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[ADLegend21]

STG wrote...

^ This.

[Zack56]

I'm going to throw in another plot hole just because I can. Hope you don't mind and enjoy.
At the begining of ME1, everyone knows about Joker jumping through the relay before Eden Prime and him saying that he hit a target the size of a pinhead with the Normandy and then near the end of the game when you drive through the conduit with the mako and land right on the citidel. In these two instances, The relays sent you exactly where you wanted to go within feet of your intended target. Now, in ME2, EDI explanes that when using a mass relay, drift of several thousand kilometers is common and would prevent a ship going throught the omega 4 relay from reaching the collector base without hitting space trash or a black hole. If what EDI says is true, then how did Joker hit a target the size of a pinhead and how did the Mako land directly next to the mini relay on the presidium? For all we know, Joker would have landed 100 yards to the left and The Mako would have missed the mini relay and would have ricocheted off the closed armes of the citidel and drift off into space and drift into a star in 3 years. I'm suprized that this has not been braught up sooner to be honest.

Modifié par Zack56, 30 juin 2010 - 05:27 .

[Lemonwizard]

I think it's funny that Zulu_DFA is getting worked up over plot holes, yet his favorite character is Zaeed.

[ResidentNoob]

Personally, smudboy and Zulu seem like two completely different people to me.

Just sayin'.

[Lemonwizard]

Smudboy is hard to figure. I can't tell if he's one of the most dedicated trolls I've ever encountered (in which case I respect him immensely), or if he's actually that bitter over a video game.





Of course, being able to keep me confused about it for so long would be the mark of a truly fantastic troll indeed, so I continue to entertain the fantasy that he's my superior.

[ResidentNoob]

Agreed. At least Zulu actually tries to be funny during his complaining.

Anyway, want popcorn?

[Lemonwizard]

ResidentNoob wrote...

Agreed. At least Zulu actually tries to be funny during his complaining.

Anyway, want popcorn?

Any internet fight worth watching is worth miring yourself in to try and make it even worse.

[Zack56]

Lemonwizard wrote...

ResidentNoob wrote...

Agreed. At least Zulu actually tries to be funny during his complaining.

Anyway, want popcorn?

Any internet fight worth watching is worth miring yourself in to try and make it even worse.

I agree completely. I was part of this one pryamid hyjack a  few months ago and that pyramid was HUGE by the time it was stopped. I was banned for 3 days and it was worth it. I'll post what thread that was. I started on page 3.
http://social.biowar...index/1850771/1

P.S. If you type in "pyramid hyjack" in google, that thread will be on the vary first one.

Modifié par Zack56, 30 juin 2010 - 05:54 .

[ADLegend21]

Zack56 wrote...

I'm going to throw in another plot hole just because I can. Hope you don't mind and enjoy.
At the begining of ME1, everyone knows about Joker jumping through the relay before Eden Prime and him saying that he hit a target the size of a pinhead with the Normandy and then near the end of the game when you drive through the conduit with the mako and land right on the citidel. In these two instances, The relays sent you exactly where you wanted to go within feet of your intended target. Now, in ME2, EDI explanes that when using a mass relay, drift of several thousand kilometers is common and would prevent a ship going throught the omega 4 relay from reaching the collector base without hitting space trash or a black hole. If what EDI says is true, then how did Joker hit a target the size of a pinhead and how did the Mako land directly next to the mini relay on the presidium? For all we know, Joker would have landed 100 yards to the left and The Mako would have missed the mini relay and would have ricocheted off the closed armes of the citidel and drift off into space and drift into a star in 3 years. I'm suprized that this has not been braught up sooner to be honest.

The second normandy is twice the size of the first one, which is why there's a shuttle for most missions, because of the doubled Size of the Normandy. Also it was indirectly explained that the Relay puts ships that don't have a friendly IFF in a different place than ships that do have a freindly IFF. how would the collector ship survive in the Galactic core when it's about twice the size of the second Normandy if the Relay didn't put it in a big enough spot to survive? Also EDI Echo's Nihlus's compliment of Joker's "hitting a target the size of a pin head" because other ships do have some drift I guess. that's my Take at least.

[Zulu_DFA]

Zack56 wrote...

I'm going to throw in another plot hole just because I can. Hope you don't mind and enjoy.
At the begining of ME1, everyone knows about Joker jumping through the relay before Eden Prime and him saying that he hit a target the size of a pinhead with the Normandy and then near the end of the game when you drive through the conduit with the mako and land right on the citidel. In these two instances, The relays sent you exactly where you wanted to go within feet of your intended target. Now, in ME2, EDI explanes that when using a mass relay, drift of several thousand kilometers is common and would prevent a ship going throught the omega 4 relay from reaching the collector base without hitting space trash or a black hole. If what EDI says is true, then how did Joker hit a target the size of a pinhead and how did the Mako land directly next to the mini relay on the presidium? For all we know, Joker would have landed 100 yards to the left and The Mako would have missed the mini relay and would have ricocheted off the closed armes of the citidel and drift off into space and drift into a star in 3 years. I'm suprized that this has not been braught up sooner to be honest.

Joker reports drift: "Just under 15 hundred km"
Nihlus comments: "15 hundred is good"
Joker freaks out: "Remembering to zip up on the way out is good. 15 hundred is out-f***ing-standin'! Because it's like hitting a targer of size of a pin head"

So there was drift and EDI's rundown is consistent. It's also covered in the Codex somewhere (maybe under the "Space Combat: Trans-Relay Assaults" entry).

The Conduit is a special case. According to Vigil's story (that I came to doubt) it was a replication of the Reaper technology by the Protheans. Or (my wild theory) it was built also by the Reapers, but for the purpose unknown. Anyway, the size of it (much smaller than space relays) suggests that the technology is slightly different. And given it's apparent fuction of transporting things to the Presidium without drift, it was designed so that not to have any drift.
The downside of it is that the travel through the Counduit is not instantaneous. Although it seems like an eyeblink to the travellers, actually they re-emerge on the other side, say, one month after entering the Conduit. Sort of relativistic space-time paradox. This got to be so, to explain the fact that the Normandy was able to go from Ilos to the Arcturus Station and the 5th Fleet had time to mobilize (a known ME1 "plothole").

[Privateerkev]

Annie_Dear wrote...

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...

Look at this...

Writing that is a heavy risk, Phoenix...

but the priiize of watching people argue over plot in a video game...

Modifié par Privateerkev, 30 juin 2010 - 06:56 .

[Mister Mida]

ResidentNoob wrote...

Agreed. At least Zulu actually tries to be funny during his complaining.

Anyway, want popcorn?

*grabs some and tries to find a seat*

[Bryy_Miller]

ReconTeam wrote...

Real life is filled with plot-holes anyway.

.... not really.

[Privateerkev]

Bryy_Miller wrote...

ReconTeam wrote...

Real life is filled with plot-holes anyway.

.... not really.

roflmao...

QFFT...

Life is filled with things you do not know. That isn't the same as a plot-hole...

[Ecael]

Privateerkev wrote...

but the priiize of watching people argue over plot in a video game...

I don't think any of the previous flamewar was actually about the plot, but anyway...

I don't understand how some people manage to get so defensive about a single game rather than the series itself (like me!). It's like two Harry Potter fans arguing over whether one of the books in the series is terrible when they're written by the same person.

In that case, I'd be one defending the series a whole and saying "If you don't like Harry Potter after its most recent release, why don't you just stop talking about it?" Of course, the other person would then insist that the e-mails and letters of complaints that they send to J.K. Rowling will be listened to over the opinion of everyone else - who, you know, may have actually bothered to read the book more than once before complaining.

Neither authors nor game developers owe anything to their fans - they're not in charge of manufacturing some kind of basic necessity or maintaining some public utility.

As I've said before, if BioWare stops listening to their fans entirely and changes what they want to change, I have no problem with that. Many of their employees don't just make games, but play them too (Christina Norman, for example). That's enough for me to trust that they're taking the series in the right direction.

[Mister Mida]

Ecael wrote...

I don't understand how some people manage to get so defensive about a single game rather than the series itself (like me!). It's like two Harry Potter fans arguing over whether one of the books in the series is terrible when they're written by the same person.

So by your logic the Star Wars fans who keep ****ing about the last three films hate the entire hexalogy?

[Ecael]

Mister Mida wrote...

Ecael wrote...

I don't understand how some people manage to get so defensive about a single game rather than the series itself (like me!). It's like two Harry Potter fans arguing over whether one of the books in the series is terrible when they're written by the same person.

So by your logic the Star Wars fans who keep ****ing about the last three films hate the entire hexalogy?

If you want the analogy to carry over to Star Wars, then Mass Effect 1 would be The Phantom Menace, and Mass Effect 2 would be Attack of the Clones...

[Throw_this_away]

all stories (think hollywood movies for example) have HUGE plot holes. If I think about them too much I decide that every story is crap. The stories that I enjoy the most are the ones that I just sit back and enjoy it for what it is.  

If you over-analyze anything to death than you will find things that make you shake your head.  This is fact. 

Modifié par Throw_this_away, 30 juin 2010 - 08:19 .

[Mister Mida]

Ecael wrote...

Mister Mida wrote...

Ecael wrote...

I don't understand how some people manage to get so defensive about a single game rather than the series itself (like me!). It's like two Harry Potter fans arguing over whether one of the books in the series is terrible when they're written by the same person.

So by your logic the Star Wars fans who keep ****ing about the last three films hate the entire hexalogy?

If you want the analogy to carry over to Star Wars, then Mass Effect 1 would be The Phantom Menace, and Mass Effect 2 would be Attack of the Clones...

Uhm... not really. A New Hope got released first and after that  The Empire Striks Back. So to follow your analogy carrying over thing Mass Effect (1) is A New Hope and Mass Effect 2 is The Empire Striks Back.

[Ecael]

Mister Mida wrote...

Ecael wrote...

Mister Mida wrote...

Ecael wrote...

I don't understand how some people manage to get so defensive about a single game rather than the series itself (like me!). It's like two Harry Potter fans arguing over whether one of the books in the series is terrible when they're written by the same person.

So by your logic the Star Wars fans who keep ****ing about the last three films hate the entire hexalogy?

If you want the analogy to carry over to Star Wars, then Mass Effect 1 would be The Phantom Menace, and Mass Effect 2 would be Attack of the Clones...

Uhm... not really. A New Hope got released first and after that  The Empire Striks Back. So to follow your analogy carrying over thing Mass Effect (1) is A New Hope and Mass Effect 2 is The Empire Striks Back.

Well, I don't have any qualms about that.

The Mass Effect prequel trilogy is going to disappoint many fans, then.

Modifié par Ecael, 30 juin 2010 - 08:27 .

[Mister Mida]

Ecael wrote...

Mister Mida wrote...

Ecael wrote...

Mister Mida wrote...

Ecael wrote...

I don't understand how some people manage to get so defensive about a single game rather than the series itself (like me!). It's like two Harry Potter fans arguing over whether one of the books in the series is terrible when they're written by the same person.

So by your logic the Star Wars fans who keep ****ing about the last three films hate the entire hexalogy?

If you want the analogy to carry over to Star Wars, then Mass Effect 1 would be The Phantom Menace, and Mass Effect 2 would be Attack of the Clones...

Uhm... not really. A New Hope got released first and after that  The Empire Striks Back. So to follow your analogy carrying over thing Mass Effect (1) is A New Hope and Mass Effect 2 is The Empire Striks Back.

Well, I don't have any qualms about that.

The Mass Effect prequel trilogy is going to disappoint many fans, then.

Only if there's gonna be an 'original' trilogy.

[Ecael]

Mister Mida wrote...

Ecael wrote...

Mister Mida wrote...

Ecael wrote...

Mister Mida wrote...

Ecael wrote...

I don't understand how some people manage to get so defensive about a single game rather than the series itself (like me!). It's like two Harry Potter fans arguing over whether one of the books in the series is terrible when they're written by the same person.

So by your logic the Star Wars fans who keep ****ing about the last three films hate the entire hexalogy?

If you want the analogy to carry over to Star Wars, then Mass Effect 1 would be The Phantom Menace, and Mass Effect 2 would be Attack of the Clones...

Uhm... not really. A New Hope got released first and after that  The Empire Striks Back. So to follow your analogy carrying over thing Mass Effect (1) is A New Hope and Mass Effect 2 is The Empire Striks Back.

Well, I don't have any qualms about that.

The Mass Effect prequel trilogy is going to disappoint many fans, then.

Only if there's gonna be an 'original' trilogy.

Maybe the Mass Effect movie will cover the First Contact War?

[Fiery Phoenix]

Ecael wrote...
Maybe the Mass Effect movie will cover the First Contact War?

I wish.

Modifié par FieryPhoenix7, 30 juin 2010 - 08:37 .

[Mister Mida]

Ecael wrote...

Mister Mida wrote...

Ecael wrote...

Mister Mida wrote...

Ecael wrote...

Mister Mida wrote...

Ecael wrote...

I don't understand how some people manage to get so defensive about a single game rather than the series itself (like me!). It's like two Harry Potter fans arguing over whether one of the books in the series is terrible when they're written by the same person.

So by your logic the Star Wars fans who keep ****ing about the last three films hate the entire hexalogy?

If you want the analogy to carry over to Star Wars, then Mass Effect 1 would be The Phantom Menace, and Mass Effect 2 would be Attack of the Clones...

Uhm... not really. A New Hope got released first and after that  The Empire Striks Back. So to follow your analogy carrying over thing Mass Effect (1) is A New Hope and Mass Effect 2 is The Empire Striks Back.

Well, I don't have any qualms about that.

The Mass Effect prequel trilogy is going to disappoint many fans, then.

Only if there's gonna be an 'original' trilogy.

Maybe the Mass Effect movie will cover the First Contact War?

And that would be according to you the 'original trilogy'?