56]

I am fairly certain that you can't give anything to her directly or directly support her but you can give the admiralty board the info from the Aleri (and make Tali really made in doing so) and you can also tell the board good luck in the war with the geth (making Tali even more ticked). I would never do either and would rather launch Xen out the airlock for trying to enslave the geth.

[ArmeniusLOD]

You can only support either side of the geth conflict through passive conversation. If you talk to the admirals before taking back the Alarei you can talk to them after the conclusion of the trial to either show your support for a war or support for open conversation. Also, I think handing over the evidence could possibly influence something in ME3. Other than that, nothing really obvious comes out of it.

[santaclausemoreau]

ahhh... ok thanks. that helps my theory that Xen is going to be a major adversary in me3

[Zack56]

Shandepared wrote...

Nope, you can't give her anything. It's a shame but Shepard is set-up to be against her. When she asks you if you found anything she should see Tali will (paragon) interrupt you.

Personally I think she's the sanest and most rational person on the board.

Just as fair warning, brick wall of text.

I still agree with Tali in saying that Xen is insane for trying to enslave the geth. Xen views the geth just as the reapers view organics only she just wants them as permanent tools. She even endorces brainwashing them just as the reapers do to organics. I still say that the Quarians as a race never made the mistake in origionally creating the geth but the extra AI research kinda stretches that but they were completely wrong by going to war with them. Instead of trying to shut the geth down after they gained individual awareness, the Quariens should have tolled the geth right from the get go and say that they were origionally created as mechanical aid, were not intended to gain full awareness, and should have given them the choice to stay and help the quarians or leave to do as they wish. In ME1, Tali says that the Quarians believed the geth would rebell against the slavery and would attack in rebellion so they attacked first and we all know the result of that. In ME2, Legion says that after the Quarians launched the attack on the geth, the geth fought for continued survival and didn't understand the Quarians motivations for the attack in what they call the Morning War. If the two species were to hear each others side of the story, I'm sure an understanding could be reached.

[didymos1120]

Shandepared wrote...

Zack56 wrote...

 Xen views the geth just as the reapers view organics only she just wants them as permanent tools.

 
Then I'm crazy too because I see the geth as just being machines the same way Xen does. 

Xen is nuts because her goal is nigh-on delusional (in the sense of psychopathology) given the Quarians' current situation, not to mention the risk involved if the attempt fails.  Sanest and most rational my ass.

Modifié par didymos1120, 29 juin 2010 - 04:21 .

[faction699]

Shandepared wrote...

Nope, you can't give her anything. It's a shame but Shepard is set-up to be against her. When she asks you if you found anything she should see Tali will (paragon) interrupt you.

Personally I think she's the sanest and most rational person on the board.

Her mail, to me, implies something alot more sinister than simply enslaving the geth and using them to settle back on the Quarian homeworld.  To me it implies she intends to use them aggresively for alot more than that.  That's just the vibe I got from her tone though.

[MadCat221]

Shandepared wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

Xen is nuts because her goal is nigh-on delusional (in the sense of psychopathology) given the Quarians' current situation, not to mention the risk involved if the attempt fails.  Sanest and most rational my ass.

She is not nuts. Rael's plan met with great progress before he botched it by getting careless. We know from Legion's loyalty mission that it IS possible to permanently "hack" the geth. Xen's plan is the most efficient should the quarians decide to go to war.

It is utterly sane and practical.

A Geth collective entity was the one who actually reprogrammed the Heretics.  Deep inside a Heretic base.  After being inserted in there by a stealth ship.  And after clogging the Heretic computer systems with junk data to distract them.

A Quarian doesn't have the network hacking powers of 1,137 Geth programs and a direct data interface.  The slaughter of the Quarian infiltration team would be bloody, as they certainly would not approach stealthily, as the Normandy SR2 and any Normandy SR1 class ships are currently the only known ships with space stealth.

Xen's plan is utterly insane and suicidal.

The gist that I got was that Rael got careless because they weren't making progress.

Modifié par MadCat221, 29 juin 2010 - 04:56 .

[santaclausemoreau]

see. this whole argument is the reason why i think its goin to lead up to a paragon/renegade fork in the third game. enslavement or friendship with the geth is inevitable

[lovgreno]

Not anything I can think of. A bit of a shame, she is a interesting character. I hope she returns in ME3 with a more central part of the plot. She could be both a good ally or enemy in Shepards story.

[Bann Duncan]

Keep fighting the good fight, Shandepared

[faction699]

Shandepared wrote...

faction699 wrote...

Her mail, to me, implies something alot more sinister than simply enslaving the geth and using them to settle back on the Quarian homeworld.  To me it implies she intends to use them aggresively for alot more than that.  That's just the vibe I got from her tone though.

The worst she can do is terrorize the Terminus. Otherwise the quarians don't really have the population to justify anything greater than that. Wars are driven by economy and as they settle down the quarian economy isn't going to be all that large. 

Yeah, but the Geth they'd have would make a pretty big difference to that.  Regardless, it's still something to think about.  Perhaps something on a smaller scale (ie not a war) but still questionable.  She definitely doesn't sound like all she's interested in is benefits for her people via nonviolence, especially with the snide remark about how humanity could have benefitted.  Sounds sorta like "you could've been with me, but now you're against me."  I'm really looking forward to how ME3 deals with Xen for this reason, there's plenty of ways to interpret her intentions.

[STG]

faction699 wrote...

Her mail, to me, implies something alot more sinister than simply enslaving the geth and using them to settle back on the Quarian homeworld.  To me it implies she intends to use them aggresively for alot more than that.  That's just the vibe I got from her tone though.

Same here.

[Nightwriter]

Xen struck me much as the Illusive Man did: as a very clever person whose intentions are not to be trusted.

You can smell the ambition on her, just like you can with the Illusive Man, and also like with the Illusive Man it's not an entirely good smell. Of course if ambition is a trait you prize highly you are going to like Xen, and also the Illusive Man.

Opinions.

[Massadonious1]

Shandepared wrote...
Rael's plan met with great progress before he botched it by getting careless. 

Active Geth rebelling against their Quarian overlords?

Yes, who could see that coming.

[Nightwriter]

It's like this game has this pattern it keeps repeating, any experiments in the name of gain or ambition blow up in the experimenter's face... you'd think if you got your hand caught in a mouse trap so many times...

[STG]

Look at this, having your hand caught in a mouse trap, heavy risk... but the cheeese.

[lovgreno]

Nightwriter wrote...

Xen struck me much as the Illusive Man did: as a very clever person whose intentions are not to be trusted.

You can smell the ambition on her, just like you can with the Illusive Man, and also like with the Illusive Man it's not an entirely good smell. Of course if ambition is a trait you prize highly you are going to like Xen, and also the Illusive Man.

Opinions.

Yes exactly. They are also both (perhaps a little too much) willing to take high risks, even with the safety of their own race. They also considers themselves to stand above anyone elses judgment. The difference is perhaps that Xen is more willing to take the consequences of her actions herself than the illusive Timmy. Xen acts openly wich makes her a more reliable and probably also more resourcefull ally. Few secrets is also usualy a sign of competence and vice versa.

So I would trust Xen more than Timmy, not that you will be more free or safe working with Xen compared to the Council and especialy not Cerberus. It's probably best to include her on the list of powerfull people that it's best to keep a good relation to in case you will need them one day.

[Zaisha_temp]

lovgreno wrote...
So I would trust Xen more than Timmy, not that you will be more free or safe working with Xen compared to the Council and especialy not Cerberus. It's probably best to include her on the list of powerfull people that it's best to keep a good relation to in case you will need them one day.

I would include her in a list of people I will likely need to bury to prevent/end future atrocities. Others on that list include, but are not limited to, little TIMmy, Zaieed and Ballak.

The "power/revenge at any price" types always end up being more trouble than they're worth. At best they're useful in the short term, but they'll always turn on you in the long term. That is, if their high risk/high reward plans don't fatally explode in their faces before they can backstab you with them.