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[JowyXXV]

Are there any videos which show what happens (return to Alienage, meeting Vaughan again, seeing Shianna during the city attack, the feast at the end with your father) if you let Vaughan do his, er, thing?

I'm curious to see what happens but on the same hand I'm not a big fan of letting that rapist bastard live.

[Sarah1281]

I have the toolset dialogue. Will that do?

[Costin_Razvan]

Don't have any vids, But I can tell you what happens based on what I read in the toolset dialogues.



Vaughn will immediately offer you another bribe, and this leads to some rather amusing conversation if you have Morrigan with you. Sorris will end up in prison, and will be pissed at you. Shianni will be pissed, slightly less if you decided to rescue Sorris but even so she will be angry. Cyrion will not offer the dagger if you let Shianni get raped ( should you rescue him ).



That's about it.

[Sarah1281]

Sorris will end up in prison

Only if you don't take all the blame. If you do then he's ostracized by the community at large.

[Costin_Razvan]

Last I recall you could not stop Sorris from getting imprisoned if you did take the bribe.

[JowyXXV]

You only get the take all the blame option if you kill Vaughan. If not then he accurately describes you to the guards that come after you.



Yeah, if you could post all the dialogue that'd really be epic man.





This is some rare scenario to get, but, maybe if someone does an evil city elf walkthrough we might get some youtube vids.

[Costin_Razvan]

This is some rare scenario to get, but, maybe if someone does an evil city elf walkthrough we might get some youtube vids

Why is it evil to think that Vaughn is right when he states the Alienage will burn if you do kill him?

[Sarah1281]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

This is some rare scenario to get, but, maybe if someone does an evil city elf walkthrough we might get some youtube vids

Why is it evil to think that Vaughn is right when he states the Alienage will burn if you do kill him?

Because your cousin is lying bleeding on the floor in the process of being raped, he's clearly not done with her, and there are several other women who are next. Evil and pragmatic are not mutually exclusive, you know.

Now, I've never done this option but since Soris does have a lot of dialogue for if he wasn't imprisoned but you accepted the bribe it seems like there must be some way to do it.

Vaughan: Hmm, who's there? Stay away. (VO: Startled, he was asleep.) Huh! Howe is sending elves to torute me now? Is that his idea of a joke? Wait...I know you... (VO: Bitter, then realizing he knows the player) Listen, knife-ears, we can make another deal, can't we? Let me out of here and I can give you anything you want (if male: coin, women, just name it).

(PC: I should have killed you earlier. *attack*
Vaughan: *dies)

(PC: How did you end up in there?
Vaughan: Howe came with his men "to help quell the riots." They stuffed me down here. "One more victim of this senseless violence." (VO: Sour)
Vaughan: All elves want money, right? I can pay!)

(PC: Right. You kept the last deal so well.
Vaughan: I realize our last transacion went...poorly. But look at me! I'm desperate. Free me, and you'll have an Arl's gratitude!)

(PC: I can't tell you how funny it is to see you in that cage.
Vaughan: Of course you're enjoying this. The whole lot of you are spiteful, ungrateful worms. (VO: Disgusted)
Vaughan: All elves want money, right? I can pay!)

(PC: I'm listening. Offer me something.
Vaughan: All elves want money, right? I can pay! (VO: Desperate)
(PC: This sounds familiar...
Vaughan: I realize our last transacion went...poorly. But look at me! I'm desperate. Free me, and you'll have an Arl's gratitude! (VO: Trying to regain his dignity. He never actually had any dignity.)
(PC: I want my wedding day back and all this undone.
If Alistair romance: Wedding? You're married? (VO: Shock. He's dating the PC, and didn't know this.)
If Leliana romance: You're...married? You didn't mention that! (VO: Sort of horrified. She's involved with the PC and didn't know this.)
If Morrigan romance: Now this sounds like a curious tale.
If Zevran romance: A wedding? So there is a secretive side to you, after all. (VO: Trying to make light of this, when he's upset. He got involved with the player withour knowing this)
Vaughan: I can't change the past! Be reasonable!
(PC: Life's a ****, isn't it?
Vaughan: What do you want? Just tell me!
(PC: If I let you out, you'll abdicate and join the Chantry.
Vaughan: What? Are you mad? Why would I do that?
PC: You can spend the rest of your life atoning, or rot in here/Because I want you to suffer more/I could just kill you.
Vaughan: Very well, I'll...I'll do it. Now open the door! ))

(PC: A Landsmeet has been called. I need your voice.
Vaughan: Of course! Anything, just let me out!)

(PC: I want coin. Lot's of it. A hundred sovereigns.
Vaughan: I don't have that much! Howe squandered most of my fortune on mercenaries!/I don't have much more than that...Howe spent most of my fortune on mercenaries.
(PC: Sell off some of your estate then.
Vaughan: Sell it? There's hardly anything left that Howe hasn't looted. )
(PC: I'll settled for what you owe me then. Forty sovereigns.
Vaughan: In my room, there's a lockbox. The money is in there. Free me, and I'll give you the key.))

Also, if you let him out he has two different lines if you see him again.
If you just let him go he says "Just look at this...Howe was worse than the rioters."
If he joins the Chantry he says "We worship thee with Faith unbreaking, strive to learn each moment waking...Blast it! I never remember that line.
 
Here's some more miscellaneous 'You fail as a person' CE dialogue.

If Soris wasn't imprisoned:
Soris: I wasn't sure you'd show up here. I'm sure you've already had enough of the warm alienage welcome (VO: sour)
PC: What happened here? 
Soris: I'm not sure myself. Most people here won't really talk to me. The new arl led a purge...Revenge for Vaughan's death, they say.
(PC: But we didn't kill Vaughan!
Soris: You and I know that, but Arl Howe says "elven insurgents" killed Vaughan, and it's not like we can prove otherwise)
(PC: It's a lie. Howe put Vaughan in the dungeons.
Soris: Well, it doesn't matter now. The damage is done. (VO: Bitter))
PC: Where's my father? 
Soris: I don't know. I think...they took him to the quarantine, but I can't find out for sure.
PC: Where's Valora?
Soris: I...I think she had the plague. Elva said something about Valora being quarentined.
PC: You were speaking to Elva? Why?
Soris: Nobody else would talk to me. Anyway, she's gone, and it's ill luck to speak badly of the dead.
PC: She died? 
Soris: She had the plauge. You know how stubborn she was; she refused to go to the Tevinters for help. She was afraid of magic, afraid of being quarentined.
PC: Where's Nesiara?
Soris: Shianni said, the one and only time she'd speak to me, that Nesiara was dead. But...I don't know more than that. Shianni was raving.
PC: I have to go.
Soris: What a surprise. Can't get out of here fast enough, can you? (VO: Caustic)

So it looks like if you took the money then Nesiara was one of those girls Vaughan killed.

PC: Is Alarith still open?
Soris: Probably. He won't let me in the door, though. And I doubt he'll have any kind words for you, either. (VO: Dour)

Then if you sacrifice the elven slaves
Soris: So once again, you get what you want and leave the rest of us in the fire. Well done, Cousin. (VO: Bitter)

Alarith: Well, well, look who's here. I can't believe you'd show your face here again. Did you really think Shianni wouldn't tell us what you'd done? (VO: Angry) You sold her! Sold all the girls as if they were chattel! Get out of my shop. I don't want to look at you anymore.
Alarith: I told you to get out, and I meant it. Go before I call the guards. (VO: Angry)
Alarith: I have nothing to say to you.
Alarith: I just don't know what to make of you. What, did the Tevinters just not offer you enough money to sell us out this time? You should go. (VO: "You've got a lot of nerve coming back here.")

Shianni: I don't believe it. (VO: Incredulous -- "look what the cat dragged in") After what you did, you've got some nerve showing your face around here again! (VO: Incredulous, can't believe her cousin has returned and not happy to see him)
Zevran: You're awfully popular around here.
Alistair: WHat did you do, forget someone's naming day?
(Shianni: But...I suppose it's worth something that you found Soris and let him out. Ignoring that he was there because of you in the first place. (VO: Still furous at the player, but mollified because he recently rescued a friend -- she's grumbling the last line))
(Shianni: Don't you see we've got enough problems? We don't need you here just to stir up more of them! (VO: Angry, accusing)
(PC: Hey, slow down! I could use your help.
Shianni: Oh, that's rich. You could use my help? (VO: said with a snort, disbelieving that the player could ask after waht he did.))
(PC: What's going on? Some kind of plague?
Shianni: Hmph. Like you care. (VO: Derisive))
(PC: I have my own problems, actually.
Shianni: *Sigh* I suppose it could be worse. You could be working for the hospice. (VO: Grumbling to herself, rolling her eyes -- she has too much to worry about to spend time being angry at the Player)))
Shianni: What are you doing here? Do you even care that your father is missing? (VO: Resentful but no longer openly hostile, punch the "are" in the first line.)
(PC: I'm here on Grey Warden business. Battling the Blight.
Shianni: Then I guess this plauge should concern you plenty, shouldn't it? (VO: Stern -- "you'll listen to me now"))
(PC: Just tell me what's going on.
Shianni: Fine. I just hope you intend to help this time. (VO: Frowning, she's going to tell him despite the fact she thinks he'll just screw everything up))

Then when you agree to help:
Shianni: Just be careful. Believe it or not, I wouldn't be thrilled if you disappeared too. (VO: Dubious about the player helping, dislikes the fact that she has to revise her low opinion of him now.)/I don't know how far you'll get, but...thank you. (VO: Grudging thanks -- she's now forced to revise her opinion of the Player)

If slaves freed:
Shianni: So you helped after all. I should be surprised, but I suppose I am, a little. (VO: gruding, she thought he wouldn't help) Thank you. You did a good thing, here. I hope it helps you in return (VO: She and the player are friends again)

Cyrion: Son, is that really you?/My little girl...I didn't think I'd see you again. Why are you here?
(PC: I couldn't let them hurt my family.
Cyrion: Why not? Couldn't stand the competition? (VO: Just a little caustic)
(PC: That's not fair.
Cyrion: No, it's not. It certainly wasn't fair to Shianni. (VO: Cutting.))
(PC: You know, I did just save you from slavery.
Cyrion: Do you think that makes everything all right? (VO: Stern))

(PC: I'm trying to stop Loghain.
Cyrion: Of course. Why would you have anything to do with us?
PC: I made one mistake. I don't deserve all this.
Cyrion: Neither did Shianni. (VO: Flat))

(PC: It wasn't my idea.
Cyrion: No, it wouldn't be.)

(PC: Never mind. Just go home, father.
Cyrion: I will. (VO: Flat))

Cyrion: I think we're done here. (VO: Flat)

Cyrion: You're not welcome in my house.

[Costin_Razvan]

Evil and pragmatic are not mutually exclusive, you know.

Really? So it is evil to sacrifice a few women to not have the rest of the alienage slaughtered?

Admittedly it is a very hard choice for me personally to make, but I still would always choose to accept the bribe if I was not metagaming. I do agree it is an evil choice if you are doing it for the money, but not all would see it like that.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 29 juin 2010 - 04:25 .

[Sarah1281]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Evil and pragmatic are not mutually exclusive, you know.

Really? So it is evil to sacrifice a few women to not have the rest of the alienage slaughtered?

Admittedly it is a very hard choice for me personally to make, but I still would always choose to accept the bribe if I was not metagaming.

Yes. I didn't say that it couldn't be the more pragmatic thing to do.

[Costin_Razvan]

One thing I really hate about that choice is how it automatically assumes you accept Vaughn's offer for the money. It is my main qualm regarding Dragon Age, it is just assumed you will be selfish one way or another. ( why I like the witcher so much....if you are a selfish jerk there you get ****ed beyond measure )

[Sarah1281]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

One thing I really hate about that choice is how it automatically assumes you accept Vaughn's offer for the money. It is my main qualm regarding Dragon Age, it is just assumed you will be selfish one way or another. ( why I like the witcher so much....if you are a selfish jerk there you get ****ed beyond measure )

You mean if you don't play a CE or your dialogue choices once you accept the money indicate that you did it for the money? 

[Costin_Razvan]

Yes...all your dialogue choices indicate that you did it for the money.

[Sarah1281]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Yes...all your dialogue choices indicate that you did it for the money.

I suppose if you're going to do something like that you might as well get a great deal of money out of it, right? You could give it to the survivors as reparations. Of course, your bride dies if you do that.

[Costin_Razvan]

As I read through this dialogue if you do accept the choice, I get the urge to kill every Alienage elf but that's just me.

[Sarah1281]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

As I read through this dialogue if you do accept the choice, I get the urge to kill every Alienage elf but that's just me.

Well, it's all for nothing. You can't tell them that you abandoned Shianni and the others for the good of all, they just hear Shianni's version of events. You make it sound like you can't save them when you get back and, as you pointed out, all Shianni hears you say is that you want money. Besides, your gamble failed and the Alienage was purged anyway so of course they're bitter.

[JowyXXV]

Wow- what a bummer ending. Sucks that you can let Vaughan still live and go to the chantry. : (





But... what happens when you see Shianni at the Alienage during the battle and then have you father come to the end-game feast?

[Azazel005]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

One thing I really hate about that choice is how it automatically assumes you accept Vaughn's offer for the money. It is my main qualm regarding Dragon Age, it is just assumed you will be selfish one way or another. ( why I like the witcher so much....if you are a selfish jerk there you get ****ed beyond measure )

I can't see how, at that point, that any amount of pragmatism will delude you into the idea that sparing Vaughn and allowing him to have his way with his captors would spare the alienage more pain. You either a) as a CE Male cut your through into the arls palace killing a number of guards only to decide at reaching Vaughn that maybe letting him rape his victims might be better off for everyone else. You got played at that point, you had all the cards and he bluffed you. Why else would he try to sweeten the deal with cold hard cash? One could make an argument that there should be an option to decide that it's too risky for the Alienage to try and liberate the captors from Vaugn, but after you have broken into the palace? It's on for all money.

or As a CF Female you leave your siblings to be raped, but not you becuase you can kill your way out. The only truly non-selfish pragmatic result would mean you stayed and endured your rape.

Either way Vaughn has stormed into the Alienage taken what he wants and perhaps returns some of his captors only badly raped. There are always going to be people in the alienage un-willing to accept that for good reason. He's a villian despite his station even the lower classes can be pushed to far and if you stay on the "It's too risky for us to stand up to him" side, people are going to be pissed.

[Sarah1281]

JowyXXV wrote...

But... what happens when you see Shianni at the Alienage during the battle and then have you father come to the end-game feast?

There isn't any special bribe-related dialogue. If your father is dead/enslaved he won't be there obviously and if you're a hero now who saved them all then I guess Cyrion can find it in himself to congratulate you even if you will still have a broken or at least strained relationship. Shianni, of course, is thrilled to see you as it means that they might actually have a chance after all and once you do something (especially saving the elves) about the slavers then she pretty much forgives you anyway.

[Arttis]

x box version i was told nessiara was sent back to highever using the dowry even though i took the bride.Oh well one more problem for x box nothing new.

I also took the deal the blood mage gave and killed my father.SUcks to be that guy.

[Suron]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

This is some rare scenario to get, but, maybe if someone does an evil city elf walkthrough we might get some youtube vids

Why is it evil to think that Vaughn is right when he states the Alienage will burn if you do kill him?

that whole scenerio pissed me off.

When I did my female city elf playthrough...I took vaughns offer because of exactly this...not because I just wanted the money but I KNEW he WAS RIGHT..the alienage would BURN if I killed him....

however BioWare doesn't seem to follow their own dialogue.  So when she returned everyone was PISSED at her...Shianna was RIGHT ****ING THERE but told everyone that you just took the money and left them...even though the reason my FCE was because she KNEW what would happen and was trying to avoid everyone getting slaughtered or what have you.

and you're not even given the option to explain yourself.

THey should just remove that part of the dialogue vaughn states about the alienage getting burned.....because BioWare seems to think that it really doesn't matter in the decision...so just ****ing remove it...it screws over those of us who let vaughn live in order to SAVE EVERYONE ELSE WE CARE ABOUT in the alienage.

but I'm not bitter.  I was pretty pissed to learn that late into the game that everyone hated my cef because of bad writing.

[Elhanan]

If you took the bribe, and the Alienage burns anyway, it simply validates the thought that you cannot trust terrorists, kidnappers, and corrupt politicians.

This is one bribe I never considered, even at my Dwarven/Ferengi best....

[BellaStrega]

I can understand believing that killing Vaughn would bring payback down on the Alienage, but I do not understand believing Vaughn when he implies that accepting his bribe means there will be no payback. Never trust a shem.

[DWSmiley]

Azazel has it right. Vaughn is a proven racist, kidnapper and rapist and now you've killed several of his men. To think he will honor his deal, pay up and be nicey-nicey to the elves hereafter is, um, rather too trusting.

[Suron]

Elhanan wrote...

If you took the bribe, and the Alienage burns anyway, it simply validates the thought that you cannot trust terrorists, kidnappers, and corrupt politicians.
This is one bribe I never considered, even at my Dwarven/Ferengi best....

but you're using meta-game knowledge..of course it still burns...however the PC does NOT know that.

you're basing your decision off of what you know as the player, not the character.

my example was a choice my character made based off facts she knew...not facts I, the player, know.