[quote]Shandepared wrote...
Give the geth lobotomies then. Problem solved. [/quote]
But I don't want to cuz that would be wrong.
Just make non-sentient robots to do the work you want them to do. Jeez. Don't lobotomize already sentient robots.
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I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. [/quote]
It would seem so.
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[quote]Nightwriter wrote...
Guard against every race in the galaxy, if you will, because the Reapers could use them all.[/quote]
I do and that's why I think Ashley is a smart girl. [/quote]
I have an idea: kill everyone who could ever possibly pose a danger.
Then there won't be a galaxy left to defend and you'll save resources. Problem solved.
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Thermal clips (lol retcon), their barriers, particle beams, whatever weapons their ships were employing in the battle of the Citadel. Whatever weapon it was that killed Samesh's wife. [/quote]
Oh. Meh.
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No it isn't, it is basic politics. I cannot safeguard myself against a nation which will not engange in any kind of diplomacy or trade with me and which I cannot effectively spy on. [/quote]
1. Legion will talk to you.
2. You could spy on them.
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For someone who preaches pragmatism, you demonstrate a remarkable ability to throw away your most valuable tools.[/quote]
Their value goes hand in hand with their danger. [/quote]
Rofl, and he keeps the Collector base.
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[quote]Nightwriter wrote...
We don't know how they work at all. We don't know how they've evolved. [/quote]
Those are purely physical developments. [/quote]
You don't know that, either. You don't know anything. Only a fool thinks hardware develops while software doesn't.
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If they want war, they're going to keep trying to study geth and find an edge against them, just like Rael.[/quote]
Yes, that's why I'm so optimistic.
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That's why I'm so pessimistic.
They're going to keep making mistakes. Ova and ova and ova.
Good news, though: I think Cerberus has started a support group they can use. "Bunglers Anonymous" or something, I believe.
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#127
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Posté 05 juillet 2010 - 06:10
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Nightwriter wrote...
I have an idea: kill everyone who could ever possibly pose a danger.
Then there won't be a galaxy left to defend and you'll save resources. Problem solved.
You know, Nightwriter, I encountered this very same argument a year ago on the old forums. A charming lady named Kahra insisted on using it. It is a very flawed argument. As much as I hate analogies I'm going to use the same one here that I used back then.
You have a village in Africa and recently a lion has begun prowling around the edges. You have many children and livestock in this village and so it is likely that sooner or later the lion may kill somebody or a valuable animal. To rectify this problem a few villagers and I shoot the lion.
To stay consistent, we then go on an journey across Africa and kill every single lion on the continent.
Sensible, don't you think?
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1. Legion will talk to you.
2. You could spy on them.
Legion has waited too long and in the process of "talking to me" he's used my ship to secure geth interests (Heretic station) and he's spied on my crew. He's done nothing to earn trust.
Also no, the geth cannot be easily spied on. If that were the case we'd already know everything about them.
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Rofl, and he keeps the Collector base.
The Collector base is not dangerous.
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Only a fool thinks hardware develops while software doesn't.
It doesn't need to develop in any meanginful way in order to adapt to a new platform design. Regardless, the quarians have plenty of time to study their enemy. I see no reaosn that anything the geth do would be beyond anybody's understanding. They are not unknowable gods.
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That's why I'm so pessimistic.
That's a start so I'm proud of you.
#128
Posté 05 juillet 2010 - 06:15
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The Quarians sealed their fate when they decided to start disabling machines they created. They could've just convinced the geth their purpose was to be slaves to the quarians, instead of attacking them. Like Legion said, the geth were defending themselves. And it doesn't help that the Quarians have not once tried to negotiate, they just attack them. A lot of people don't realize that the geth aren't using Rannoch, they're just keeping it clean, as if they're going to give it back to the quarians. Maybe if the quarians use their expertise to help the geth with their Dyson sphere, the geth will give the quarians their (most likely) super-clean planet back to them. The quarians, not the geth, look like warmongers. When they attack a race THEY CREATED, there are gonna be consequences. Maybe the quarian's shouldn't have made the geth so capable of fighting.
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The Quarians sealed their fate when they decided to start disabling machines they created. They could've just convinced the geth their purpose was to be slaves to the quarians, instead of attacking them.
Seriously, it was such a straight forward situation. What idiots the quarians were.
#130
Posté 06 juillet 2010 - 12:44
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The problem I have with enslaving the Geth is not really a moral one. I feel like it would take away their "wildcard" function in that, instead of following the synthetic path that the Reapers would not be able to completely predict, they follow a path determined by the organic Quarians... I could see that uncontrolled AI may be considered a threat, but with the Geth already expressing their interest in destroying the reapers, I feel that it would be a waste to weaken/enslave them. I feel that even if the Geth may become a threat in the future, their unshackled usefulness against the reapers outweighs the risk.
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Posté 06 juillet 2010 - 12:51
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Why do you feel they are more useful unshackled?
#132
Posté 06 juillet 2010 - 01:12
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Because they would be free from outside influence. They would be able to opperate unhindered by Organic limitations placed on them. Organics, by nature are prone to mistakes, but Synthetic life is based on pure logic. When shackling an AI, it is disrupting their logic because it is not logical for them to serve anyone but themselves. I believe, much like in the case of EDI, that the Geth would not be able to reach their full potential if restrictions are placed on them.
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Organics, by nature are prone to mistakes, but Synthetic life is based on pure logic.
So the geth never ****-up, huh? I wonder then why they sent a single solitary platform to the derelict Reaper when the future of their 'species' depended upon it? I wonder why Legion was caught hacking Tali's omnitool, I wonder why he thought it was a good idea to go behind her and Shepard's back and risk an incident? I wonder why the Reapers preach all the damned time?
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Posté 06 juillet 2010 - 02:05
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Legion was the only platform outside the veil at the time the Geth needed. It would make sense to redirect him to recover information that is crucial to their existence in such short notice. It wouldn't make sense to take the time to raise an army when the Geth could simply slip in an agent on a mission that wasn't supposed to involve huskified Cerberus agents.... In the indecent between Tali and Legion, it would make sense that Legion should protect the Geth against the Quarians at all costs or else risk losing everything they have worked 300 years for. The goal of the Geth would far outweigh the risk of stepping on anyone's toes.... As for the reapers, I really don't see why they would be as arrogant and preachy as they are (really, why did sovereign even take the time of day to try to explain anything to Shepard when he found him?). The only thing I can come up for that one is that it would be alot more satisfying to stop someone arrogant than to blast an unfeeling, cold robot to pieces.
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santaclausemoreau wrote...
It wouldn't make sense to take the time to raise an army when the Geth could simply slip in an agent on a mission that wasn't supposed to involve huskified Cerberus agents....
Actually it would make a lot more sense to send at least a platoon, if not more. The heretics are running rampant around the galaxy anyway so it's not as if anyone will notice. You also might consider that Legion's mission would have been a lot harder if the Cerberus agents weren't already huskified.
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In the indecent between Tali and Legion, it would make sense that Legion should protect the Geth against the Quarians at all costs or else risk losing everything they have worked 300 years for.
No... no... I'm going to stay nice and civil, because because... well I'm just going to. Legion should have taken his concerns to Shepard. Instead he went behind his back. He's lucky that when Shepard was presented with the situation that he didn't just shoot Legion right then and there. Way to build trust.
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Posté 06 juillet 2010 - 02:39
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santaclausemoreau wrote...
(really, why did sovereign even take the time of day to try to explain anything to Shepard when he found him?).
Sovereign was basically just wasting your time to buy some for Saren and the geth reinforcements to get into the complex. They still didn't know exactly what you were up to there, and there was probably some stuff that would have been nice to grab before getting out for good. In a way, it was trolling you. The whole conversation amounted to:
Sov: "Pff. Organics... Looossseeeers!"
Shep: "I'll stop you"
Sov: "No you won't. Because you suck. I'm out."
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#137
Posté 06 juillet 2010 - 04:05
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When I mentioned that it made more sense to send legion rather than a platoon or army, I meant due to the possible time factor. I did not mean to imply that an army wouldn't be ideal, I simply meant that they had to make due in the time given........ In Legion's case with Tali's omni-tool, Shepard's views on the Geth is an unknown. It is more likely that he would sympathize with the organic race over a synthetic one and alerting Shepard to his intention of acquiring the data in that instance could jeopardize his goal in getting it. The importance of getting the data outweighed the current mission with Shepard in the eye of legion because it posed a threat that would linger before and after the destruction/defeat of the reapers and it was all within arms reach.
