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[MaxQuartiroli]

Zy-El wrote...

Well . . . this bug with the wrong King carrying over to Awakening has been fixed as part of patch 1.04. The end-of-game flags were being reset when the character was imported into Awakening.

If I would be selfish I could say they have already addressed as "fixed" all that I wanted in Awakening...

With the personal quests of companions fixed, the approval bug fixed, and the letters from Origin companions triggering I am happy.. They could release the patch tomorrow for me, but I cannot negate there are many other problems for others users they have still to fix therefore I can do anything but waiting, for be finally able to play a polish playtrough in Awakening...

And I also wish to all Morrigan's lovers they will also fix the problem of the broken Morrigan's final in Awakening.. considering I haven't still saw it addressed in the list of solved issues...

[1079036]

Uninstalled the game last month, reinstalling it now to get ready for the new patch.
I did not encounter any significant bugs during Awakening.
Only the minor ones like the incorrect damage/attack rating registered at the character sheet.
I was surprised the see many people had problems with Awakening, since I had almost none.

Modifié par 1079036, 05 juillet 2010 - 04:10 .

[Abriael_CG]

The Masked Rog wrote...

I want the game fixed. I don't understand why everyone keeps saying that it is unplayable when it isn't. Most issues don't ruin the gameplay. Right, the wrong character is recognized as king. Does that ruin 50+ hours of game. It doesn't!

"I doesn't ruin the game!!! I can't hear you!!! The game is great! Lalalalala!!! I'm right and you're wrong!!!"

I wonder if you even read what you write.

This is a story driven game, the wrong character being king, besides being a proof of extremely sloppy coding and testing, is a very serious issue, it completely changes the outcome of the story, and makes several choices made by the player completely void.
If you don't get how serious this is in a story-driven game, then there's no discussion here. You simply don't get it.

The game is about the story, not just about bashing darkspawn in the head. If the story doesn't work correctly, the game's broken. It's that simple.

Modifié par Abriael_CG, 05 juillet 2010 - 04:27 .

[The Masked Rog]

For you. For me it could be an annoyance yes, but it wouldn't throw away the rest of the great story. "the game's broken" means it is completely unusable, which simply isn't true. It is still a very enjoyable game, which has some bugs.

[Abriael_CG]

The Masked Rog wrote...

For you. For me it could be an annoyance yes, but it wouldn't throw away the rest of the great story. "the game's broken" means it is completely unusable, which simply isn't true. It is still a very enjoyable game, which has some bugs.

No, "the game is broken" means that it's not working correctly on MANY PRIMARY aspects because of sloppy coding, sloppy testing, screwed up patching priorities and simply unforgivable lack of professionalism.

If in an RPG the story isn't a primary feature, I wouldn't know what would be.

It's not "SOME" bugs, it's a TRUCKLOAD of bugs. your choice of terms is getting more and more hilarious as you try so desperately to downplay the problems people are having, and you don't even get that the more you do that, the more you look like a fanboy that plugs his ears and screams not to hear that the game he worships has tons of issues.

Modifié par Abriael_CG, 05 juillet 2010 - 04:28 .

[The Masked Rog]

Stop labelling everybody who opposes you as a fanboy. It makes you look childish and repetitive.



Second, the story doesn't boil down to who is king. I keep coming back to this game because of its story. An excellent story. It has some bugs, yes, but it isn't ruined. That's my point. The game's story is mostly perfect, with a few bugs with the ending which for me don''t ruin everything that is behind the epilogue.

[Abriael_CG]

The Masked Rog wrote...

Stop labelling everybody who opposes you as a fanboy. It makes you look childish and repetitive.

Second, the story doesn't boil down to who is king. I keep coming back to this game because of its story. An excellent story. It has some bugs, yes, but it isn't ruined. That's my point. The game's story is mostly perfect, with a few bugs with the ending which for me don''t ruin everything that is behind the epilogue.

"mostly perfect" "some" bugs, "a few" bugs. You seriously don't even notice how desperately you try to downplay the MANY problems this game has.
The story doesn't boil down to who is king? Really? Then why the most crucial part of the story (where  half of the choices of the game lead to) is the landsmeet? What is the landsmeet for if not to select the new king? 

Too bad that for many people, depending of ththeir choices, that whole part of the story is completely voiced. And you seriously come saying it's "Mostly perfect" to our face? 
Seriously, don't be surprised if you're defined a fanboy, because you're a by the book case.

[Stanley Woo]

Let's all please remember to keep the discussion and our disagreements civil. there is no need for name-calling or insults.



And Abriael_CG, while you are entitled to your opinion, by this point in the discussion we are all painfuly aware of what your issues are. There is no longer any need for you to repeat them ad nauseam in your high-handed tone of sensationalist hyperbole. Repeating your arguments loudly and often does not make your opinions more correct or valid. If you cannot argue your position without the terms "fanboy," "professionalism," "sloppy," or "paying customer," I'm afraid I will have to start editing or removing your posts as spam.



this is not, as you might think, to stifle any and all criticism of our company, our games, and our processes, but to keep the discussion on-topic and moving along. continuing to dwell on the same comments and ideas over and over, especially in your rather confrontational tone, is counter-productive to the purpose behind our communication in these update threads.



As usual, if anyone has any questions or concerns regarding our community or this message, please let me know. Thank youl

[The Masked Rog]

Okay, so only the landsmeet matters? When Iread a book, I don't cut straight to the end. If a book is good but the end is sloppy, it doesn't make it a bad book. It takes someting away from it, sure, but what matters most is the way, not the destination (the ending).

Seriously, don't be surprised if you're defined a fanboy, because you're a by the book case.

I am not. Don't keep repeating it please.

[ladydesire]

Abriael_CG wrote...

The Masked Rog wrote...

For you. For me it could be an annoyance yes, but it wouldn't throw away the rest of the great story. "the game's broken" means it is completely unusable, which simply isn't true. It is still a very enjoyable game, which has some bugs.

No, "the game is broken" means that it's not working correctly on MANY PRIMARY aspects because of sloppy coding, sloppy testing, screwed up patching priorities and simply unforgivable lack of professionalism.

About the only thing here I would agree with is the sloppy testing, but even then are you sure that it is entirely Bioware's fault? I fail to understand why you don't understand that when a publisher pushes to release on schedule even if the developer says it isn't ready, it's solely the developer's fault. Also, are you accusing Cryptic Studios/Paragon Studios of a lack of professionalism since I know of at least one issue that they kept quite about the fix for until they were sure that they actually had it fixed.

If in an RPG the story isn't a primary feature, I wouldn't know what would be.

I agree, but apparently not everyone does.

It's not "SOME" bugs, it's a TRUCKLOAD of bugs. your choice of terms is getting more and more hilarious as you try so desperately to downplay the problems people are having, and you don't even get that the more you do that, the more you look like a fanboy that plugs his ears and screams not to hear that the game he worships has tons of issues.

I haven't experienced too many issues myself, but I won't deny that others have had serious problems.

[Abriael_CG]

ladydesire wrote...
About the only thing here I would agree with is the sloppy testing, but even then are you sure that it is entirely Bioware's fault? I fail to understand why you don't understand that when a publisher pushes to release on schedule even if the developer says it isn't ready, it's solely the developer's fault. Also, are you accusing Cryptic Studios/Paragon Studios of a lack of professionalism since I know of at least one issue that they kept quite about the fix for until they were sure that they actually had it fixed.

"it's always the publisher's fault" is a very convenient excuse. There's a couple problems with it though.

-EA releases quite a lot of games that don't have issues nearly as serious as this one. And when serious issues exist, they are patched quite briefly.
-I've been a Bioware customer for a long, long time. Anyone that played Bioware games since the time of Baldur's Gate knows that this kind of issues are nothing new, many of the issues of BG1 and 2 were never patched, and were fixed just through the intervention of fans of the games. The same can be said about Kotor.
It's not something that started to happen just after EA bought Bioware, so I would say that shifting all the responsibility on EA is a quite farfetched theory.

It's not always "the suits' fault". EA isn't necessarily the evil emperor crushing the weak innocent developer. Sure, thinking like that is a nice and convenient excuse, but I would say quite far from reality.

The Masked Rog wrote...

Okay, so only the landsmeet matters? When Iread a book, I don't cut straight to the end. If a book is good but the end is sloppy, it doesn't make it a bad book. It takes someting away from it, sure, but what matters most is the way, not the destination (the ending).

"only?" It's a crucial part of the story, it's where all the choices in the first 3/4 of the games lead to.

You seem to be entirely convinced that what doesn't matter to you shouldn't matter to anyone.

ladydesire wrote...

I haven't experienced too many issues
myself, but I won't deny that others have had serious problems.

And that's entirely fine. The problem isn't that some people (lucky fellows) don't have any issues, or have few, the problem is when some try their hardest to downplay the issues people are having. Like the frustration of having to deal with those issues alone wasn't enough.

@Stanley Woo: are you seriously telling me that talking about "professionalism" is a sensationalistic hyperbole? And here i was thinking that it's the very basic of any kind of service/business.
If it's not to stifle criticism, I wonder why your message is directed exclusively to me, and not as well to the ones that defend you guys, with the same (or often worse, i sure didn't Insult anyone, but some quite creative insults have been directed to me) confrontational tone, and repeating ad libitum the same concepts as well.

Modifié par Abriael_CG, 05 juillet 2010 - 05:20 .

[BrunoB1971]

Stanley Woo wrote...

Let's all please remember to keep the discussion and our disagreements civil. there is no need for name-calling or insults.

And Abriael_CG, while you are entitled to your opinion, by this point in the discussion we are all painfuly aware of what your issues are. There is no longer any need for you to repeat them ad nauseam in your high-handed tone of sensationalist hyperbole. Repeating your arguments loudly and often does not make your opinions more correct or valid. If you cannot argue your position without the terms "fanboy," "professionalism," "sloppy," or "paying customer," I'm afraid I will have to start editing or removing your posts as spam.

this is not, as you might think, to stifle any and all criticism of our company, our games, and our processes, but to keep the discussion on-topic and moving along. continuing to dwell on the same comments and ideas over and over, especially in your rather confrontational tone, is counter-productive to the purpose behind our communication in these update threads.

As usual, if anyone has any questions or concerns regarding our community or this message, please let me know. Thank youl

Thank You Stanley! 

[night0205]

People are completely misinterpreting what I was saying. I was talking to the people who said the game is broken because it doesn't run well on their computer, where the majority of computers run it just fine. These people said it's not the computer, it's the game, and yes I understand it is the game to a certain extent, but the problem is how the game runs on their computer. I fully understand that a patch can fix how a game runs on a computer, I was stating that if you are playing the game on a system that doesn't meet the requirements, then it's unlikely a patch will fix that. And for "requirements" I am referring to anything that gives this game trouble, including a sound card or a video card. There are some "cards" out there that have trouble with certain games, which may make the game "unplayable" while using it. Again, If your game runs on your computer for more then a couple minutes, I'm not even referring to you.

[The Masked Rog]

If it's not to stifle criticism, I wonder why your message is directed to me, and not as well to the ones that defend you guys, with the same (or often worse, i sure didn't Insult anyone, but some quite creative insults have been directed to me) confrontational tone, and repeating ad libitum the same concepts as well.

Funny thing is, I remember you throwing around labels like fanboy, deaf, blind, malicious as well as some remarks about my cognitive capabilities.



Moving on, and since I am using Qwin's fixes, how is the stealing working right now in vanilla Dragon Age? As I get it, the game outputs a message saying that stealing was successful but doesn't give any items? Or are you supposed to get items and money and the game is only giving either money or items?

[PSUHammer]

Abriael_CG wrote...

The Masked Rog wrote...

For you. For me it could be an annoyance yes, but it wouldn't throw away the rest of the great story. "the game's broken" means it is completely unusable, which simply isn't true. It is still a very enjoyable game, which has some bugs.

No, "the game is broken" means that it's not working correctly on MANY PRIMARY aspects because of sloppy coding, sloppy testing, screwed up patching priorities and simply unforgivable lack of professionalism.

If in an RPG the story isn't a primary feature, I wouldn't know what would be.

It's not "SOME" bugs, it's a TRUCKLOAD of bugs. your choice of terms is getting more and more hilarious as you try so desperately to downplay the problems people are having, and you don't even get that the more you do that, the more you look like a fanboy that plugs his ears and screams not to hear that the game he worships has tons of issues.

No offense, dude, but reading through your posts (and there
are a lot complaining), I get the impression that you are a master game
developer, marketer and producer.  Why don't you take all the knowledge
you obviously have about how to professionally design, support and market a
game and start a new development firm to create competition for Bioware. 
They are obviously unprofessional and would never be able to compete with
you.  Why not redirect some of that negative energy and do something
positive, like create some jobs or something.

Why don't we all try to add something to these discussions.  Am I a fanboy because I enjoy these games despite a few gameplay bugs?  Not really.  I just like the game.  Gees...

Modifié par Hammer6767, 05 juillet 2010 - 05:27 .

[Abriael_CG]

Hammer6767 wrote...
No offense, dude, but reading through your posts (and there are a lot complaining), I get the impression that you are a master game developer, marketer and producer.  Why don't you take all the knowledge you obviously have about how to professionally design, support and market a game and start a new development firm to create competition for Bioware. 
They are obviously unprofessional and would never be able to compete with you.  Why not redirect some of that negative energy and do something positive, like create some jobs or something.

I'll humor you, despite the obvious sarcasm. It's simply because I already have a satisfying Job. Why would I look for another?

I'm sorry but the "do it yourself or shut up" argument doesn't really work.
In the world there's providers and customers. I provide services in my job, and am a customers of others' services outside of my job, like everyone else.
Not "starting one's own firm to create competition" doesn't necessarily remove a paying customer's right to criticism.

Oh, and since writing it several times doesn't seem to be enough to get it through some thick skulls. I like the game as well. If I didn't like the game, I wouldn't care much about the sorry state it's in and I wouldn't waste my time complaining about the many gamebreaking issues it suffers from. I'd just shelve it and move on without looking back.

Wasted potential is worse than no potential at all.

Modifié par Abriael_CG, 05 juillet 2010 - 05:31 .

[Aratark]

I am a fortunate player, in that I have not noticed any game breaking/story derailing bugs in my playthroughs.

My personal suggestion would be, for those who can, if you have an issue with your product, return it. If you believe this product is not fit-for-purpose, then use your local consumer rights and get a refund for the game.

I follow this thread to get some idea of what is happening with regard to patches, and also to keep an eye on what bugs there are in game, to try and avoid hitting them. To see, week on week, the same names having the same arguments makes me despair.

I've played games that have been bug-ridden before, and my response falls into one of 2 categories depending on my cash outlay for the game. Shove it in a drawer and forget about it for low cash outlay games or return it for larger outlay games.

Expressing an opinion is fine, but please not at the expense of my sanity.

Edit: This is not the start of a flame war, this is someone trying to find a moments peace in a hectic day after working hard.

Modifié par Aratark, 05 juillet 2010 - 05:41 .

[Memmaatre]

Why am I reading all this nonsense instead of playing Awakening?

Could be because I need that /#¤())=/¤" patch to be able to play it, at all.

Ooops... I´m repeating myself - eleven days ago I wrote the same thing and first time I was noobish enough to think there would be a patch for Awakening was so long ago - that post must be locked by now :innocent:

Let´s wait and see if it´s necessary to "troll" this thread or do it in "Brief update XIII on..." 

- or if that 4 gigabyte patch is released in eleven days - or else I will....


repeat myself again :alien:mohaahahahahaha....

[night0205]

I'm curious Memmaatre? How exactly can you not play awakening? Honest question.

[mildmort]

@MaxQuartiroli
Thank you for mentioning Origins walls.
It bugs me the most, just personally of course..

I do understand Bioware tells story qwite beautiful. And demoniac.
Bioware could write all the day about odd web affairs never to be found answers, to satisfy its great demon.
But from out side, as it was, those answers could be just easy. I think.

Modifié par mildmort, 05 juillet 2010 - 06:06 .

[Abriael_CG]

qwerty1234567 wrote...
Neither does the "you're disagreeing with me so you are blind/deaf/dumb/fanboy blah blah blah professionalism blah blah blah" argument but you seem to think its a good one. either that or you just can't think of anything else to say (even tho your posts have been excessively long for no other reason than to use up thread space).

Looks like your only purpose in this thread, instead, is to post personal attacks directed to me. tedious, but whatever floats your boat, mate. Given the time you dedicate to me, I must entertain you quite a lot.

At least i bring arguments to the table.

Modifié par Abriael_CG, 05 juillet 2010 - 05:57 .

[Kelnuin]

OMG.....I have been playing a broken game, over and over, since I bought DAO last year. I wish someone had told me it was! 

Because a broken game is like a broken car, it won't work. Whereas a car with problems in it will generally get to the car repair shop, so a game with problems may run and get to the end.