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[jensenagain]

rokeeb wrote...

Wait, so in your first post, you showed us evidence that a romance in-game makes a game sell more copies, and you then went on to ask Bioware to take it out?
I'm sure they'll listen to your fine business sense

theyre not obligated to sell it to the datesim crowd ((see: fps crowd argument


the game needs BALANCE and STORY MAKING SENSE

[Sawp]

It makes sense.

Modifié par Sawp, 01 juillet 2010 - 10:50 .

[lovgreno]

Captain Jazz wrote...

lovgreno wrote...

But us consumers likes to romance aliens and odd fantasy races. They can and should give us what we want. Since my opinion is the only important one there should be more dwarf and turian love interests though.

Poor fool! You only think this because you have been brainwashed by the EVIL!! that is bioware to NEED!!! romance at the expense (for serious!) of game quality!!!!1!

So you are saying that romance in a game automaticaly makes it a bad game? Of course! How could I have been so blind?

[Captain Jazz]

Ok. Can we make our minds up once and for all please?
Are we opposed to ME2 because
a) it is dumbed down and caters only to "console kiddy" shooter fans
it is dumbed down and caters only to this datesim crowd
c) because my femshep wants to "get closer" to Tali
or
d) just because we like to complain about stuff

Votes on a postcard.

(my vote goes to c)

Modifié par Captain Jazz, 01 juillet 2010 - 10:53 .

[Alexine]

Rereading your argument doesn't make sense. BW wasn't bought by EA until 2007. They've always had the romances in previous titles (KOTOR and Jade Empire) before EA bought the studio. So you blame EA buying in and upgrading romances to the reason why story is dumbed down?



As well, even though ME2's romance were lack-luster, they are OPTIONAL, so you can ignore them and actually focus more upon the story. The whole point of the romance is to add another element of gameplay experience to the game.

[Annie_Dear]

Alexine wrote...

Rereading your argument doesn't make sense. BW wasn't bought by EA until 2007. They've always had the romances in previous titles (KOTOR and Jade Empire) before EA bought the studio. So you blame EA buying in and upgrading romances to the reason why story is dumbed down?

As well, even though ME2's romance were lack-luster, they are OPTIONAL, so you can ignore them and actually focus more upon the story. The whole point of the romance is to add another element of gameplay experience to the game.

No, there's the Paramour achivement. The OP is forced to romance someone.

[lovgreno]

Captain Jazz wrote...

Ok. Can we make our minds up once and for all please?
Are we opposed to ME2 because
a) it is dumbed down and caters only to "console kiddy" shooter fans
it is dumbed down and caters only to this datesim crowd
c) because my femshep wants to "get closer" to Tali
or
d) just because we like to complain about stuff

Votes on a postcard.

(my vote goes to c)

I must also add f): I know best and are therefore smarter than the datesim crowd, console kiddy shooter fans and everyone else.
I vote for c) and d)

[lovgreno]

[quote]Annie_Dear wrote...[/quote]

No, there's the Paramour achivement. The OP is forced to romance someone. [/quote]
And if there should be same sex romance even those that dislikes that kind of thing would be forced to do that. This would make them gay as well so therefore same sex romance is a big no no.

[Annie_Dear]

[quote]lovgreno wrote...




[quote]Annie_Dear wrote... No, there's the Paramour achivement. The OP is forced to romance someone.

[/quote]

And if there should be same sex romance even those that dislikes that kind of thing would be forced to do that. This would make them gay as well so therefore same sex romance is a big no no.[/quote]


[/quote]

Exactly. It all makes sense now...

Though, I wouldn't be supprised if people actually thought like that...

Modifié par Annie_Dear, 01 juillet 2010 - 11:24 .

[Alexine]

Annie_Dear wrote...
No, there's the Paramour achivement. The OP is forced to romance someone.

I suppose it's for xbox 360 achievements? Well, I'm a pc player, so they don't really count to anything. But getting the achievement is optional. ME2's romances are rather cut-and-paste, so it didn't affect the storyline and character development.

[Annie_Dear]

Alexine wrote...

Annie_Dear wrote...
No, there's the Paramour achivement. The OP is forced to romance someone.

I suppose it's for xbox 360 achievements? Well, I'm a pc player, so they don't really count to anything. But getting the achievement is optional. ME2's romances are rather cut-and-paste, so it didn't affect the storyline and character development.

You do realize I was just joking?

[J4N3_M3]

I actually like ME1 and ME2....I don't get tired of telling everyone how many games before have just BORED me after a while. So props to Bioware for keeping me interested and playing.

Do I want the romance stuff to continue in ME3? Yes please! My MainShep stayed faithful to her ME1-LI throughout ME2 and I want that to be rewarded! 

I like that I have the choice if I want to romance or not. If I don't, well then I just don't .

As for statistics and the number of sales: I think, we also have to consider the time that passes in between the release of games. People who played ME1, didn't necessarily go and buy ME2 because there's always this number of gamers, that purchase a game, play it and then decide they don't really like it. So they don't go and buy the second game of that series. Others grow out of gaming or just change their gaming interests.

I also think that the single gamer groups split into smaller groups as well. While I love Mass Effect, I just can't get into Dragen Age. Although it's an RPG, I just don't like the entire setup of the game, the story and all. Maybe I will one day but from what I've tried so far, I just didn't get into it. So a space A-RPG is more my cup of tea. The entire romance stuff is so not-important for me, personally. It's a nice thing yes, but I would have played ME in the first place if it hadn't had any romance at all. Now, since it has, I want the romance stuff to be part of ME3 as well, of course lol.

It's just as it is with movies: either it attacts people or it doesn't! You can never say from the start. You can increase the chances by adding great details, a good story, a great background and all but as well as this might attract one group of gamers, it might appear off putting to others.

So yeah....that's just how I see it.

[Chuvvy]

You can't form proper sentences, your argument is invalid.



lrn2 capitalize and punctuation.

[J4N3_M3]

[quote]lovgreno wrote...




[quote]Annie_Dear wrote... No, there's the Paramour achivement. The OP is forced to romance someone.

[/quote]

And if there should be same sex romance even those that dislikes that kind of thing would be forced to do that. This would make them gay as well so therefore same sex romance is a big no no.[/quote]


[/quote]

PS: if you look at it that way and speak of "forcing" then the same sex romances are literally forced up on  FemShep-players with Liara, Tali & Kelly. I haven't seen ANY male Shepard that has been "forced" into a same sex relationship. So if you want to be a nit-picker here, one could say that this is discriminating towards female players since they are "forced" into dealing with a same sex romance while male players aren't. Just saying...

[J4N3_M3]

mashavasilec wrote...

Guys, you really can't tell what sarcasm is, do you

doesn't translate too well in forums

[J4N3_M3]

mashavasilec wrote...

J4N3_M3 wrote...

mashavasilec wrote...

Guys, you really can't tell what sarcasm is, do you

doesn't translate too well in forums

'tis true, 'tis true.

Anyway this whole topic is a joke, I wouldn't recommend taking it seriously. 

still interesting to discuss it

[faction699]

where's the "porn" anyway? last i checked all you get is some "i love you!!!' followed by implied sex

[Cheese Elemental]

Well, if this trainwreck of a thread has proven anything, it's that video gamers on the internet don't actually like video games.

[zvbxrpl]

I guess I don't have much of a beef with the romances, simply because I don't think that 'gameplay' in an RPG with dialogue trees excludes all the conversations with party members, The romances are just part of the conversations, and frankly, I find that including plot-irrelevant bits of character development in those conversations (romantic character arcs are a very good example of this) is part of what makes BioWare stand out consistently in terms of writing. Maybe it's just having been immersed in subdued character studies in my French Film course last semester, but I've found that it's not a good plot that makes something well-written so much as compelling characterization. If you told me that BioWare was cutting out a lot of the extraneous conversation to focus on story and combat in their next game, I would probably not rush out to buy that game.

Also, the sales figures are not that convincing. Baldur's Gate II sold more than Baldur's Gate I because even people who hadn't played the first game had heard good things about it, so they probably jumped on the sequel. NWN sold so much because all the FR fans had heard, at least through word of mouth, that, hey, Bioware made this other really good D&D game set in the Forgotten Realms, so get this next one. KoToR sold so well because, dude, it's fricking Star Wars. A well-reviewed Star Wars game will sell like crazy. Mass Effect and Dragon Age sold so well because at this point video games are mainstream in a way that they have never been before, and their console versions were heavily marketed (like it or not, there are way more console gamers than PC gamers). Dragon Age in particular was bought so heavily because it was BioWare's return to the top-down, massive scale, epic fantasy RPGs that the company had so much critical and fan success with. Or, to be more explicit, people bought Dragon Age because they expected it to be a lot like...(drumroll)...the Baldur's Gate franchise. As for Awakenings' poor sales, I'm sure that has nothing to do with the fact that it's a damn $40 expansion pack (based on prices from Steam and the retail price of the console version).

EDIT: Also what Faction699 said.

Modifié par zvbxrpl, 01 juillet 2010 - 12:27 .

[lovgreno]

[quote]J4N3_M3 wrote...

[quote]lovgreno wrote...
[quote]Annie_Dear wrote... No, there's the Paramour achivement. The OP is forced to romance someone.
[/quote]

And if there should be same sex romance even those that dislikes that kind of thing would be forced to do that. This would make them gay as well so therefore same sex romance is a big no no.[/quote]


[quote]

PS: if you look at it that way and speak of "forcing" then the same sex romances are literally forced up on  FemShep-players with Liara, Tali & Kelly. I haven't seen ANY male Shepard that has been "forced" into a same sex relationship. So if you want to be a nit-picker here, one could say that this is discriminating towards female players since they are "forced" into dealing with a same sex romance while male players aren't. Just saying...
[/quote]
I was sarcastic, no need to take this seriously. I don't think any romance is realy forced upon anyone. But yeah, it's funny that a bi or gay femShep is okay but maleShep must be straight. One can only speculate on why.

Modifié par lovgreno, 01 juillet 2010 - 12:27 .

[langelog]

Cheese Elemental wrote...

Well, if this trainwreck of a thread has proven anything, it's that video gamers on the internet don't actually like video games.

Behold, Enlightenment!

[Goldrock]

Im just happy me was made as great as it was it hooked me from start too finish same with dragonage we need more non japanese made rpgs no offense too japanese rpgs i love them too.