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[ShinsFortress]

qwerty1234567 wrote...

@Surango & The Masked Rog: I've tested stealing numerous times with and without DLC and mods, starting with an empty inventory and I still get random items/money (either or) with each successful attempt. And for the sound problems, mine has only cut out once during dialogue but it wasn't due to the game, just a bad speaker. i really need new speakers.. *grumble grumble...*

If you're playing 1.03, then you're one of only two people I have ever heard of who has Stealing working well.  Assuming that there's no bs in those two reports, it's not good either way.  Too many people *do* have problems with issues like this.

[night0205]

I understand that a lot of it has to do with the game code. However, I don't think having a newer computer or a more powerful computer necessarily will work better then an older one. The game runs differently on different systems... right? Therefore, different systems have different problems from the game... whether it's from the game code or from the drivers themselves, the game may crash on one computer more then another. Therefore, the actual system being used does play a part. I was thinking of something however... with mods and maybe DLC... and maybe on top of that patches. With such a complex game as dragon age, which has so many different options and changes happening all the time... It seems like a very easy thing to create more bugs when uploading patches, DLC, and mods. Especially a mod someone else created, because you have no idea what they changed. Do you guys think that using some of these mods may be indirectly causing some of these bugs/errors to occur? Whether they be story bugs, or actual crashes. I haven't used any mods; only patches, DLC, and expansion. Bugs are very rare and crashes are even more rare for me.

[MaxQuartiroli]

My game is mod free. too.. for the reason you named here. They are fun, and most of them are really useful but no one can ensure me they don't break something in the game, therefore I don't use them

Anyway I didn't hear that the "official" bugs addessed and acknowledged by Bioware are caused by mod... The worst thing thay can do is add some and different bugs to the existing one.. For example I heard of a mod for Origins, I don't remember the name, which put "invisible walls" into Awakening breaking the game..

And honestly I don't think that BW would ever spend time for fixing the game broken by unofficial content, therefore, the bugs they are going to fix in these days aren't caused by mods...
My actual crashes are due by sounds issue, introduced by 1.03... all I can do is to cross my fingers and hope that 1.04 will fix them...and meanwhile playing with sound effects disabled

Modifié par MaxQuartiroli, 05 juillet 2010 - 08:55 .

[Branji]

To those who have a PC:



Whether or not you are having problems, do what one poster said a little while back: post what processor and video card you have. There may be a pattern as to which machines see more bugs.



@night0205: quit being stupid. A patch can fix a program (game or otherwise) that is working poorly or not at all. The patch corrects faulty programming code. Also, telling those who have problems (those like me who have a console) to go "buy a machine that than play the game" is saying something that is rude and frankly is stupid. We can't use player mods as temporary workarounds. We need an official patch.





@Abriael_CG: As much as I hate EA and even though I hate how poorly Bioware has handled this situation (search for my earlier posts), and even though I understand your frustration (once again, search for my earlier posts), you have reached the point where you seem to be arguing for the sake of arguing. To you and for those who are doing the same thing, be nice or:



SHUT THE HELL UP !!!!



Even I am tired of this and that's saying something.

[switzki]

MacrossMan wrote...
Well I have been holding off buying any DLC since RTO until a patch is released. What is another couple of weeks.

I stopped at Warden's Keep, myself. The success and scope of the 1.04 patch will determine whether I buy any more DA content.

[The Masked Rog]

If you don't notice or don't care, it's your problem. Some people enjoy being fed low-quality products, but it doesn't make the game less broken.

Strange, I don't see any low-quality product here. What I see is a deep and engrossing story-driven RPG which has some light (yes, light) problems, to which the developers already released 3 patches (how many games get 3 patches? Guess I can count them with my fingers) and are working on a fourth.

[Doozerpindan]

The Masked Rog wrote...

If you don't notice or don't care, it's your problem. Some people enjoy being fed low-quality products, but it doesn't make the game less broken.

Strange, I don't see any low-quality product here. What I see is a deep and engrossing story-driven RPG which has some light (yes, light) problems, to which the developers already released 3 patches (how many games get 3 patches? Guess I can count them with my fingers) and are working on a fourth.

QFT.

Yeah, I'll freely admit the game has some damned annoying bugs, but they are avoidable. I played through DA the first time and only triggered a couple of graphical bugs (one in Orzammar and one at Lake Calenhad). I was able to complete the game, so it's not as if the bugs are preventing that.

Flying off the handle the way people are doing is hardly going to inspire the devs to keep fixing bugs, if it were me I'd be pretty inclined to say to hell with you lot and stop if it was me getting the kind of abuse you give them.

[Surango]

qwerty1234567 wrote...

@Surango & The Masked Rog: I've tested stealing numerous times with and without DLC and mods, starting with an empty inventory and I still get random items/money (either or) with each successful attempt. And for the sound problems, mine has only cut out once during dialogue but it wasn't due to the game, just a bad speaker. i really need new speakers.. *grumble grumble...*

As have I, starting off as a dwarf commoner a lot of times. My first poke at the tool set was to revert stealing back to 1.02a's scripts. Didn't delve into it like Nukenin or Qwinn, but at least it's fuctional. I've tested the audio cut outs three different ways: with cheapy speakers my computer came with, headphones, and with a 2.1 home theater system. All have the same outcome. The worst offending area for me is the mage origin.


edit: @ Branji:

Exactly. Take the Witcher, for example. Out of the box, the enhanced version has a driver incompatibility with win7 and wouldn't go past the launcher(think it was the DRM or something) but have now patched the game to work with an OS that wasn't even around at the time.

Modifié par Surango, 05 juillet 2010 - 11:46 .

[Abriael_CG]

The Masked Rog wrote...
Strange, I don't see any low-quality product here. What I see is a deep and engrossing story-driven RPG which has some light (yes, light) problems, to which the developers already released 3 patches (how many games get 3 patches? Guess I can count them with my fingers) and are working on a fourth.

If you can count on your fingers the games that get three or more patches in 8 months, then your gaming tastes need to be broadened, because there are plenty. Also, three patches that did what? besides breaking the game further? It's pretty obvious that not enough development and testing resources have been dedicated to those patches. As a result, they were sloppy. When you have three people in a basement to work on things, things tend to go wrong.
How many games can you count on your finger with a sizable part of their customerbase that after eight months still aren't able to play the game decently?

"What I see is a deep and engrossing story-driven RPG" The story of which is broken in many parts. 

" which has some light (yes, light) problems": either your blind and deaf, or simply malicious. You chose. There's no way that the problems from which Dragon Age suffers can be honestly defined anywhere near "light".

doozerpindan wrote...
Yeah, I'll freely admit the game has some damned annoying bugs, but they are avoidable. I played through DA
the first time and only triggered a couple of graphical bugs (one in Orzammar and one at Lake Calenhad). I was able to complete the game, so it's not as if the bugs are preventing that.

The fact you can "avoid" SOME of the bugs by turning the game almost in a linear adventure (being forced to chose the unbugged choices), doesn't make the bugs any less serious.

Flying off the handle the way people are doing is hardly going to inspire the devs to keep fixing bugs, if it were me I'd be pretty inclined to say to hell with you lot and stop if it was me getting the kind of abuse you give them.

With the sloppy job they did, they should be really thankful that we're still here to give them a chance to make it up for it, and possibly persuade us to buy their upcoming prodicts despite the problems this one caused. I'm quite sure that many people don't even bother coming, and from Dragon Age on simply associate the "bioware" brand with "pass". There are other players in the market that can satisfy their RPG needs anyway.
It's not the customer's duty to be nice. The customer's duty is to enjoy a product he paid for. It's quite obvious that many still can't, in large part because Bioware was too busy slapping out DLCs instead of solving the major problems in a timely fashion.

I'll give you an example. The problems with 1.3 and Awakenings  have  been exposed by the players less than one day after the patch was released. And  the players aren't QA professionals or testers, they're simple users. If it took people less than a single day to  spot the major faults of the patch, what does that tell you about the resources Bioware actually used to test it?

With the RTO absolute debacle Bioware promised and promised again that they would have revolutioned their testing in order to make the quality asssurance foolproof, in order to encourage us to be patient.
We waited and got patient. The result that came from that was 1.3, a patch that broke more than what it solved.
Are you really serious when you tell me that you're suprised that people react negatively? being led by the nose is never pleasant.

Modifié par Abriael_CG, 05 juillet 2010 - 01:24 .

[Doozerpindan]

Nothing wrong with being upset, I was more than a little annoyed when I lost a save game after I'd gotten most of the way through the game without a single injury, but I didn't type posts full of abuse directed at the devs or anybody else, I just added my complaint to the thread in the 360 tech support section.



My point is that a negative reaction is one thing, and understandable in this instance, but people are getting outright abusive and that's not alright. We don't know why this or that was broken, or wasn't fixed, we don't know who's pulling what strings to make this or that happen or not happen. It might not be the devs fault, perhaps they simply haven't been allotted the time they require to test the patches properly? Who knows.

[The Masked Rog]

your blind and deaf, or simply malicious.

I don't think I fit any of these descriptions actually. Where'd you get that from?

[-Zippi-]

I don't understand why somebody keeps telling that the game works good enough. Why don't you want it fixed?



Read the description in qwinns fixpack and the openingpost in this thread. There are a lot of serious code errors in every copy of this game, and they are fixing them now. If you havent triggered these bugs in the game it is luck only.



The only bug that it looks like not everyone is have is the crashing, but also this is a problem with the game. And they are fixing it now - read the opening post:

"• Resolved a number of memory leaks that were causing crashes and increases load times."

[Apex Sammoth]

night0205 wrote...

Do we have different games or something? I play on a PC, and It works fine. Hence... the game that was released to me, and the patches that I installed, and the DLC that I have bought, and the Expansion that I also spent money on, all works fine. Is it perfect? No, there have been very few crashes because of the 1.03 patch... The game is not broken for me, so obviously it has something to do with either your PC or the consoles, sense I don't play on them. My advice, if this game is soooo important to you, go buy a computer that can run it. Unless, I got some magical version of the game that no one else got. Unlikely.

First Off I am not going down this road again with people who assume that every computer runs exactly the same. different components, OS, and not to mention conflicting software or drivers. The fact is people who are complain about this are the people that have checked everything on there PC "AKA Up To Date Drivers Etc". I know for a FACT that my rig is more than capable to run this game. I can Run Crysis with NO ISSUES on Very High. A bit slower  Frames on Ultra.  So obviously you are wrong so quit assuming your game work on your system so it should work on everyone else’s rig.

[The Masked Rog]

I want the game fixed. I don't understand why everyone keeps saying that it is unplayable when it isn't. Most issues don't ruin the gameplay. Right, the wrong character is recognized as king. Does that ruin 50+ hours of game. It doesn't!

[Apex Sammoth]

Feraele wrote...

Apex Sammoth wrote...

Feraele wrote...

Thajocoth wrote...

I know I'm sounding like a broken record here, but the memory leak issues you mention being fixed... Does this mean that the delayed death bug is fixed? As a game coder myself, I suspected that to be a memory leak the moment I saw it.

Abriael_CG wrote...

I'll jusyt say that the lack of an at least tentative timeframe for release...

While I agree with you about releasing DLC before the core game's out of beta, I disagree about a timeframe.  Once they say a date, that date is set, and only what they can fix by then will be fixed.  By not stating a date, they're able to fix as much as possible.  Stating a date would mean that we get less.

I have to agree with you.   Some folks are never happy however, even when they know fixes are being made...they want it done FASTER, just because.

Patience,  you guys, there seems to be a lonnnnnng list of bugs they are addressing,  lets allow Bioware to do that, and stop criticizing how long its taking.   You aren't behind the scenes, you aren't dealing with the problems, you also don't have to deal with the certification processes with Microsoft and Sony.  

It all takes time.    Thats the gist of it.

"Patience"  I think many of us have been more than Patient with Bioware / EA with fixes to this game. Keep in mind I been waiting since release in Nov 2009- It is now July 2010. I have been waiting patiently though numerous DLC, 2 bad Patches, and 1 Expansion. I haven't purchased any DLC since Wardens Keep because of the constant crashes on the PC. I think We have every Right to Criticize how long it is taking. Seeming they put more effort into release more content than putting more time and resources into fixing the core game. It has Taken Too long to begin with. Sorry, I don't buy into the we are not behind the scenes crap its been 9 months with these same issues. NO Excuses. 

Continue nagging then,  its not going to get done any faster no matter what you think.     As I stated before it takes time,   I play on PC too, I don't have the problems you do ..it seems like,  because I have played every dlc, and the expansion.    I've created 23 characters and not had to stop playing due to the game being "unplayable" or whatever.

I am working with a four year old core duo machine.     Not top of the line, not all the bells and whistles that some folks can afford.     I have been playing since November 3rd.     Patch 1.03 fixed "some" of the slow loading problem with my AMD machine.      I encounter bugs, yes,   alot of times I can exit out, or reload and the bug goes away. 

Played alot of games, seen alot of bugs and glitches.   Yelling at the people who do the fixes will not get the fixes done any faster, because you think that works.  It doesn't work.     Yelling at people ends in...them closing their ears to you.    

This is why I am advocating patience....yes MORE patience.   At least NOW, the fixes are in the works.    You're going to have to be satisfied with that until the patch is finally released whenever that is.

And frankly after 23 characters,  any fixes that "might" be beneficial for my machine and game,  are just about too late,  I am not sure if I care to create a couple more just to experience what the game would be like without having to do workarounds and reloads.

At any rate.....on with the beeching.

And Telling people that they should not voice there opnion about the timely manner that Bioware has spent putting out fixes for this game. I say let them voice it they are a paying customer just like you.

[badboy64]

I never had any problem with getting Anders,Velana or even Sigrins quests to complete or start and never has this 100% approval rating problem at all with any of the Awakening characters either. I never encountered the stealing problem either. Sure my system CTD but mainly due to my overclocking over my system but I just adjust the timing, voltages and so in bios to help stabalize it.

[badboy64]

Apex Sammoth wrote...

night0205 wrote...

Do we have different games or something? I play on a PC, and It works fine. Hence... the game that was released to me, and the patches that I installed, and the DLC that I have bought, and the Expansion that I also spent money on, all works fine. Is it perfect? No, there have been very few crashes because of the 1.03 patch... The game is not broken for me, so obviously it has something to do with either your PC or the consoles, sense I don't play on them. My advice, if this game is soooo important to you, go buy a computer that can run it. Unless, I got some magical version of the game that no one else got. Unlikely.

First Off I am not going down this road again with people who assume that every computer runs exactly the same. different components, OS, and not to mention conflicting software or drivers. The fact is people who are complain about this are the people that have checked everything on there PC "AKA Up To Date Drivers Etc". I know for a FACT that my rig is more than capable to run this game. I can Run Crysis with NO ISSUES on Very High. A bit slower  Frames on Ultra.  So obviously you are wrong so quit assuming your game work on your system so it should work on everyone else’s rig.

What are the specs or your system? Mine are below but I am adding another GTX 480 to the mix tomorrow. So what is your FPS in Crisis and resolution plus setting in the control panel.

[Elhanan]

I look forward to the Stealing fix, as I have not used this skill to the fullest potential. I wish to aquire some of the rare treasures available to those with the invested Skill, and hit some of the legendary marks in the game such as Duncan.

Q: Does Mana Clash have anything reported to do with crashes? It may be nothing, but I seem to have more dropped games with this spell in play. Perhaps it simply has to do with the high number of sustained abilities that are used with a Mage; clueless.

Thanks for posting the updates!

[Apex Sammoth]

badboy64 wrote...

Apex Sammoth wrote...

night0205 wrote...

Do we have different games or something? I play on a PC, and It works fine. Hence... the game that was released to me, and the patches that I installed, and the DLC that I have bought, and the Expansion that I also spent money on, all works fine. Is it perfect? No, there have been very few crashes because of the 1.03 patch... The game is not broken for me, so obviously it has something to do with either your PC or the consoles, sense I don't play on them. My advice, if this game is soooo important to you, go buy a computer that can run it. Unless, I got some magical version of the game that no one else got. Unlikely.

First Off I am not going down this road again with people who assume that every computer runs exactly the same. different components, OS, and not to mention conflicting software or drivers. The fact is people who are complain about this are the people that have checked everything on there PC "AKA Up To Date Drivers Etc". I know for a FACT that my rig is more than capable to run this game. I can Run Crysis with NO ISSUES on Very High. A bit slower  Frames on Ultra.  So obviously you are wrong so quit assuming your game work on your system so it should work on everyone else’s rig.

What are the specs or your system? Mine are below but I am adding another GTX 480 to the mix tomorrow. So what is your FPS in Crisis and resolution plus setting in the control panel.

1680-1050 Rez

I get 60-70 fps on Very High

AMD Athlon™ 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 4600
NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GTX 768 mb
Microsoft Windows 7 Ultimate
4 Gig of mem

Everything is very well kept and up to date. No heat problems etc.
Why would your GTX 480 be under spec. ?

Requiered is Geforce 6600 GT 128mb and Recommended is 8800GTS 512 MB or better

Modifié par Apex Sammoth, 05 juillet 2010 - 03:15 .

[Zy-El]

Most of the CTD to do with spells are audio-related. I've read somewhere that some players have muted the game-effects audio and were able to avoid this bug. I've run into it a few times as well, too much audio effects happening at once can cause the CTD.

And for those PC players who have avoided some of the scripting errors (ie all the quests showing up) this is a result of doing things in a certain order or avoiding other quests. There is some magical sequence of activities you can do that will navigate you through Awakening properly. There are some clues as to how to avoid the +100 approval bug (ie do not do the Blight Orphans quests) - I've only done them once and that was enough for me.

[MaxQuartiroli]

Right, the wrong character is recognized as king. Does that ruin 50+ hours of game. It doesn't!

Sorry but for me it does.. I play RPG games mainly for the story.

I really won't mind too much I have to suffer 100 crashes to finish it, I managed to finish The Witcher with that terrible Aurora Engine's constantly crashing... but I want my story without any inconsintency... If I wouldn't mind about the story I'll go play a racing game or Pro Evolution Soccer....

Planescape Torment is one of the most bugged game of the history... and it was fixed only thanks to unoffical patches.. Despite of it it remains the greatest RPG of all time with the greatest story ever...and I always dealt with its bugs, cause none of them was story-related

Every player just "live" his game in the way he feels... depending on his own tastes...

Modifié par MaxQuartiroli, 05 juillet 2010 - 03:42 .

[Zy-El]

Well . . . this bug with the wrong King carrying over to Awakening has been fixed as part of patch 1.04. The end-of-game flags were being reset when the character was imported into Awakening.

I know there are bugs also in the Origins game with regards to who is King. I've installed Qwinn's fixpatch version 2.0 and it corrects a lot of these bugs. Qwinn himself got help from other modders who had worked extensively to correct the dialogue and relationship bugs in the game. I've seen new dialogue that I'd never seen in previous playthroughs. I'd highly reccommend getting it installed, if you can.