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[Bahlgan]

Mr. Sprinkles101 wrote...

Playing as a Human Noble made the fight against Loghain more personal. The other origins never made me feel that way

I agree, but to a marginal extent. I can understand why you say this though. I don't believe Loghain purposefully influenced himself with Howe (who is the HN's REAL enemy) in order to achieve his so called goals. I forgot the thread name, but many were talking about the pull that Howe had and how bad an enemy Loghain would have had if he didn't side with Howe. 

I would have to agree with you though because as a human noble you have more connection with the nobility and royalty, being in the family of one of the two last Terynirs, and thus having met Loghain possibly once before. Hell, to some who played the noble, Loghain might have been considered their hero or idol in their storylines.

[Mr. Sprinkles101]

Bahlgan wrote...

Mr. Sprinkles101 wrote...

Playing as a Human Noble made the fight against Loghain more personal. The other origins never made me feel that way

I agree, but to a marginal extent. I can understand why you say this though. I don't believe Loghain purposefully influenced himself with Howe (who is the HN's REAL enemy) in order to achieve his so called goals. I forgot the thread name, but many were talking about the pull that Howe had and how bad an enemy Loghain would have had if he didn't side with Howe. 

I would have to agree with you though because as a human noble you have more connection with the nobility and royalty, being in the family of one of the two last Terynirs, and thus having met Loghain possibly once before. Hell, to some who played the noble, Loghain might have been considered their hero or idol in their storylines.

Throughout the game I thought my brother had died at Ostagar, only to realize at the end after I sacrificed myself that my brother had lived.  He carried on the bloodline.

Anyways Loghain took a part on the HN's family's death. Even though he wasn't the direct cause of it he was still a role in it.  Its like two bullies picking on a kid, one bully holds on to the kid by the arms (Loghain) and the other bully throws all his blows at the kid (Howe).  While the other bully didn't exactly beat you up you would still want to kick his ass along with the one who actually kick the sh*t out of you.

Lol awkward metaphor but thats the best way I can explain it.

[Cypher0020]

Well that does make sense



So understandably... to me it seems logical that only the PC and Alistair have the right to duel Loghain....



Haven't done a HN run yet...but thrashing Howe looks both fun and insanely hard....





What does Howe say to a NON- Noble? Like.... hi?

[MKDAWUSS]

Mr. Sprinkles101 wrote...

Bahlgan wrote...

Mr. Sprinkles101 wrote...

Playing as a Human Noble made the fight against Loghain more personal. The other origins never made me feel that way

I agree, but to a marginal extent. I can understand why you say this though. I don't believe Loghain purposefully influenced himself with Howe (who is the HN's REAL enemy) in order to achieve his so called goals. I forgot the thread name, but many were talking about the pull that Howe had and how bad an enemy Loghain would have had if he didn't side with Howe. 

I would have to agree with you though because as a human noble you have more connection with the nobility and royalty, being in the family of one of the two last Terynirs, and thus having met Loghain possibly once before. Hell, to some who played the noble, Loghain might have been considered their hero or idol in their storylines.

Throughout the game I thought my brother had died at Ostagar, only to realize at the end after I sacrificed myself that my brother had lived.  He carried on the bloodline.

Anyways Loghain took a part on the HN's family's death. Even though he wasn't the direct cause of it he was still a role in it.  Its like two bullies picking on a kid, one bully holds on to the kid by the arms (Loghain) and the other bully throws all his blows at the kid (Howe).  While the other bully didn't exactly beat you up you would still want to kick his ass along with the one who actually kick the sh*t out of you.

Lol awkward metaphor but thats the best way I can explain it.

Yeah, I think Loghain definitely had a strong say-so in Teyrn Cousland's death. If you notice, whenever Howe comments about Cailan, Bryce verbally slaps him on the wrist for it. Also, you can add in the fact that the Couslands are ardent royalists (Aldous) and Cailan's reaction to Howe's attack, and there's more than enough to suggest that they would have sided against Loghain and Howe in the Landsmeet. I'm guessing Arl Eamon was right below the two Teyrns (Loghain and Cousland) in terms of importance, since if he was a minor figure, he'd've avoided being poisoned and wouldn't have received much backing from other nobles.

[Mr. Sprinkles101]

MKDAWUSS wrote...

Mr. Sprinkles101 wrote...

Bahlgan wrote...

Mr. Sprinkles101 wrote...

Playing as a Human Noble made the fight against Loghain more personal. The other origins never made me feel that way

I agree, but to a marginal extent. I can understand why you say this though. I don't believe Loghain purposefully influenced himself with Howe (who is the HN's REAL enemy) in order to achieve his so called goals. I forgot the thread name, but many were talking about the pull that Howe had and how bad an enemy Loghain would have had if he didn't side with Howe. 

I would have to agree with you though because as a human noble you have more connection with the nobility and royalty, being in the family of one of the two last Terynirs, and thus having met Loghain possibly once before. Hell, to some who played the noble, Loghain might have been considered their hero or idol in their storylines.

Throughout the game I thought my brother had died at Ostagar, only to realize at the end after I sacrificed myself that my brother had lived.  He carried on the bloodline.

Anyways Loghain took a part on the HN's family's death. Even though he wasn't the direct cause of it he was still a role in it.  Its like two bullies picking on a kid, one bully holds on to the kid by the arms (Loghain) and the other bully throws all his blows at the kid (Howe).  While the other bully didn't exactly beat you up you would still want to kick his ass along with the one who actually kick the sh*t out of you.

Lol awkward metaphor but thats the best way I can explain it.

Yeah, I think Loghain definitely had a strong say-so in Teyrn Cousland's death. If you notice, whenever Howe comments about Cailan, Bryce verbally slaps him on the wrist for it. Also, you can add in the fact that the Couslands are ardent royalists (Aldous) and Cailan's reaction to Howe's attack, and there's more than enough to suggest that they would have sided against Loghain and Howe in the Landsmeet. I'm guessing Arl Eamon was right below the two Teyrns (Loghain and Cousland) in terms of importance, since if he was a minor figure, he'd've avoided being poisoned and wouldn't have received much backing from other nobles.

I thought importance was Teryn Loghain, the Arl Eamon, then the Couslands.  Or that the Couslands and Arl Eamon were equal importance.

[Sarah1281]

So understandably... to me it seems logical that only the PC and Alistair have the right to duel Loghain....

The non-HN Wardens may not have a 'right' to duel Loghain but if you want to recruit him or you want Alistair to marry Anora then you're going to have to.

[MKDAWUSS]

Mr. Sprinkles101 wrote...

MKDAWUSS wrote...

Mr. Sprinkles101 wrote...

Bahlgan wrote...

Mr. Sprinkles101 wrote...

Playing as a Human Noble made the fight against Loghain more personal. The other origins never made me feel that way

I agree, but to a marginal extent. I can understand why you say this though. I don't believe Loghain purposefully influenced himself with Howe (who is the HN's REAL enemy) in order to achieve his so called goals. I forgot the thread name, but many were talking about the pull that Howe had and how bad an enemy Loghain would have had if he didn't side with Howe. 

I would have to agree with you though because as a human noble you have more connection with the nobility and royalty, being in the family of one of the two last Terynirs, and thus having met Loghain possibly once before. Hell, to some who played the noble, Loghain might have been considered their hero or idol in their storylines.

Throughout the game I thought my brother had died at Ostagar, only to realize at the end after I sacrificed myself that my brother had lived.  He carried on the bloodline.

Anyways Loghain took a part on the HN's family's death. Even though he wasn't the direct cause of it he was still a role in it.  Its like two bullies picking on a kid, one bully holds on to the kid by the arms (Loghain) and the other bully throws all his blows at the kid (Howe).  While the other bully didn't exactly beat you up you would still want to kick his ass along with the one who actually kick the sh*t out of you.

Lol awkward metaphor but thats the best way I can explain it.

Yeah, I think Loghain definitely had a strong say-so in Teyrn Cousland's death. If you notice, whenever Howe comments about Cailan, Bryce verbally slaps him on the wrist for it. Also, you can add in the fact that the Couslands are ardent royalists (Aldous) and Cailan's reaction to Howe's attack, and there's more than enough to suggest that they would have sided against Loghain and Howe in the Landsmeet. I'm guessing Arl Eamon was right below the two Teyrns (Loghain and Cousland) in terms of importance, since if he was a minor figure, he'd've avoided being poisoned and wouldn't have received much backing from other nobles.

I thought importance was Teryn Loghain, the Arl Eamon, then the Couslands.  Or that the Couslands and Arl Eamon were equal importance.

Considering that Loghain Mac Tir and Bryce Cousland were both Teyrns, and Eamon Guerrin was an Arl, I don't know how Eamon was more important. To Loghain, the Couslands and Eamon might be of equal importance, since Loghain himself would be out of that equation, however.

[Cypher0020]

Ok which class do you think bests suit a HN? Having a blast with a rogue dwarf.... but for some odd reason I can't see a HN being a rogue....



But sadly... I'm gonna miss being able to pick locks, etc....

[Liliandra Nadiar]

Had a HN rogue for a while, then I made a CE and DE one and the human just... couldn't cut it for me.



Current HNF sword/shield is about halfway through. Leliana follows me everywhere to handle those pesky locks.



Still debating on what to do with Loghain. The way Syrin (the HNF) sees it, Howe may have had the implied blessing from Loghain, but he is a commoner, despite his raised status. Howe is nobleborn and raised. Loghain is a great battlefield strategist (supposedly anyways) but not very politically savvy, based off the scene in Denerim following Ostagar. Howe could easily have directed the conversation, so while the Tyern gave him permission, the Arl presented the options in a way that favored his desires.



Loghain's the obvious threat to the kingdom's stability, but Howe is solely responsible for the deaths of her parents and nephew.

[Melca36]

Cypher0020 wrote...

Ok which class do you think bests suit a HN? Having a blast with a rogue dwarf.... but for some odd reason I can't see a HN being a rogue....

But sadly... I'm gonna miss being able to pick locks, etc....

I played a HNF Rogue.

I role played it like my character refused to learn use a shield so Bryce brought in skilled rogue fighters who fought during the rebellion and they trained her. 

[Elhanan]

I have a HN male Rogue that is good, but tends to juggle relationships. It would be difficult to play this Origin as Evil for me, but if attempted I would blame it on all the tainted blood I was forced to swallow....

[ejoslin]

Mr. Sprinkles101 wrote...

MKDAWUSS wrote...


Yeah, I think Loghain definitely had a strong say-so in Teyrn Cousland's death. If you notice, whenever Howe comments about Cailan, Bryce verbally slaps him on the wrist for it. Also, you can add in the fact that the Couslands are ardent royalists (Aldous) and Cailan's reaction to Howe's attack, and there's more than enough to suggest that they would have sided against Loghain and Howe in the Landsmeet. I'm guessing Arl Eamon was right below the two Teyrns (Loghain and Cousland) in terms of importance, since if he was a minor figure, he'd've avoided being poisoned and wouldn't have received much backing from other nobles.

I thought importance was Teryn Loghain, the Arl Eamon, then the Couslands.  Or that the Couslands and Arl Eamon were equal importance.

I wouldn't think so.  The Cousland's Terynir was larger than Loghain's and Eamon was definitely of a lower rank.  If anything, the Couslands were the highest ranking as Loghain was considered a commoner.  Hmmmm, who was Eamon's Teyrn (to whom did he swear fealty)?  Loghain or Bryce?  For some reason I think Bryce, but who knows.

Hmmmmm, and Loghain had nothing to do with the death of the Couslands.  He was an accessory after the fact, but he had no knowledge beforehand.

Modifié par ejoslin, 04 juillet 2010 - 10:15 .

[Aurelet]

Eamon's claim to superiority was that he was Queen Rowan's Brother. That said, the Cousland's were second only to the King according to game lore.

[MKDAWUSS]

Cypher0020 wrote...

Ok which class do you think bests suit a HN? Having a blast with a rogue dwarf.... but for some odd reason I can't see a HN being a rogue....

But sadly... I'm gonna miss being able to pick locks, etc....

I went with MHN Warrior. Problem is you can't get into every nook and cranny as a result, as mommy and Gilly are both warriors.

[MadCat221]

ejoslin wrote...

Mr. Sprinkles101 wrote...

MKDAWUSS wrote...


Yeah, I think Loghain definitely had a strong say-so in Teyrn Cousland's death. If you notice, whenever Howe comments about Cailan, Bryce verbally slaps him on the wrist for it. Also, you can add in the fact that the Couslands are ardent royalists (Aldous) and Cailan's reaction to Howe's attack, and there's more than enough to suggest that they would have sided against Loghain and Howe in the Landsmeet. I'm guessing Arl Eamon was right below the two Teyrns (Loghain and Cousland) in terms of importance, since if he was a minor figure, he'd've avoided being poisoned and wouldn't have received much backing from other nobles.

I thought importance was Teryn Loghain, the Arl Eamon, then the Couslands.  Or that the Couslands and Arl Eamon were equal importance.

I wouldn't think so.  The Cousland's Terynir was larger than Loghain's and Eamon was definitely of a lower rank.  If anything, the Couslands were the highest ranking as Loghain was considered a commoner.  Hmmmm, who was Eamon's Teyrn (to whom did he swear fealty)?  Loghain or Bryce?  For some reason I think Bryce, but who knows.

Hmmmmm, and Loghain had nothing to do with the death of the Couslands.  He was an accessory after the fact, but he had no knowledge beforehand.

Where is the city of Gwaren?  That's the teyrnir's seat (or at least close to it if it has a similar setup to the arling of Amaranthine with political and economic seats being distinct)  Highever is up north, a bit west of Amaranthine.  If Gwaren is down south, Loghain would have been Eamon's Teyrn.

Eamon's political clout comes mostly from being the brother of the late queen consort of King Maric.  That, and being better at the political game than Lohgain.

Modifié par MadCat221, 05 juillet 2010 - 03:06 .

[Cypher0020]

So whose next in line as Arl after Eamon? If Conner goes to the Circle..... who takes over Redciffe?



The structure confuses me... I know its



King/Queen

Arl/Arlessa...

Teryn/Ternya?

Ser?

Bann?

Common People?

[thesuperdarkone]

I though it was teryn first then arl

[Sarah1281]

Cypher0020 wrote...

So whose next in line as Arl after Eamon? If Conner goes to the Circle..... who takes over Redciffe?

The structure confuses me... I know its

King/Queen
Arl/Arlessa...
Teryn/Ternya?
Ser?
Bann?
Common People?

A ser isn't a nobleman, just a knight. It's King/Queen, Teyrn/Teyrna, Arl/Arlessa, Bann, Ser, commoners.

If Eamon does not have another child (or in the event he stays in Denerim) then Teagan takes over Redcliffe.

[Mr. Sprinkles101]

Cypher0020 wrote...


What does Howe say to a NON- Noble? Like.... hi?

He says "What up my brother from another mother!?!"

[Liliandra Nadiar]

I was under in impression that ser is more or less Mr/Miss/Mrs. Not directly indicative of a title so much as a respectful catch-all.

[Sarah1281]

Liliandra Nadiar wrote...

I was under in impression that ser is more or less Mr/Miss/Mrs. Not directly indicative of a title so much as a respectful catch-all.

Well, we meet Ser Perth who is a knight of Redcliffe, Ser Gilmore who is a knight of Highever, Ser Cauthrien who is one of Loghain's knights, Ser Gorim who is a knight in Orzammar...IRL Sir so-and-so usually denotes knighthood as well.

[Gnoster]

I have played all the origins several times, and so far I really enjoy the City Elf and Dwarf Noble origins the most.



However having played through the game with a Mage, Dwarf Noble, and Human Noble, I have to say that the Dwarf Noble story was kind of an anti-climax for me when he returned to Orzammar. I had seriously hoped for a lot more dialogue with Bhelen. Human Noble story beat that hands-down.

The Mage story is quite neutral, it's ok but over way too fast with the whole Jowan story. So far the Human story wins out of the three, I really like the extra element of commitment to my character's background due Howe's dagger in the back. Makes it that much more fun to behead Arl Howe late in the game.

Made a Sword & Shield HNM and a HNF rogue now for my next two playthroughs, and they'll be king and queen respectively.

[thesuperdarkone]

  
One of the better reasons to be a human noble 

[Xandurpein]

Mr. Sprinkles101 wrote...

Bahlgan wrote...

Mr. Sprinkles101 wrote...

Playing as a Human Noble made the fight against Loghain more personal. The other origins never made me feel that way

I agree, but to a marginal extent. I can understand why you say this though. I don't believe Loghain purposefully influenced himself with Howe (who is the HN's REAL enemy) in order to achieve his so called goals. I forgot the thread name, but many were talking about the pull that Howe had and how bad an enemy Loghain would have had if he didn't side with Howe. 

I would have to agree with you though because as a human noble you have more connection with the nobility and royalty, being in the family of one of the two last Terynirs, and thus having met Loghain possibly once before. Hell, to some who played the noble, Loghain might have been considered their hero or idol in their storylines.

Throughout the game I thought my brother had died at Ostagar, only to realize at the end after I sacrificed myself that my brother had lived.  He carried on the bloodline.

Anyways Loghain took a part on the HN's family's death. Even though he wasn't the direct cause of it he was still a role in it.  Its like two bullies picking on a kid, one bully holds on to the kid by the arms (Loghain) and the other bully throws all his blows at the kid (Howe).  While the other bully didn't exactly beat you up you would still want to kick his ass along with the one who actually kick the sh*t out of you.

Lol awkward metaphor but thats the best way I can explain it.

For me it's the very opposite. I almost always spare Loghain when playing a Human noble. A human noble is supposed to be trained in politics and to think like a leader, not just give in to personal feelings. With a human noble I can see that whatever I may personally feel about Loghain, it would be better for all Ferelden if former enemies could unite against the Blight.

If I play a city elf for example, I play it a lot more personal. I settle all personal scores and don't stop to consider the political implications always.

And no, Loghain was not responsible for the death of the Couslands, it was all Howe's doing. It's been confirmed by David Gaider. Loghain probably got the truth out of Howe after, but by hen he was dependant on Howe's support.

Gwaren is located in the south east, beyond the Brecilian forrest. Gwaren is quite isolated from the rest of the country and has nothing politically or geographically to do with Redcliff.

[Liliandra Nadiar]

Sarah1281 wrote...
 Well, we meet Ser Perth who is a knight of Redcliffe, Ser Gilmore who is a knight of Highever, Ser Cauthrien who is one of Loghain's knights, Ser Gorim who is a knight in Orzammar...IRL Sir so-and-so usually denotes knighthood as well.

True, however everyone of my characters has been addressed as ser at multiple times, regardless of origin. It's probably either a case of gender-neutral write overs by BioWare(since until the end of the game, no one would say my City Elf was a knight, even if she was), or Ser is also used in cases of 'you don't look like a noble, but you're probably a higher social rank then me or have enough power to pull off pretending it'.