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[HarradX]

Personally I don't think the Collectors would have had the numbers to openly attack the home world of one of the council races, thereby drawing the attention of the other council races and their allies. The collectors greatest weapon was secrecy, so they did a good job scavenging all those small colonies, but from what I've seen in-game they are just not equipped for a full-fledged "war" on humanity. All we've seen them doing was singling out more or less unprotected remote colonies. Their advanced technology sure was effective on said colonies, but I doubt it would have been of much use against a whole planet. Their entire base being taken out by just a handful if elite combat/tech/biotic specialists didn't quite help their credibility along the way either.

At this rate they wouldn't have been able to complete the Human Reaper construct anytime soon, and even if they did: What use would it have for the Reapers other than being some sort of recognition of the resourcefulness of the human race? Sure, that terminator-on-steoroids look of it might have been intimidating, but sadly ended up a proof for Shepard's genius theory ("machines can be broken!").

Please don't get me wrong, I loved ME2 and found it to be a vast improvement over the first game, but what I really liked about ME1 was the feeling that the fate of the galaxy actually depended on you, this sense of urgency.

Well, just my 2 cents.

Modifié par HarradX, 01 juillet 2010 - 03:47 .

[Skilled Seeker]

tl;dr

[HarradX]

Skilled Seeker wrote...

tl;dr

Fair enough.:innocent:

[smudboy]

No one on the team could've possibly deduced they'd target earth.

[PnXMarcin1PL]

Collector ship would retreat or get wasted. Earth defenses and fleets r just too big for one ship, for even one collector ship.

[HarradX]

smudboy wrote...

No one on the team could've possibly deduced they'd target earth.

Tali did. It's her comment on the ten thousands of empty pods in the collector ship, I quoted her (save the "or not" bit).

[wizardryforever]

This is one of those things that leads me to believe that we haven't seen the end of the collectors, or other Reaper agents in the galaxy.  If all they had was the one ship, then you're right, they couldn't target Earth.  But I suspect that there are other forces out there (besides the Reapers) that would be used against Earth to capture the humans there.  Also, it could be that the Collectors wouldn't target Earth until the Reapers arrived, when it would be easy pickings.  It would be isolated from the relay network, the Reapers would show up, knock out any orbital defenses, then send the collectors to the surface to harvest all the humans, who would be defenseless against the seeker swarms.  It may even be that they planned to do this at the start of the invasion, to complete the human reaper to use against the other races.  Or they would do this as an afterthought to their reaping, picking off the defiant humans after the rest of the galaxy fell.

[Bebbe777]

In the new comic a Collector datapad lists potential human planets with a big population...Earth is the last planet on that list.

[LorDC]

http://social.biowar...5/index/2844283 page umm... **** I don't remember which one.

Modifié par LorDC, 01 juillet 2010 - 04:10 .

[smudboy]

HarradX wrote...

smudboy wrote...

No one on the team could've possibly deduced they'd target earth.

Tali did. It's her comment on the ten thousands of empty pods in the collector ship, I quoted her (save the "or not" bit).

How do they know this?

[Inthatplace]

smudboy wrote...

HarradX wrote...

smudboy wrote...

No one on the team could've possibly deduced they'd target earth.

Tali did. It's her comment on the ten thousands of empty pods in the collector ship, I quoted her (save the "or not" bit).

How do they know this?

Through their awesome skills.

[CroGamer002]

My theory is that they didn't bring all colonists to Collector base but some of them put elsewhere to to indoctrinate them just enough to be Reaper army to replace Geth Heretics.

[HarradX]

smudboy wrote...

HarradX wrote...

smudboy wrote...

No one on the team could've possibly deduced they'd target earth.

Tali did. It's her comment on the ten thousands of empty pods in the collector ship, I quoted her (save the "or not" bit).

How do they know this?

She doesn't know, she just presumes it because of all the yet-to-be-filled pods, and while the number of targetable colonies is limited, Earth offers plenty of "material".

[smudboy]

Inthatplace wrote...

smudboy wrote...

HarradX wrote...

smudboy wrote...

No one on the team could've possibly deduced they'd target earth.

Tali did. It's her comment on the ten thousands of empty pods in the collector ship, I quoted her (save the "or not" bit).

How do they know this?

Through their awesome skills.

Then one of those skills is not deduction.  It could be brainstorming, but how is everyone canning that line?  I'd go so far to say it's induction:

There are many pods on the large Collector Cruise ceiling, some filled with people from colonies.
Therefore, in order to fill all those pods, they're going to target Earth.

There's no data to support this, no causality in logic, no understanding of their collection methods and flight plan, and no understanding of why, or what this will accomplish.  As a practical understanding, as you yourself stated, it won't work.

I'll just chalk it up to bad writing.  The list: she is getting big.

Modifié par smudboy, 01 juillet 2010 - 04:31 .

[HarradX]

smudboy wrote...

Inthatplace wrote...

smudboy wrote...

HarradX wrote...

smudboy wrote...

No one on the team could've possibly deduced they'd target earth.

Tali did. It's her comment on the ten thousands of empty pods in the collector ship, I quoted her (save the "or not" bit).

How do they know this?

Through their awesome skills.

Then one of those skills is not deduction.  It could be brainstorming, but how is everyone canning that line?  I'd go so far to say it's induction:

There are many pods on the large Collector Cruise ceiling, some filled with people from colonies.
Therefore, in order to fill all those pods, they're going to target Earth.

There's no data to support this, no causality in logic, no understanding of their collection methods and flight plan, and no understanding of why, or what this will accomplish.  As a practical understanding, as you yourself stated, it won't work.

I'll just chalk it up to bad writing.  The list: she is getting big.

You are right, and by the way, I never claimed that targeting earth would be a logical outcome of their collection methods whatsoever, it's just that I don't see how else they are going to amount enough people to complete the Human Reaper. Also, today was the release of a comic featuring a Collector datapad listing the most profitable places for abducting humans, including Earth, by Mac Walters, ME2 Leader Writer. Maybe the logic behind this is far simpler that we'd like to imagine.

Canning just this one line from Tali probably wasn't that good of an idea, but how about "We're at war, Shepard. No one wants to admit, but humanity is under attack." Now that sounds pretty dramatic, doesn't it? A war between two species implies to me that one of them would eventually target the the enemy's base in order to resolve the conflict in their favor, which Shepard and company did.

[ADLegend21]

smudboy wrote...

No one on the team could've possibly deduced they'd target earth.

funny Because mordin was on my team when he came to that conclusion. so you're doubting the intelligence of Dr. Solus?

[xiiz]

 I just look at it this way: They just stumpled in to this huge ship with thousands of pods, they're shocked and overwhelmed so without much thought behind it, they're thinking that the Collectors are gonna target Earth. They'd probably all take back those words afterwards, they're just surprised etc. in that very situation. 

[KarmaTheAlligator]

The logic behind that line is that only Earth has the numbers to fill those pods, so if they want them filled, there's only one place.

[Bhatair]

They were working for the Reapers.

[DeathScepter]

also with the husks, they do have the numbers to take Earth.

[KarmaTheAlligator]

DeathScepter wrote...

also with the husks, they do have the numbers to take Earth.

They'd never make it close enough to Earth to launch ground forces.

[BDelacroix]

To be fair, it was really more like two handfuls of operatives.

[Darion_Blackhammer]

I really think everyone is reading a *little* too much into one line ... it was an assumed guess -made under shocking circumstances - based on numbers needed vs. numbers available ... that's really about it.

[Mx_CN3]

Darion_Blackhammer wrote...

I really think everyone is reading a *little* too much into one line ... it was an assumed guess -made under shocking circumstances - based on numbers needed vs. numbers available ... that's really about it.

This.  I'm amazed that people make such a big deal out of a five word speculative offhand comment.

[smudboy]

HarradX wrote...

smudboy wrote...

Inthatplace wrote...

smudboy wrote...

HarradX wrote...

smudboy wrote...

No one on the team could've possibly deduced they'd target earth.

Tali did. It's her comment on the ten thousands of empty pods in the collector ship, I quoted her (save the "or not" bit).

How do they know this?

Through their awesome skills.

Then one of those skills is not deduction.  It could be brainstorming, but how is everyone canning that line?  I'd go so far to say it's induction:

There are many pods on the large Collector Cruise ceiling, some filled with people from colonies.
Therefore, in order to fill all those pods, they're going to target Earth.

There's no data to support this, no causality in logic, no understanding of their collection methods and flight plan, and no understanding of why, or what this will accomplish.  As a practical understanding, as you yourself stated, it won't work.

I'll just chalk it up to bad writing.  The list: she is getting big.

You are right, and by the way, I never claimed that targeting earth would be a logical outcome of their collection methods whatsoever, it's just that I don't see how else they are going to amount enough people to complete the Human Reaper. Also, today was the release of a comic featuring a Collector datapad listing the most profitable places for abducting humans, including Earth, by Mac Walters, ME2 Leader Writer. Maybe the logic behind this is far simpler that we'd like to imagine.

Canning just this one line from Tali probably wasn't that good of an idea, but how about "We're at war, Shepard. No one wants to admit, but humanity is under attack." Now that sounds pretty dramatic, doesn't it? A war between two species implies to me that one of them would eventually target the the enemy's base in order to resolve the conflict in their favor, which Shepard and company did.

Who says they have to fill all the pods?

At that point in the story, it means war with the Reapers, yes, nor any concept of a "base", let alone bases.  A war that no one has any clue on how, where or for what scope, nor understanding upon which it is being fought, if one could call such a form of conflict a war.  ME3 could be one massive Harbinger remote-proxy spaceship war.