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[The_N7]

After being unfaithful to mass effect 2 for a couple of hours, i noticed that the locust queen (gears of war 2) sounded exactly like Dr Chakwas. So i decided to do some research and it turns out to be the same voice actor. The queen also looks like Chakwas. 

Now, why have i bothered people with this? After discovering this, i find that i dont trust Dr Chakwas anymore. <_< Everytime i go to the medbay im scared she might put me on a torture barge.... 

[Cerberus Operative Ashley Williams]

I've had enough of your snide accusations!



*punch*

[JRCHOharry]

THIS IS AN OUTRAGE!

[The_N7]

 lol cant help the truth 

[Spornicus]

Ah yes, "doctor locust queen." We have dismissed that claim.

[smudboy]

The good doctor has no reason to exist in the ME universe. Her ridiculously jumbled motivations and completely useless presence makes her nothing but fluff.

[JRCHOharry]

smudboy wrote...

The good doctor has no reason to exist in the ME universe. Her ridiculously jumbled motivations and completely useless presence makes her nothing but fluff.

That sounded like a Harbinger insult...

[Inquisitor Recon]

smudboy wrote...
The good doctor has no reason to exist in the ME universe. Her ridiculously jumbled motivations and completely useless presence makes her nothing but fluff.

Is this the guy everybody keeps talking about?

Dr. Hacksaw could drink you under the table.

[Spornicus]

smudboy wrote...

The good doctor has no reason to exist in the ME universe. Her ridiculously jumbled motivations and completely useless presence makes her nothing but fluff.

She's the only doctor on a ship. I'd say she's not useless.

[Caesar914]

He means that her character hasn't contributed anything to ME's plot. There are no missions involved with her or centered around her (with the exception of buying her booze and saving her on the collector base, obviously not a big deal in either case). But everyone has a story to tell, and Chakwas is an interesting personality, the woman that gave up any hope of a normal life, family, friends, etc. to find something romantic in life among the stars. It doesn't matter, I bet if Chakwas wasn't there that he'd be complaining that we never get to talk to a doctor or other crewmen on the ship. Her, among others such as the custodian and the engineers (their names escape me right now), are there to add to the complexity to the Normandy, give it a bit more life and character. Less nameless npc's who are just "there". And even those in ME2 get some dialogue.

[smudboy]

Plot, game play use. Her backstory is some drunken rambling which raises more questions than it tries to explain. We never see her do anything.

To summarize: useless in the first game (what, 3 standard conversation options?) Now she's a drunken rambling-romantic whose causality & motivations make no sense, where we never see her do anything. Oh, she writes you an email for the most expensive and purely cosmetic upgrade. May as well have a robo-doc, or VI.

[Bhatair]

You pegged it, she's fluff.

Now stop complaining and enjoy being happily drunk.

[Caesar914]

Smudboy what is it that you waaaaant.....? I've only ever read what you see are problems with the Mass Effect universe, I've never read what you actually want DONE. Have you written about it somewhere else maybe? The forums have just been bursting lately with discussion and arguments over the plot and you've definitely been an important factor in that, but I've only read things that are negative.



On a different note..... after watching a few of your youtube vids, I agree with you on one point at least. Shepard doesn't develop as a character like he should. He's very static.

[smudboy]

I want things to make sense. Clear, concise writing, which a space opera (or at least a title which is trying to be one) requires.

For ME2, I wanted a sequel that continues where the last game left off, not a reboot/Shepard's Excellent Rockband Roadtrip.

Shepard was rather static in the first game as well. He's essentially the traditional mute-RPG protagonist, with a voice actor/actress (if that makes any sense.) More player-association, or some jazz like that. Because "this is Shepard's story: your story", or something. If the protagonist is not integral to the plot, then we have to personally care for them as a character/person in some thematic or personal way in order for there to be drama; but we don't, so there isn't.

[Tooneyman]

smudboy wrote...

I want things to make sense. Clear, concise writing, which a space opera (or at least a title which is trying to be one) requires.
For ME2, I wanted a sequel that continues where the last game left off, not a reboot/Shepard's Excellent Rockband Roadtrip.
Shepard was rather static in the first game as well. He's essentially the traditional mute-RPG protagonist, with a voice actor/actress (if that makes any sense.) More player-association, or some jazz like that. Because "this is Shepard's story: your story", or something. If the protagonist is not integral to the plot, then we have to personally care for them as a character/person in some thematic or personal way in order for there to be drama; but we don't, so there isn't.

Will this man's need for a real plot surface. Will he become truly satified with the out come of the next game. Will ME 3 deliver the promise and hope of a great plot to his man's ears and make his space opera days better.

Who knows, but for now I guess we can just:

[Cheese Elemental]

smudboy wrote...

I want things to make sense. Clear, concise writing, which a space opera (or at least a title which is trying to be one) requires.
For ME2, I wanted a sequel that continues where the last game left off, not a reboot/Shepard's Excellent Rockband Roadtrip.
Shepard was rather static in the first game as well. He's essentially the traditional mute-RPG protagonist, with a voice actor/actress (if that makes any sense.) More player-association, or some jazz like that. Because "this is Shepard's story: your story", or something. If the protagonist is not integral to the plot, then we have to personally care for them as a character/person in some thematic or personal way in order for there to be drama; but we don't, so there isn't.

So you're saying that there's also no point to all those random crew around the Normandy who can't even be talked to?

Christ on a bike, do you ever stop whining? They're just fluff; deal with it.

[The Grey Ranger]

Not every character needs to be plot critical or be there for a quest. I figured Dr. Chakwas was there more for atmosphere and just to make things feel a little more realistic. Kind of like the Chef/Janitor, Navigator Presley, or the engineers. By being there they give the feel of having a proper crew for the ship, even though they don't really serve a greater role in forwarding the plot.

[smudboy]

Cheese Elemental wrote...

smudboy wrote...

I want things to make sense. Clear, concise writing, which a space opera (or at least a title which is trying to be one) requires.
For ME2, I wanted a sequel that continues where the last game left off, not a reboot/Shepard's Excellent Rockband Roadtrip.
Shepard was rather static in the first game as well. He's essentially the traditional mute-RPG protagonist, with a voice actor/actress (if that makes any sense.) More player-association, or some jazz like that. Because "this is Shepard's story: your story", or something. If the protagonist is not integral to the plot, then we have to personally care for them as a character/person in some thematic or personal way in order for there to be drama; but we don't, so there isn't.

So you're saying that there's also no point to all those random crew around the Normandy who can't even be talked to?

Christ on a bike, do you ever stop whining? They're just fluff; deal with it.

I'm not.

I know.

I have.

What's your broken, Mr. Cyber Jesus on a Shuttle (with his 12 useless people, generating a massive plot hole in the process?)

[smudboy]

The Grey Ranger wrote...

Not every character needs to be plot critical or be there for a quest. I figured Dr. Chakwas was there more for atmosphere and just to make things feel a little more realistic. Kind of like the Chef/Janitor, Navigator Presley, or the engineers. By being there they give the feel of having a proper crew for the ship, even though they don't really serve a greater role in forwarding the plot.

Their existence for being there, however, doesn't hurt my brain.

[squigian]

No, he has a point. It's not so much the issue of a doctor being on board the Normandy.as why Doctor Chakwas? Her motivations for joining a terrorist organisation are not done well at all, the same being true for Joker.

[Brp650]

squigian wrote...

No, he has a point. It's not so much the issue of a doctor being on board the Normandy.as why Doctor Chakwas? Her motivations for joining a terrorist organisation are not done well at all, the same being true for Joker.

Doesnt Joker explain why he is part of cerberus now? The whole "Team broke up, grounded him, etc etc"
He wants to fly and Cerberus gave him the oppertunity. His role in ME2 is explained is it not?

[squigian]

There's a  problem with the premise, though; the Alliance wouldn't ground their "best pilot".  Even if they did that, I do not see wanting to fly as enough motivation for Joker to join up with an extremist organisation that he helped Shepard (indirectly) hurt in the first game, and was responsible for the assassination of an Alliance admiral.

Modifié par squigian, 02 juillet 2010 - 02:58 .

[Cheese Elemental]

smudboy wrote...

Cheese Elemental wrote...

smudboy wrote...

I want things to make sense. Clear, concise writing, which a space opera (or at least a title which is trying to be one) requires.
For ME2, I wanted a sequel that continues where the last game left off, not a reboot/Shepard's Excellent Rockband Roadtrip.
Shepard was rather static in the first game as well. He's essentially the traditional mute-RPG protagonist, with a voice actor/actress (if that makes any sense.) More player-association, or some jazz like that. Because "this is Shepard's story: your story", or something. If the protagonist is not integral to the plot, then we have to personally care for them as a character/person in some thematic or personal way in order for there to be drama; but we don't, so there isn't.

So you're saying that there's also no point to all those random crew around the Normandy who can't even be talked to?

Christ on a bike, do you ever stop whining? They're just fluff; deal with it.

I'm not.

I know.

I have.

What's your broken, Mr. Cyber Jesus on a Shuttle (with his 12 useless people, generating a massive plot hole in the process?)

So you don't like ME2's plot at all? Why, then, do you incessantly whine about it when you know it won't achieve anything? Do you just like trolling people here?

Modifié par Cheese Elemental, 02 juillet 2010 - 03:16 .

[smudboy]

It's a combo of what Joker and Chakwas says that doesn't add up.  It's like the writers who did those two sections didn't get their facts straight.
Or, Chakwas was just so drunk she couldn't tell a proper story, at which, it becomes an even larger waste of time.
1a. Joker leaves the Alliance to join Cerberus (which is, by definition, joining a terrorist group, insane, simply because you want to fly?)
1b.This occurs supposedly immediately after Shepard dies, due to politics and all that.
2a. Chakwas came to Cerberus/SR2, 2 years later, after being at the Mars Naval Medical center, because she wanted to be stationed on a starship.  She does it to work for Shepard, not Cerberus.  How did she know?
2b. She's lived a full life and trusts Shepard, and survived all these leathal spaceship encounters (so she has no problems going on a suicide mission?)
2c. Because of her record, she could've gotten a position on any ship in the Alliance, but she joined Cerberus because Joker was there, which is insane (so if your friend joins a terrorist organization, should you, while quitting your longtime, amazing career?)  How did she know Joker was there, when did she join, and how did this conversation take place ("Hey Doc I'm working for terrorists!  I haven't flown yet, but I'm gonna!", "Can I come too?")
2d. She joined with Joker aside from a sense of family, but because of his Vrolik syndrome.  So if Joker joined Cerberus immediately after the SR1 got destroyed, was Joker seeing any other doctors/treatment for his condition?  Or was he making trips to the Mars Naval Medical center?  With space travel, this seems more possible, but how did this work?  If these two weren't always together, he must've been getting treatment from someone else.
3. She apparently saves Garrus' life, but we never see this or get any feedback from our amazing doctor. (Garrus just pops up right after his recruitment mission after getting several shots by a Vulcan cannon.  Wouldn't this have been an excellent, dramatic scene to see the doctor at work?  The other issue is if you've gotten Mordin, would he have assisted?)
4. She does nothing expect get captured and give you an email about a cosmetic ship upgrade.
5. She gets recovered regardless of your dillying on the Suicide Mission, which implies she'll be there again in ME3, once again doing absolutely nothing. (Correction: she can die if you send an unloyal squad member to escort her and any survivors back.)

Modifié par smudboy, 03 juillet 2010 - 12:12 .