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[TelexFerra]

Why not just have Saren walk onto the Citadel while still a trusted spectre and then activate the Citadel relay?

[Spornicus]

He couldn't just walk up to the Citadel tower and just activate the relay, he'd be shot dead in seconds. He had all that time in the endgame yet he STILL couldn't activate it in time before Shepard shows up.

[faction699]

Spornicus wrote...

He couldn't just walk up to the Citadel tower and just activate the relay, he'd be shot dead in seconds. He had all that time in the endgame yet he STILL couldn't activate it in time before Shepard shows up.

why not? the people on the citadel have no idea that theres even a relay on the citadel, i don't think they have men there just waiting to shoot people

my memory is hazy but wasn't saren after the beacons for knowledge on how to activate the relay, and by the time he got it he was known as a traitor?

[MiSsSmOkEy20]

He couldnt he didnt know how to work it or where it was. By the time he finds out your Sheperd already knows what hes after and hes been anounced as a traitor so it would be hard to get in there.

[Spornicus]

You know what would happen if he just walked into the Citadel? There wouldn't be a Mass Effect because Shepard would be dead before he even becomes a spectre. Do you want logic, or do you want a video game?

[Istvan Kovacs]

The controls for the Citadels relay functions were in the council chambers, there's no way Saren could have gotten in there and spent ten minutes fiddling with the computers in that room without being stopped, it only made sense for him to do it at the end of the game.

[StrawberryViking]

Spornicus wrote...

You know what would happen if he just walked into the Citadel? There wouldn't be a Mass Effect because Shepard would be dead before he even becomes a spectre. Do you want logic, or do you want a video game?

 

For some reason I can't stop laughing at that

The way I like to see it, he couldn't activate the relay because of the Protheans on Illos modified it to give the next people in the cycle a fighting chance, so he had to find the location of the conduit and the information on Illos to be able to activate the relay. My hypothesis is probably wrong though  

EDIT: Just did some reading, and I think the reason was because Saren needed to transfer control of the station over to Sovereign in order to activate the citadel relay. Sovereign can't do this in the beginning because the combined forces of the citadel fleet is just too much, even for a reaper. So Saren has to take his time to amass all these allies (geth, krogan, and although unsuccessful, the rachni) before they can invade the citadel.

Modifié par StrawberryViking, 30 juin 2010 - 01:14 .

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apparently its a process to activate the citadel as a relay.

[Forst1999]

As i see it, Sovereign was to eager to find out what foiled his plan to simply let the Keepers activate the relay. To learn that they had to attack Eden Prime, which made it impossible to just walk into the council chamber and activate the relay, because Saren was now suspected. But Sovereign had to know, maybe whatever the protheans did would have been able to hinder it's plan once again. It's ironic that after the attack the conduit was the only opportunity to let Saren activate the relay.

Modifié par Forst1999, 30 juin 2010 - 01:49 .

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Forst1999 wrote...

As i see it, Sovereign was to eager to find out what foiled his plan to simply let the Keepers activate the relay. To learn that they had to attack Eden Prime, which made it impossible to just walk into the council chamber and activate the relay, because Saren was now suspected. But Sovereign had to know, maybe whatever the protheans did would have been able to hinder it's plan once again. It's ironic that after the attack the conduit was the only opportunity to let Saren activate the relay.

this is the main reason why Shepard went traversing through the galaxy in ME1.  Maybe Sovereign wanted Saren to find out how the Protheans disabled the relay and that may help Saren in reactivating the relay for future uses besides a manual override at the end.  An all out attack in the beginning could make sense except for the fact that Saren would be by himself trying to activate the relay surrounded by C-Sec.  I think Ilos with the mini relay made it possible to bring in a small army to take the Council tower.

[TelexFerra]

MiSsSmOkEy20 wrote...

He couldnt he didnt know how to work it or where it was. By the time he finds out your Sheperd already knows what hes after and hes been anounced as a traitor so it would be hard to get in there.

Sure he did, he must have known what needed to be done when he started his hunt for the conduit. (which, btw, was before Shepard even got involved)

[Pacifien]

The only advantage I can see Saren having with using the Conduit is that he can bring his massive Geth army to the Citadel via the easier backdoor method. If Sovereign did a surprise attack, the Geth probably would have made quick work of the small fleet around the Citadel (as they seemed to do a fine job with the much larger fleet when it wasn't a surprise attack). Then they could have broken through into the Citadel so they could then help Saren maintain control of the station.

But Saren will be vulnerable that entire time until they can get to the Citadel. Saren might be good, but I'm not sure he could hold off all of C-Sec. If Saren lost control, then Sovereign and the Geth then have to lay siege to the Citadel and anything could have happened if reinforcements then arrived. Sovereign is not indestructible.

Sovereign, I guess, didn't feel like taking any chances. Only Eden Prime ruined everything.

Modifié par Pacifien, 30 juin 2010 - 06:59 .

[TelexFerra]

Saren could have taken Geth onto the citadel no problem. They certainly passed sensor scans on Noveria.

[Pacifien]

TelexFerra wrote...
Saren could have taken Geth onto the citadel no problem. They certainly passed sensor scans on Noveria.

Possibly. Noveria was known for its strict security but lax oversight for the various companies that worked there. No guarantees Saren would have gotten the same treatment while on the Council's turf. A Spectre bringing in large quantities of crates to the Citadel might get his employers' attention.

I've always wondered just how Saren or Sovereign knew about the Conduit's function. Nothing in the beacons told Shepard what the Conduit was, just that Shepard needed to go to Ilos to find it. Sovereign obviously knew it had something to do with why the Reaper couldn't gain control of the station, but did he think it was a technological device interfering with the Citadel, a transportation device to the Citadel, or a weapon to be used against the Citadel? Sovereign's attack is timed in such a way to indicate it knew that Saren was going to get to Citadel Control upon finding the Conduit, but how did they know? Vigil specifically states the Conduit project was done in secret and the sole purpose of the beacon message was to let Protheans simply know of Ilos's existence, not the project it was doing.

[MiSsSmOkEy20]

TelexFerra wrote...

MiSsSmOkEy20 wrote...

He couldnt he didnt know how to work it or where it was. By the time he finds out your Sheperd already knows what hes after and hes been anounced as a traitor so it would be hard to get in there.

Sure he did, he must have known what needed to be done when he started his hunt for the conduit. (which, btw, was before Shepard even got involved)

But he needed the beacon, and right after he hits the beacon Sheperd hits the beacon so your up his ass the whole time since you have the same information as he does.

[TelexFerra]

Needed the beacon for what? Why couldn't Sovereign just tell him how to activate the relay?

[Nikeh]

Is that whats bugs you the most about Sovereigns plan? I think there are many things that does less sense, but what i find most strange is why didnt Harbingers collectors assist Sovereign and co, I think they could been pretty usefull. But thats just me.

[biomag]

Nikeh wrote...

Is that whats bugs you the most about Sovereigns plan? I think there are many things that does less sense, but what i find most strange is why didnt Harbingers collectors assist Sovereign and co, I think they could been pretty usefull. But thats just me.

Right you are! Why isn't every single US soldier sitting in Iraq? They should all charge in from day one and sit there right now... sounds like a great plan to commit all forces at once... especially since the collectors seem to posses such a mighty fleet consisting of a whole ship! Yeah... screw the secret reserves for a back up plan, who needs them?!

[Siegdrifa]

TelexFerra wrote...

Why not just have Saren walk onto the Citadel while still a trusted spectre and then activate the Citadel relay?

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Because Sovereign don't controle Saren a lot at the beginning of the game and he can't control organic as good as synthetic (that's why he use the geth), and the more he control organic, the less they can do the job well.

Plus, we know later that Saren is actively working on a way to not be enslaved by Sovereign (Virmire).
And there is one thing that Sovereign and Saren don't know and need to find out, it's the conduit that helped the prothean to ruin the next cycle of the reapers, until they located it, there is a way to stop the cycle.

We also know that the reapers are patient and never rush into things (Ilos).
Sovereign try to "regain control" over the reapers plan since centuries, Saren is not the first to help him, just the most visible.

Modifié par Siegdrifa, 01 juillet 2010 - 11:04 .

[Nikeh]

biomag wrote...

Nikeh wrote...

Is that
whats bugs you the most about Sovereigns plan? I think there are many
things that does less sense, but what i find most strange is why didnt
Harbingers collectors assist Sovereign and co, I think they could been
pretty usefull. But thats just me.

Right you are! Why
isn't every single US soldier sitting in Iraq? They should all charge
in from day one and sit there right now... sounds like a great plan to
commit all forces at once... especially since the collectors seem to
posses such a mighty fleet consisting of a whole ship! Yeah... screw
the secret reserves for a back up plan, who needs them?!

Yeah
i said ALL collectors should just charge in whit their ship? no i didnt
if you actually took your time and read what i wrote and then thought
some yourself, you would see they dont have to serve as frontline
soilders, they could have been usefull in lets say eden prime whit
their swarms, would prob made eden prime a succes for saren, and
whitout mordins shield grades shep wouldnt had a chance. you know in
ME2 they lose like 0 collectors while they attack colonies  untill shep
comes.

I hope you dont fail to realise what i mean.

[TelexFerra]

NewMessageN00b wrote...

TelexFerra wrote...

Why not just have Saren walk onto the Citadel while still a trusted spectre and then activate the Citadel relay?

You did play the game, right? It is obvious Saren tried to prevent it from the start. Given his recklessness, he sacrificed ALL for this cause, but failed to find a cure against total indoctrination.

You did play the game, right? It is obvious that Saren tried to bring the Reapers back from the start. He makes a point of saying that if he helps them, that the Reapers may find a use for organics and not just kill them. He sacrificed ALL for this cause, but he failed to activate the citadel relay.

[Siegdrifa]

TelexFerra wrote...

NewMessageN00b wrote...

TelexFerra wrote...

Why not just have Saren walk onto the Citadel while still a trusted spectre and then activate the Citadel relay?

You did play the game, right? It is obvious Saren tried to prevent it from the start. Given his recklessness, he sacrificed ALL for this cause, but failed to find a cure against total indoctrination.

You did play the game, right? It is obvious that Saren tried to bring the Reapers back from the start. He makes a point of saying that if he helps them, that the Reapers may find a use for organics and not just kill them. He sacrificed ALL for this cause, but he failed to activate the citadel relay.

It seems that you didn't read what i wrote.

In addition to what i already wrote, i want to point that only Sovereign can open the citadel relay and his presence is required.
Saren can only give back the control to Sovereign and NOT open the citadel relay for him.

Sovereign is not invinsible, that's why he can't rush by himself on the citadel.

Saren use the conduit to infiltrate the citadel, then give back the control to Sovereign who close all mass relay and ce citadel to open the path to the reapers quietly, then shepard arrive from the conduit too just in time to kill Saren, regain the citadel control for a short time and open the mass relay to the alliance to destroy Sovereign.

Modifié par Siegdrifa, 02 juillet 2010 - 12:00 .

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the reapers didnt know where Ilos was, sovereign didnt know where it was. the conduits can possibly point Sovereign and Saren in the right direction



Maaan, if you tell someone its day time at noon they would find a plot hole saying your wrong on this forums. haha

[TelexFerra]

Why couldn't Sovereign then just mass a giant fleet and take them by surprise. Them traveling to Ilos wasn't necessary to activating the relay.