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[Cypher0020]

After much debate when back to my DW DC.... going through Ishal Tower.... now that's fun.....that Orge....not so much

[SusanStoHelit]

MKDAWUSS wrote...

I enjoy it for some of the reasons listed above along with the fact that I feel a sense of connection when dealing with the Ferelden nobility, like the Landsmeet (or the entire Fereldan Civil War for that matter).

Indeed, Wynne isn't the only one who recognises you as a Cousland. Various other nobles and knights and so on do so - they're small touches mostly, not significant, but they do let the HN 'fit' into Ferelden better than any of the other origins. And, of course, there's every reason why Alistair should follow and obey orders from a HN who's been trained both to fight and to lead - after all, daddy was going to leave you in charge of the castle and it's defence while he was away.

Edit: Oh, and as to the Fade, if you really hate it and need help getting throught, this guide might help: The Fade

Modifié par SusanStoHelit, 30 juin 2010 - 04:37 .

[TotoroTori]

Because you get Dog first hand? I mean you get to stout into Ostagar with Dog...

[Fault Girl]

Cypher0020 I am exactly like you, I start a new character get so far and then dislike it and delete!! I get annoyed at myself for doing it but....My next PC i am going to take to the end!!! I'm sure of it...haha

[Suron]

Sarah1281 wrote...

If you hurry you can get it done in less than an hour.

this..I've barreled through both the entire tower and the entire deep roads in ~30-45 mins each...it's not that bad

[Arrtis]

fastest ive done human noble origin would be 10 min.

[BeautyoftheBeast]

Aurelet wrote...

Well, I don't recommend it for your first time through but there is always the "skip the fade" mod

I really wish there was something like this on the console version. I don't particularly like the Deep Roads, but I always rush through the Fade because I absolutely loathe and despise it.

But anyways- I love the HN origin. I've played an Elf Mage and a City Elf, but I still always return to my Autumn. She's just so kick ass (and she's basically the most awesome DW Warrior ever) that it's hard to enjoy a playthrough that isn't with her. I am enjoying my CE and her archery build, though.

[Suron]

Cypher0020 wrote...

Well.... is this the 'right' order

1. Tower
2. Redcliffe
3. Scared Ashes/Haven
4. Dalish Forest
5. Orzzamar

I'm not sure... but isn't that the right way via wiki?

actually the "logical" progression story-wise or how things are presented to you would be

Lothering->Redcliffe (because of needed Eamon and hearing he's sick)->mage tower (if you want to save the child or Isolde) otherwise Denerim (to track down Genetivi)->Haven (ashes)->finish redcliffe->from there it's more open via map layout it makes more sense to head over lake to Mage Tower (if you haven't done it already) OR if you have up to Orzammar->Dalish->back to redcliffe to go to landsmeat->denerim to finish up there->redcliffe->final battle

now dalish/dwarves can be interchanged really..I'm judging more by map layout....but really instead of heading to Orzammar before Dalish you could easily just swing down to the forest.

[Aurelet]

My Dwarves do Orzzamar first. Elves do Dalish, Mages to tower, Nobles do Redcliffe.

[Melca36]

Killing Rendon Howe felt so sodding good!



The second time I played the Human Noble class, I felt kind of bad for the family.

Its obvious the Couslands were a loving family and a I roleplayed it as being another aspect that Howe hated about them.

[Dean_the_Young]

Why human noble?



-It turns the whole game into a revenge story. Not only is Howe at the back of my mind until I catch him towards the end, but Loghaine is virtually complicit in the crime by association.



-The Noblise Oblige factor: the romantic view that the nobility have to give back to the lower classes in exchange for their station and social dues. My Human Nobles are often the most moral and generous of the potential Wardens: the lower classes have been too poor to be generous, the mages don't care, the Dalish don't care about humans, and the Dwarves have their own issues as well.



-It has the most 'tie ins' with the rest of the cast: more people will recognize you as a noble across the game than any other origin. While every origin has their particular area where they are most often recognized, and the Noble technically has the Landsmeet, knights and nobles and more will remark about your origin elsewhere as well.



-The political intrigue factor. Seconded only by the Dwarf Noble, who's sights are limited inside Ozamar, the Human Noble has the most grounds for playing the machivilian political party with an eye for the larger (Ferilden) picture. Do I wed Anora/Alistair myself, or make Alistair my puppet while holding secret and open power? With the Dalish, do I see the wild elves as a people to reconcile with (side with elves), or do I take the opportunity to wipe a clan out in favor of the werewolves? Do I judge the dwarves responsible enough for the golems, do I fear that they will turn against the surface? Is the Chantry a religion I sincerely believe in, an institution I must ally myself with for the greater gain, or a foreign power I should subvert at every opportunity?



All these could be considered by another origin, but the Human Noble is the most relevant.



-The Alistair factor. As a human noble, Alistair can be many things: a fool who gets in the way, a puppet to put on the thrown, a potential political ally, or even a foe depending on how you approach it. Much fun.

[Cypher0020]

Hmmm... I do like Dean's reasoning plus I had hoped to become queen and rule alongside Alistair... if I'm gonna play noble, get and guy AND take the throne...



What happens to Anora though?

[Sarah1281]

Cypher0020 wrote...

Hmmm... I do like Dean's reasoning plus I had hoped to become queen and rule alongside Alistair... if I'm gonna play noble, get and guy AND take the throne...

What happens to Anora though?

She gets locked in a tower for refusing to swear fealty and hardened Alistair implies he'll have her killed after the Blight.

[Cypher0020]

Oh another awesome avive Sarah! I still ca't even make one even with all the help I've gotten



Ooooh...is hardening critical? I'm know you need to max out persuade skill...get Al in the love dept.....to marry him...but don't have to harden him?

[Sarah1281]

Cypher0020 wrote...

Oh another awesome avive Sarah! I still ca't even make one even with all the help I've gotten

Ooooh...is hardening critical? I'm know you need to max out persuade skill...get Al in the love dept.....to marry him...but don't have to harden him?

Thanks.  What's the problem? It just won't upload? 

Hardening is pretty critical for him to be a dedicated and confident King instead of chronically running away from court but for you to be Queen it is not critical. Instead, make sure you announce at the Landsmeet that you'll rule beside him or else he's dumping you post-Landsmeet. You don't need to have Alistair in love to marry him but he can't be -25 hostile or below or he won't agree and I believe that if he's in love you don't need to have persuasion although a maxed-out persude is always useful.

[Aurelet]

You just need persuade and Alistair can't actually hate you I think. Hardening makes him a much better King.

[Cypher0020]

Oh I'm so going for the royal ending....



So what becomes of Highever and Fergus?? He's alive... but what does that make him?

[Sarah1281]

Cypher0020 wrote...

Oh I'm so going for the royal ending....

So what becomes of Highever and Fergus?? He's alive... but what does that make him?

Highever is restored to the Couslands and he becomes Teyrn. If you ask for the title and riches boon then you get to be the Teyrn of Gwaren and then your family basically owns all of Ferelden.

[Cypher0020]

o.o wow..... a boon is almost worthless if you're noble eh? You get your land/titles back... Fergus can reclaim then... you're future king/queen.... what more is there??



Now since the PC/Alstair can probably never have an heir... and within 30 yrs go crazy from the taint.... who's next in line?



Wouldn't it be Fergus? Or Teagan? Eamon?

[SOLID_EVEREST]

I've played all the Origins (didn't finish the game with all of them, though), and Dwarf Noble has to be the best one. I felt the Human Noble was way too boring (I didn't find any interest in the family either). I would say Dwarf Noble and Circle are my favorite origins.

[Giggles_Manically]

Best origin is city elf to me. Although I cant get back into DA since I got ME2 and have been having a field day. Sentinel FTW!

[Mycrus Ironfist]

Cypher0020 wrote...

Yeah. Its borning. Plus there's always a group that blasts me and I die..... how can a warrior fight against magic?

Hence why I hate doing the tower.... the shapeshifting part sucks

with a templar it's easy...

[Mycrus Ironfist]

TotoroTori wrote...

Because you get Dog first hand? I mean you get to stout into Ostagar with Dog...

no duncan keeps your dog... you still go with allistair and the recruits

[Chuvvy]

Cypher0020 wrote...
Is the family shield/sword good? I got a noble as far as Ostagar and quit....

It's meh. I still use it for the entire game though.

[Mr. Sprinkles101]

Playing as a Human Noble made the fight against Loghain more personal. The other origins never made me feel that way