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[Jaron Oberyn]

PoliteAssasin wrote...

"What I can say is that we're going to be offering a lot more range of content from maybe a weapon, a new gun to new armours, new helmets, side quests up to full expansion packs."

Maybe refers to the different types of DLC they will offer. There will be at least one expansion pack. This quote proves it. I didn't call it an expansion, Mr. Cho called it an expansion. Stop acting so blind and just read the statement I quoted above. And if you don't believe me, go to the link I provided.

We've gotten everything he listed above, except an expansion. So I guess your going to say that when he says "maybe" he is only talking about everything but the expansion pack.

http://www.computera...e.php?id=229700

-Polite

Read my entire post before posting again. A definition from wikipedia is hardly proof.
Like I said above, we have everything mr. Cho outlined above, except a full expansion. Overlord, Zaeed, Firewalker, Kasumi - Those are all just sidequests. Zaeed and Kasumi don't even fall into the category. But even so, they only include 1 sidequest. Firewalker is a pack of about 4 sidequests. Overlord is 1 sidequest. Those are not "full expansion packs".

Stop acting ignorant and asking me what I'm trying to prove. You are either blind, or you know the point and are just acting dumb for the sake of it. I'm hoping its the former.

 -Polite

Modifié par PoliteAssasin, 04 juillet 2010 - 10:21 .

[Jaron Oberyn]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

PoliteAssasin wrote...

PoliteAssasin wrote...
"What I can say is that we're going to be offering a lot more range of content from maybe a weapon, a new gun to new armours, new helmets, side quests up to full expansion packs."

http://www.computera...e.php?id=229700

-Polite

Read my entire post before posting again. A definition from wikipedia is hardly proof.
Like I said above, we have everything mr. Cho outlined above, except a full expansion. Overlord, Zaeed, Firewalker, Kasumi - Those are all just sidequests. Zaeed and Kasumi don't even fall into the category. But even so, they only include 1 sidequest. Firewalker is a pack of about 4 sidequests. Overlord is 1 sidequest. Those are not "full expansion packs".

Stop acting ignorant and asking me what I'm trying to prove. You are either blind, or you know the point and are just acting dumb for the sake of it. I'm hoping its the former.

 -Polite

Define expansion pack, and provide you're source.

We have been told that there will be bridging DLC, that could also be
interpreted as "expansion packs".

Once again, what are you trying to prove?

I won't waste my time arguing with you. I find a good debate refreshing, but you aren't contributing sufficient information to back up your claims. If anything, you are the one who is speculating about all of this. Do you honestly believe that Overlord and the Firewalker pack are "full expansion packs"? Emphasis on the "FULL". Do you really believe that? Cause if so, then I'm sorry but you are sadly, sadly, mistaken. We are told, as you say, that there will be content ranging from weapons, armor, side quests, and full expansion packs. Like I said above, we have had all but the full expansion packs. Dragon Age: Awakening is a "full expansion pack". The Darkspawn chronicles, Lelianas song, Return to Ostagar, Wardens Keep, etc.. were only side quests. Small time DLC. Not "full expansion packs". 

I have an excellent source of proof to back up my claims. What do you have? Besides your personal doubt? You show me two web definitions of the word "expansion" that proves absolutely nothing. So as long as you don't provide any proof to contradict the statement of Mr. Cho, then we have nothing more to discuss. I have proven my point, there is going to be an expansion pack. I have provided a quote and source to back up my claims. You have an issue with discerning between a DLC side quest and a "full expansion" pack. Well I will certainly be laughing when the day comes that you will see that I am right, and you were wrong.

I had a similar debate a while ago on the old forums. We were discussing the squad members of ME2. After seeing the different videos of gameplay and snippets of dialogue, a few members, including me, came to the conclusion that Garrus was a recruitable squad member. We had various sources of evidence to point to the fact that Garrus is recruitable. But what happened? Some of the forum members felt that the "evidence" was nothing unless, or until, Bioware officially announces Garrus as a recruitable squad member. Well, I'm sure you've played the game and we all know that he is. We had proof, but nothing as convicting as this statement I provided above from Adrian Cho. This time, I have quoted a Bioware producer saying that they will offer content ranging from weapons, armor, side quests, to full expansion packs. If that's not enough evidence to prove to you that there will be an expansion, without an official announcement, then I don't know what is. 

 -Polite

[LPPrince]

PoliteAssasin wrote...

"What I can say is that we're going to be offering a lot more range of content from maybe a weapon, a new gun to new armours, new helmets, side quests up to full expansion packs."

Maybe refers to the different types of DLC they will offer. There will be at least one expansion pack. This quote proves it. I didn't call it an expansion, Mr. Cho called it an expansion. Stop acting so blind and just read the statement I quoted above. And if you don't believe me, go to the link I provided.

We've gotten everything he listed above, except an expansion. So I guess your going to say that when he says "maybe" he is only talking about everything but the expansion pack. 

http://www.computera...e.php?id=229700

-Polite

"What I can say is that we're going to be offering a lot more range of content from maybe a weapon, a new gun to new armours, new helmets, side quests up to full expansion packs."
If you missed that maybe, read that again.
And if you didn't, how do you know what his intent behind "maybe" was?

What is your definition of "confirmation", because there's no such confirmation in the quotes and links you provided.

[LPPrince]

PoliteAssasin wrote...
This time, I have quoted a Bioware producer saying that they will offer content ranging from weapons, armor, side quests, to full expansion packs. If that's not enough evidence to prove to you that there will be an expansion, without an official announcement, then I don't know what is. 

 -Polite

You want to know what it takes?

An official announcement. "Maybe" and "Probably" is not evidence or proof.

"Maybe" and "Probably" means they're thinking about it. It means they might do it. It means its an option they're considering.

If someone asks me if I got them a Pepsi, and I say, "Maybe", does that mean that I without a doubt definitely got them a Pepsi? Hell no.

[LPPrince]

slimgrin wrote...

Ok, no expansion pack is confirmed. Lets put it to rest already.

Honestly, I'm trying to. I don't want to get into a whole argument describing that "maybe" and "probably" don't equate to "will" and "guaranteed" but it seems like that's where this is going unless it stops.

[Jaron Oberyn]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

PoliteAssasin wrote...
I won't waste my time arguing with you. I find a good debate refreshing, but you aren't contributing sufficient information to back up your claims. If anything, you are the one who is speculating about all of this. Do you honestly believe that Overlord and the Firewalker pack are "full expansion packs"? Emphasis on the "FULL". Do you really believe that? Cause if so, then I'm sorry but you are sadly, sadly, mistaken. We are told, as you say, that there will be content ranging from weapons, armor, side quests, and full expansion packs. Like I said above, we have had all but the full expansion packs. Dragon Age: Awakening is a "full expansion pack". The Darkspawn chronicles, Lelianas song, Return to Ostagar, Wardens Keep, etc.. were only side quests. Small time DLC. Not "full expansion packs". 

I have an excellent source of proof to back up my claims. What do you have? Besides your personal doubt? You show me two web definitions of the word "expansion" that proves absolutely nothing. So as long as you don't provide any proof to contradict the statement of Mr. Cho, then we have nothing more to discuss. I have proven my point, there is going to be an expansion pack. I have provided a quote and source to back up my claims. You have an issue with discerning between a DLC side quest and a "full expansion" pack. Well I will certainly be laughing when the day comes that you will see that I am right, and you were wrong.

I had a similar debate a while ago on the old forums. We were discussing the squad members of ME2. After seeing the different videos of gameplay and snippets of dialogue, a few members, including me, came to the conclusion that Garrus was a recruitable squad member. We had various sources of evidence to point to the fact that Garrus is recruitable. But what happened? Some of the forum members felt that the "evidence" was nothing unless, or until, Bioware officially announces Garrus as a recruitable squad member. Well, I'm sure you've played the game and we all know that he is. We had proof, but nothing as convicting as this statement I provided above from Adrian Cho. This time, I have quoted a Bioware producer saying that they will offer content ranging from weapons, armor, side quests, to full expansion packs. If that's not enough evidence to prove to you that there will be an expansion, without an official announcement, then I don't know what is. 

 -Polite

I don't have any claims, you are the one making the claims.  You are the one that hasn't provided sufficient proof.  I don't have to provide anything.  Why?  Because I am not trying to predict the future, whereas you are. 

Weren't you on the forums here a few months ago preaching that we will have "Liara DLC" also?

This is the statement:
"What I can say is that we're going to be offering a lot more range of
content from maybe a weapon, a new gun to new armours, new helmets, side
quests up to full expansion packs."

Not to mention, that Bioware has made statements in the past that did
not come to fruition.

We have been told that there will be bridging DLC, this could also be an expansion pack.  So what is you're point that you are trying to make?  Are you trying to blow this out of proportion, and make out to be more than what it is? 

Don't try to pretend like you have some infinate knowledge here on the forums.  Once again, we have been told their will be DLC, you want to play games and try to predict the future, then expect to get challenged.

Until it is officially announced, you have nothing, it's as simple as that.

If you think you are "challenging" me then your in for a surprise. I'm going to say this and then it's over. We have nothing more to discuss. Look at the statement. He's not saying "maybe we'll do these things, but we might not." He's offering the different types of content they will be providing. We have seen everything he says "maybe" about in the quote above, except a "full expansion pack". So your saying that he's said maybe we will have a new weapon, a new helmet, a new piece of armor, a new side quest, and a full expansion pack, but only meant it for everything BUT the "full expansion pack"? That kind of thinking is flawed, and biased. If everything he said "maybe" about on that list, regardless of how you interpret the word "maybe", but the "full expansion pack" has come out, what makes you think that the "full expansion pack" won't be coming out? And I'm not pretending anything, I obviously have more of an understanding than you do any time I can read a statement and comprehend the meaning. So your argument is that everything Mr. Cho said they might be doing, but the "full expansion pack" will come? Because that's what it looks like based on your argument. And as I said above, it is flawed based on the information of the quote. 

That is all I'm going to say of this matter. Obviously you don't want to admit you have been proven wrong. That's fine. That's your issue. But don't come around here making claims without proof. I have proof. If you incorrectly interpret the statement that's your issue. But don't tell people that theres not going to be an expansion pack because Bioware hasn't officially announced it. 

 -Polite

[LPPrince]

Jesus Christ.



I want to say things, but God, I promised Chris a while back to keep it locked up.



No one is wrong until an Awakening-style expansion either comes out or doesn't.



And even then, some of us(me included) won't be wrong since we're just trying to say that while we either want or don't want one, there has been no guarantees that one will exist.



Folks, lets get off the topic. And don't start claiming others can't accept a fact when your "fact" is really your own opinion, possibly flawed.

[Jaron Oberyn]

When asked specifically if they'd consider a full expansion akin to Grand Theft Auto IV's The Ballad of Gay Tony, Cho said, "I think so. It depends on the scale. The price range I think is really important so that we can give players good value for their money, I think that's really important. I think we see publishers and developers on one side unfairly price things."

http://www.cinemable...ible-21810.html

Another source of proof.

According to a recent Microsoft Expert Zone quiz, Mass Effect 2[/i] will be getting downloadable content bigger than the first has ever dreamed of receiving. This includes downloadable characters, combat content and even full episodic content.The Expert Zone quiz says Mass Effect 2[/i] will have “planned episodic combat via DLC,” new weapons, armor and characters for the “campaign experience,” new downloadable worlds, and “full campaign expansions for download.”Also mentioned in the quiz, the game will have “periodic updates” via the in-game “Cerberus Network.”That sounds big; The Ballad of Gay Tony[/i] big. The only thing that confuses me is why Microsoft is conducting the quiz when EA publishes the game. We’ll keep you updated as more develops on this story.

http://scrawlfx.com/...n-expansion-dlc


-Polite

Modifié par PoliteAssasin, 04 juillet 2010 - 11:41 .

[LPPrince]

PoliteAssasin wrote...

When asked specifically if they'd consider a full expansion akin to Grand Theft Auto IV's The Ballad of Gay Tony, Cho said, "I think so. It depends on the scale. The price range I think is really important so that we can give players good value for their money, I think that's really important. I think we see publishers and developers on one side unfairly price things."

http://www.cinemable...ible-21810.html

-Polite

Keywords?

"Think" and "Consider". Again, no guarantee.

Speaking of which, I was just asked via PM whether I'd even want an expansion.

Answer- It depends. I want ME3 to take place right after 2, or a week or so later. You know, soon.

If the expansion takes place after the game ends, its gonna put a damper on that. In that case, no, I wouldn't want one.

Modifié par LPPrince, 04 juillet 2010 - 11:40 .

[Jaron Oberyn]

LPPrince wrote...

PoliteAssasin wrote...

When asked specifically if they'd consider a full expansion akin to Grand Theft Auto IV's The Ballad of Gay Tony, Cho said, "I think so. It depends on the scale. The price range I think is really important so that we can give players good value for their money, I think that's really important. I think we see publishers and developers on one side unfairly price things."

http://www.cinemable...ible-21810.html

-Polite

Keywords?

"Think" and "Consider". Again, no guarantee.

Speaking of which, I was just asked via PM whether I'd even want an expansion.

Answer- It depends. I want ME3 to take place right after 2, or a week or so later. You know, soon.

If the expansion takes place after the game ends, its gonna put a damper on that. In that case, no, I wouldn't want one.

Read the second source i put in my last post. Just updated it. And in regards to your comment, who cares if you don't want an expansion? Does your desire matter? No.

 -Polite

[LPPrince]

I'm not saying my desire matters. I just answered a question publicly. Christ, relax.

[Jaron Oberyn]

LPPrince wrote...

I'm not saying my desire matters. I just answered a question publicly. Christ, relax.

No response to the second source? And I'm perfectly relaxed by the way. 

 -Polite

[LPPrince]

The source just links to the quotes you posted earlier. Doesn't really make a difference besides the fact that you're overlooking key words such as-



1. Probably

2. Maybe

3. Possibly

4. Think

5. Consider



And none of the five share a definition with "is definitely going to happen".



Look, can we end this already? Its like talking to a brick wall for both of us.

[Jaron Oberyn]

The quiz link says that it "will". There are no indications of doubt in there.



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According to a recent Microsoft Expert Zone quiz, Mass Effect 2[/i] will be getting downloadable content bigger than the first has ever dreamed of receiving. This includes downloadable characters, combat content and even full episodic content.The Expert Zone quiz says Mass Effect 2[/i] will have “planned episodic combat via DLC,” new weapons, armor and characters for the “campaign experience,” new downloadable worlds, and “full campaign expansions for download.”Also mentioned in the quiz, the game will have “periodic updates” via the in-game “Cerberus Network.”That sounds big; The Ballad of Gay Tony[/i] big. The only thing that confuses me is why Microsoft is conducting the quiz when EA publishes the game. We’ll keep you updated as more develops on this story.



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I just want to know what your response is to this particular source.



-Polite

[LPPrince]

PoliteAssasin wrote...

The quiz link says that it "will". There are no indications of doubt in there.

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According to a recent Microsoft Expert Zone quiz, Mass Effect 2[/i] will be getting downloadable content bigger than the first has ever dreamed of receiving. This includes downloadable characters, combat content and even full episodic content.The Expert Zone quiz says Mass Effect 2[/i] will have “planned episodic combat via DLC,” new weapons, armor and characters for the “campaign experience,” new downloadable worlds, and “full campaign expansions for download.”Also mentioned in the quiz, the game will have “periodic updates” via the in-game “Cerberus Network.”That sounds big; The Ballad of Gay Tony[/i] big. The only thing that confuses me is why Microsoft is conducting the quiz when EA publishes the game. We’ll keep you updated as more develops on this story.

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I just want to know what your response is to this particular source.

-Polite

Keyword=Sounds.

As in it sounds like we're gonna get the big expansions like Awakening.

Sounds like.

As for "will", this came from MICROSOFT.

MS? Really? EA publishes the game, Bioware makes the game, Microsoft......made an exclusivity deal.

Alrighty, who's word am I taking? Bioware first, EA second, and hell, I'd take Valve's word before Microsoft in this regard.

(Sarcasm on the Valve part)

[Ashira Shepard]

Shavon wrote...

javierabegazo wrote...

Hey now, they didn't announce anything yet. But don't you think they'd want to wait till it's almost finished to announce anything at all? That's been the recent trend with BioWare lately

Uh, is there actually an official expansion announcement somewhere?

No. But if you squint your eyes, turn your head to the side, and ingest copious ammounts of doritos and mountain dew, your resulting psionic powers will make it appear.

[Ecael]

Shavon wrote...

javierabegazo wrote...

Hey now, they didn't announce anything yet. But don't you think they'd want to wait till it's almost finished to announce anything at all? That's been the recent trend with BioWare lately

Uh, is there actually an official expansion announcement somewhere?

We don't know whether Javier's post is speculation or an unofficial announcement. If an expansion is officially announced in the future, then he could simply say:



And we'd assume that it was an announcement after all...

Modifié par Ecael, 05 juillet 2010 - 12:54 .

[llinsane1ll]

I saw after 2 weeks of being released, God of War 3 went to $49.99 and I have yet to play after the 1st stage, and it's still a sick game.

[Jaron Oberyn]

LPPrince wrote...

PoliteAssasin wrote...

The quiz link says that it "will". There are no indications of doubt in there.

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According to a recent Microsoft Expert Zone quiz, Mass Effect 2[/i] will be getting downloadable content bigger than the first has ever dreamed of receiving. This includes downloadable characters, combat content and even full episodic content.The Expert Zone quiz says Mass Effect 2[/i] will have “planned episodic combat via DLC,” new weapons, armor and characters for the “campaign experience,” new downloadable worlds, and “full campaign expansions for download.”Also mentioned in the quiz, the game will have “periodic updates” via the in-game “Cerberus Network.”That sounds big; The Ballad of Gay Tony[/i] big. The only thing that confuses me is why Microsoft is conducting the quiz when EA publishes the game. We’ll keep you updated as more develops on this story.

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I just want to know what your response is to this particular source.

-Polite

Keyword=Sounds.

As in it sounds like we're gonna get the big expansions like Awakening.

Sounds like.

As for "will", this came from MICROSOFT.

MS? Really? EA publishes the game, Bioware makes the game, Microsoft......made an exclusivity deal.

Alrighty, who's word am I taking? Bioware first, EA second, and hell, I'd take Valve's word before Microsoft in this regard.

(Sarcasm on the Valve part)

That "sounds" was them commenting on it. The information from M$ was quoted. So what now?

 -Polite