Vicious wrote...
LOL at those with no life, spending their time railing against plotholes in a completely fictional game that's ALREADY BEEN RELEASED so it's too late to do anything anyway.
Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 01 juillet 2010 - 12:35 .
It is sad to think of those who are alive that have no life. Or don't use their brains or see clearly with their eyes.Vicious wrote...
LOL at those with no life, spending their time railing against plotholes in a completely fictional game that's ALREADY BEEN RELEASED so it's too late to do anything anyway.
Why? Are they involved in the game development process?Zulu_DFA wrote...
Try telling this to Liara fans.
What about the Thanemance? Where did they get that idea from?Yeah? What about the talimance?
Not a slip of the tongue.Normally, I despise old Freud, but his theory about slips of tongue is interesting...
Wow! So it turns out the only reason I enjoyed my ME1 experience so much is that Christina Norman wasn't given enough time then to screw up Drew Karpyshyn's ideas?
No offence to Christina Norman, but I feel like mentioning yet again that for the shooter experience, ME2 is by a long shot worse than so many games, dating back as far as 2002.
Nope.Talimance... Plothole... hint-hint.
And as I mentioned before, they were rushed into finishing Mass Effect 1, but not Mass Effect 2. They have a larger team for Mass Effect 2 (and 3) as well.There is a word for it: negligence.
Modifié par Ecael, 01 juillet 2010 - 12:41 .
Conspiracy theories abound!Zulu_DFA wrote...
ADLegend21 wrote...
Actually ME2's plot wasn't as bad as you're making it out to be. from what I've seen you haven't mentioned a single plot hole for Me1 just mentioned that there were. Also I like how you talk about yourself in the third person. I playeed ME2 first then played ME1 to get a game where Wrex and the council were alive and where Kaiden died in a nuke explosion and for all your ****ing, never once did I go "OMG big as gaping plot hole" sure some things were iffy, but seeing as MAss effect 2 got some pretty good ratings it's not the Swiss cheese you claim it to be SMud- I mean Zulu.
Dude! The "Ratings" are all made up. Which means they can be sold or bought. Just like, you know, Martin Sheen's voice acting services. Remember that next time you bring up the "ratings" in the discussion of quality of something. Also don't bring up the "sales" argument. Narcotics and cigarettes sale better than video games.
And, I were in your situation, that is played ME2 without playing ME1, you'd most probably never heard from me because I'd never have finished ME2.
Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 01 juillet 2010 - 01:56 .
BellatrixLugosi wrote...
Zulu. Just stop your not helping your case your making a hole for yourself bigger then the ME1 saren plothole........
Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 01 juillet 2010 - 02:05 .
Zulu_DFA wrote...
I never called for "returning to the RPG canons". You seem to be mixing me with somebody else again. I wouldn't even call Mass Effect so much an RPG as an adventure game. All I want back is a coherent plot. Which I am sure would improve the mood of many RPG purists calling them long-time BioWare customers or whatever.
What you're suggesting is that the gameplay somehow had an effect on the plot.The reason is: primary target audience. And for ME2 it's different, than for ME1.
Wow.It's not a conspiracy theory. It's the theory of marketing. EVERY "rating" (be it based on experts' or customers' or fans' or mixed feedback) is a result of a complex commercial equation, where the quality of the product is not the only variable.
So, yes ME1's score was also made up and bought. Just BioWare had smaller funds to invest into it at that time.
Yes. If the dev team weren't so fixed on the "fluent shooter gameplay", many recruitment, "loyalty" and main plot missions could have played out differently, leaving much less plotholes.Ecael wrote...
What you're suggesting is that the gameplay somehow had an effect on the plot.
Well, the plot, as I understand it, is a chain of events. Events must, you know, take place. Somewhere. If the universe, the background is not there, the events seem to have no ground to take place at all. Thus, eliminate the universe, and the plot goes down the sewers right behind it.Not only that, but you're saying "they spent less time and effort on making complex gameplay, thus they spent less time and effort on the story!"
Yeah. Who could have thought...Wow.It's not a conspiracy theory. It's the theory of marketing. EVERY "rating" (be it based on experts' or customers' or fans' or mixed feedback) is a result of a complex commercial equation, where the quality of the product is not the only variable.
So, yes ME1's score was also made up and bought. Just BioWare had smaller funds to invest into it at that time.
Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 01 juillet 2010 - 02:27 .
Did you just accuse BioWare of rigging reviews and then quote a review on a BioWare game?Zulu_DFA wrote...
Yes. If the dev team weren't so fixed on the "fluent shooter gameplay", many recruitment, "loyalty" and main plot missions could have played out differently, leaving much less plotholes.
This is an excerpt from some Steven Carter's review of Mass Effect 2, which Smudboy linked up on the previous page:
"The missions in the game are almost exclusively combat-oriented. While in Mass Effect you had to talk to people and solve puzzles and make weighty decisions, in Mass Effect 2 you mostly just kill stuff, and sometimes the missions don’t feel like anything more than extended shooting galleries. In most cases, you enter a large room with lots of objects to take cover behind, you kill about ten guys, you scrounge around for bullets and resources, and then you move on to the next big room and repeat the process. There are some role-playing elements here and there, but BioWare abandoned puzzles completely, and I’m guessing that Mass Effect 2 only has about half the dialogue as Mass Effect. The emphasis is clearly on combat."
The universe is decided by the writers. It is not the other way around.Well, the plot, as I understand it, is a chain of events. Events must, you know, take place. Somewhere. If the universe, the background is not there, the events seem to have no ground to take place at all. Thus, eliminate the universe, and the plot goes down the sewers right behind it.
MTN Dew Fanatic wrote...
I'm surprised people don't argue about sound in space.
Modifié par BellatrixLugosi, 01 juillet 2010 - 02:44 .
Zulu_DFA wrote...
This is an excerpt from some Steven Carter's review of Mass Effect 2, which Smudboy linked up on the previous page:
"The missions in the game are almost exclusively combat-oriented. While in Mass Effect you had to talk to people and solve puzzles and make weighty decisions, in Mass Effect 2 you mostly just kill stuff, and sometimes the missions don’t feel like anything more than extended shooting galleries. In most cases, you enter a large room with lots of objects to take cover behind, you kill about ten guys, you scrounge around for bullets and resources, and then you move on to the next big room and repeat the process. There are some role-playing elements here and there, but BioWare abandoned puzzles completely, and I’m guessing that Mass Effect 2 only has about half the dialogue as Mass Effect. The emphasis is clearly on combat."
Modifié par didymos1120, 01 juillet 2010 - 03:01 .
Zulu is like the Gatatog Uvenk of the forum.MarchWaltz wrote...
Why does it seem like if Ecael and Zulu were to fight, the former is the paragon and the latter the renegade?
Ecael wrote...
Zulu is like the Gatatog Uvenk of the forum.MarchWaltz wrote...
Why does it seem like if Ecael and Zulu were to fight, the former is the paragon and the latter the renegade?
(YEAH!)....bad CSI pun is bad.
didymos1120 wrote...
Zulu_DFA wrote...
This is an excerpt from some Steven Carter's review of Mass Effect 2, which Smudboy linked up on the previous page:
"The missions in the game are almost exclusively combat-oriented. While in Mass Effect you had to talk to people and solve puzzles and make weighty decisions, in Mass Effect 2 you mostly just kill stuff, and sometimes the missions don’t feel like anything more than extended shooting galleries. In most cases, you enter a large room with lots of objects to take cover behind, you kill about ten guys, you scrounge around for bullets and resources, and then you move on to the next big room and repeat the process. There are some role-playing elements here and there, but BioWare abandoned puzzles completely, and I’m guessing that Mass Effect 2 only has about half the dialogue as Mass Effect. The emphasis is clearly on combat."
Where were all these alleged ME1 puzzles? The Towers of Hanoi thingie on Noveria? Ok, that's one.
I guess the hacking/decrypting/mineral surveying stuff counts. Sort of. Let's just say it does. That's still only two, though, because it's always the same thing no matter how many times they repeated it.
Um......hmmm.
Oh: the mining laser on Therum. I guess. That's three...barely.
I seriously cannot think of anything else that really qualifies as a puzzle. The rest was shooting dudes/drones and pressing a button when you encountered something interactive, or having conversations with NPCs. Occasionally, you might get lost looking for dudes to shoot/interactive objects/NPCs to talk to, but that doesn't qualify as a bona fide puzzle, just mildly puzzling.
Oh, oh, I know: figuring out how to leave Port Hanshan. That's kind of a puzzle. 'Course it's practically impossible to not stumble into one of the many solutions, but still, we'll count it. So, four then. And now I'm genuinely tapped out. Anybody else?
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Are we witnessing some sort of deposition?BellatrixLugosi wrote...
Zulu reply to ecael dont evade, posting a picture of a mouse with cheese isnt helping your "case"
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Modifié par didymos1120, 01 juillet 2010 - 03:03 .
More like a completely uninformed review.didymos1120 wrote...
Oh, and I just noticed what the last bit of that complaint about the lack of puzzles said: "..and I’m guessing that Mass Effect 2 only has about half the dialogue as Mass Effect."
Jesus Christ.
This is supposed to an example of a "good" review.
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Ecael wrote...
Zulu is like the Gatatog Uvenk of the forum.MarchWaltz wrote...
Why does it seem like if Ecael and Zulu were to fight, the former is the paragon and the latter the renegade?
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