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[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

Abriael_CG wrote...

Bryy_Miller wrote...
Wow. You are a colossus of a dick.

Bryy_Miller wrote...
You really need to take your raging indignation down a notch. Insulting people does not make them work harder.

Putting the two above quites together, I seem to be seeing quite a lot of hypocrisy.  :innocent:

Mind you, where did I insult anyone? As far as I recall "unprofessional" has never been defined an insult anywhere.
It sure isn't a pleasantry, but haiving to wait several months to play a game I paid for (without even knowing when the wait will end, IF it'll end) isn't exactly pleasant as well.

I repeat what I said earlier, if you were truly that peeved off, you would have done something about it by now, instead of proving how completely and utterly unprofessional YOU are by constantly making whiny posts like all of the ones you have done in the last hour and over the last few months.

If you are in Italy, then it will be 6.30am on Saturday 3rd July right now. If you are expecting Bioware to be working and responding to your constant pathetic rants at this time (I am assuming it is 10.30pm just gone in Edmonton), then it just proves what an imbecile you truly are.

[Abriael_CG]

Bryy_Miller wrote...

Calling you a dick does not also mean I'm indignatious. Indignatious of what? You seem to have a horrible concept of the meaning of words.

No, it means you are an hypocrite. First you insult someone quite evidently ("dick" is a clear cut insult).
Then you proceed to complain about a perceived "insult" (that actually isn't an insult).

Good job there.

[Darth_Trethon]

@Abriael_CG Good to see someone making some good arguments.......hahahaha just screwing you....you fail. Mythic was a meaningless little studio compared to BioWare. Most BioWare games had no issues whatsoever and even DAO which is the exception rather than the rule has very few serious problems(all of which are about to be fixed) on the consoles and the two Mass Effect games are nearly flawless(with exception of PC version of ME1 which took ages to fix) but beyond that everything else has always been effectively flawless. Has it occurred to you that the reason that they are now having some issues is because their best people are working on TOR? Beyond that when it comes to sales, good games and everything else even slightly worth mentioning BioWare stomped and continues to stomp everything Mythic ever did every single day.

[Bryy_Miller]

Abriael_CG wrote...

Bryy_Miller wrote...

Calling you a dick does not also mean I'm indignatious. Indignatious of what? You seem to have a horrible concept of the meaning of words.

No, it means you are an hypocrite. First you insult someone quite evidently ("dick" is a clear cut insult).
Then you proceed to complain about a perceived "insult" (that actually isn't an insult).

Good job there.

You don't know what hypocrite means, do you? I never said that I was not insulting you, just that I was not a fanboy.

[Abriael_CG]

Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...
I repeat what I said earlier, if you were truly that peeved off, you would have done something about it by now, instead of proving how completely and utterly unprofessional YOU are by constantly making whiny posts like all of the ones you have done in the last hour and over the last few months.

You seem to be having a weird perception of the english language if you think a paying customer writing something in a forum about games has anything to do with "professionality" or lack of thereof.
I'd advise to resort to a good dictionary

I've already done something about it. I've ignored this forum for extended periods of time (you seem to have some perception disorder, since I came back just a couple days ago, and haven't written on the forum for a long of time, so much for  "costantly making whiny posts") while I was playing other things.

If you don't mind, I come check in once in a while to see if I can finally play the game I paid for, and express my displeasure as this dwrindling hope bashes against generic promises with zero results every single time. As a paying customer, that much is, I'm afraid, my right.

If you are in Italy, then it will be 6.30am on Saturday 3rd July right
now. If you are expecting Bioware to be working and responding to your
constant pathetic rants at this time (I am assuming it is 10.30pm just
gone in Edmonton), then it just proves what an imbecile you truly are.

I'm here because I worked until an hour or so ago, and I have to go out for  a presentation in less than 2 hours. If I went to sleep now, i'd be groggy then, and that's not exactly something I can afford in my line of business. I will sleep when I get home (not that this would be your business anyway, but I decided to humor you).

I'm not exactly worried about them being asleep or going to bed. My posts will still be here when they come back. Not that I expect a response, mind you.

Modifié par Abriael_CG, 03 juillet 2010 - 05:09 .

[Brockololly]

Abriael_CG wrote...

I wouldn't be so sure that things are as good as you say. If you look at the forums today, and at the forums just a few months ago, traffic has plummeted radically with debacle after debacle. First RTO, then the bugs major bugs in 1.3 and Awakenings (and the fact that they really couldn't understand what people wanted with Awakenings), then the long silence, and the "coming soon" when soon was never really "soon". So many just have given up on the game and have moved on.

Exactly- Find any single player RPG that keeps its web traffic up at launch levels when the game has been out for 8 months....oh, thats right, you won't. Maybe some people have gotten fed up with bugs and such but its more likely that its just an 8 month old single player game and people have moved on to other things. Nothing sinister...

Abriael_CG wrote...
Many of those people will remember when it's time to buy a new Bioware product, and for sure many of those will refuse to be early adopters (because Bioware demonstrated that their products cannot be seen as reliable just after release), waiting for price drops (which means less revenue), many others will just pass.
Sure, many will also "forgive and forget", but I'm quite sure that the extremely negative impression left with DA:O on so many users will be difficult to wash away.

Ummm... ok. No doubt Origins and especially Awakening have had issues and problems, and its entirely likely that will turn off some people from future DA games. But its not like Origins was completely broken for everyone.
I think its working just fine for the vast majority of people that have bought it.

Abriael_CG wrote...
At the very least, old Mark Jacobs had the guts to come to the forums and adress the problems himself. Have you ever seen Ray Muzyka or Greg Zeschuk show their faces here to even issue a couple lines of apology on how disastrous the situation of Dragon Age is? Nah, they send us a community manager to take the flak for them and trickle down half baked "news" that (like this time) aren't even actual news.

Why would Ray or Greg make weekly posts on the forums about patch updates?? I for one really appreciate Victor giving us some news on whats going on with DA, even if like this week there really isn't much news. What are you expecting? For Ray and Greg to come on the forum and beg forgiveness for releasing a pretty damn good game and offer you a free foot massage?  Again, DA has its fair share of issues but I don't think its quite as "disastrous" as you seem to think. 

Abriael_CG wrote...
Whatever will come on February the 1st, 2011, I'm almost ready to bet that it'll be largely overshadowed by The Witcher 2, at the very least on the PC market. And Bioware will have called it upon themselves.

How droll...

[Abriael_CG]

Darth_Trethon wrote...

@Abriael_CG Good to see someone making some good arguments.......hahahaha just screwing you....you fail. Mythic was a meaningless little studio compared to BioWare. Most BioWare games had no issues whatsoever and even DAO which is the exception rather than the rule has very few serious problems(all of which are about to be fixed) on the consoles and the two Mass Effect games are nearly flawless(with exception of PC version of ME1 which took ages to fix) but beyond that everything else has always been effectively flawless. Has it occurred to you that the reason that they are now having some issues is because their best people are working on TOR? Beyond that when it comes to sales, good games and everything else even slightly worth mentioning BioWare stomped and continues to stomp everything Mythic ever did every single day.

Spoken like a true fanboy. Bioware games never had issues? You must be rather young. Even Baldurs Gate 1 and 2 were ridden with bugs, some of which were never resolved (that makes me giggle, since some speculate that Dragon Age's current situation might be EA's fault, while back then the situation sure wasn't that easier) same can be said for KOTOR. Times just were easier for developers, as PC gaming back than was much less developed, and bugs were often overlooked or not even noticed by gamers that were user to patch games with rubber band to make them work.

The "best" people working on TOR? An interesting statement, given that TOR is developed by Bioware Austin, that has an entirely separate staff roster.
It's quite a lot more probable that the "best" people of the Dragon Age team are currently working on Dragon Age 2, since they insist on releasing it in early 2011 (which is already a quite horrid choice),  and games don't develop by themselves.

Brockololly wrote...
Exactly- Find any single player RPG that keeps its web traffic up at launch levels when the game has been out for 8 months....oh, thats right, you won't. Maybe some people have gotten fed up with bugs and such but its more likely that its just an 8 month old single player game and people have moved on to other things.

Considering that that RPG had a costant stream of content coming out for it (in the form of expansion/DLCs)?

Actually you might want to look at the communities for other single player PC rpgs. Sure, they shrink over time, but they retain a definitely heavy traffic much longer than 8 months or so.
hardcore PC RPG gamers, expecially when moddability is involved, don't give up on their favourite game anytime soon.
Even the modding community has unfortunately shrunk immensely as many, many of the modders simply went back to Oblivion.

Ummm... ok. No doubt Origins and especially Awakening have had issues and problems, and its entirely likely that will turn off some people from future DA games. But its not like Originswas completely broken for everyone.
I think its working just fine for the vast majority of people that have bought it.

Looking at the tech forum here (and at my own game crashing every 5 minutes when i'm lucky, withoput counting all the other issues), I would tend to disagree with this statement.

Why would Ray or Greg make weekly posts on the forums about patch updates?? I for one really appreciate Victor giving us some news on whats going on with DA, even if like this week there really isn't much news. What are you expecting? For Ray and Greg to come on the forum and beg forgiveness for releasing a pretty damn good game and offer you a free foot massage?  Again, DA has its fair share of issues but I don't think its quite as "disastrous" as you seem to think. 

No one asked for a "weekly" post. Even a single visit would be welcome, when things get pretty dire, it's time for community managers to step aside and for the people responsible to step in. That's what's defined "taking responsibility", it definitely wouldn't be the first time we see this in the gaming industry. Actually it's something very common with situations even less bad than this one.

How droll...[smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/joyful.png[/smilie]

You may think it droll, but the RPG i named is exactly one of those that you asked me to look for above. It retained it's traffic for a long time, despite it getting old (older than DA) and having been created by a newbie team.

Modifié par Abriael_CG, 03 juillet 2010 - 05:14 .

[Brockololly]

Abriael_CG wrote...

The "best" people working on TOR? An interesting statement, given that TOR is developed by Bioware Austin, that has an entirely separate staff roster.

Ummm.. no. Quite a few people that worked on DAO have been working on TOR. This I know for a fact. People move around in BioWare, they don't all stay on one thing all the time.

[Abriael_CG]

Brockololly wrote...
Ummm.. no. Quite a few people that worked on DAO have been working on TOR. This I know for a fact. People move around in BioWare, they don't all stay on one thing all the time.

I'm sure a few did. But unless they want to release a three levels flash game next year, I seriously doubt many of the "best" were shifted on TOR. We're six months away from Dragon Age 2 (unless it gets delayed like Dragon Age 1 did, of course, which at this rate I'm not sure would be a bad thing).

And even if the "best" were really moved on TOR, why would that give me more faith in their ability to handle something as complex as a MMORPG? They'd be the same "best" that delivered something as buggy and issue-ridden as Dragon Age. It's hardly a warranty of quality. Quite the contrary.

Modifié par Abriael_CG, 03 juillet 2010 - 05:03 .

[Abriael_CG]

qwerty1234567 wrote...

@Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien, Bryy_Miller, & Brockololly: try to please refrain from feeding the trolls. they are abundant enough on this site, no need to give them food.

I'm sure you had a lot of time to identify the "trolls" (you might seriously want to go check the meaning of the definition, by the way), in the 8 days you've been around.
You might want to register your games by the way. Someone might mistake you for a "troll". :innocent:

[Abriael_CG]

qwerty1234567 wrote...
Troll (as defined by dictionary.com): a person who posts outrageous message to bait people to answer. Forum Troll delights in sowing discord on the forums. A troll is someone who inspires flaming rhetoric, someone who is purposely provoking and pulling people into flaming discussion.

You forgot that trolls go to a forum exclusiverly for that purpose, while I've been on the Bioware forums for a very, very long time (and on the old ones much before this one was opened), and have been quite positive in my posting for several years.

If my posts have become more and more negative, Bioware has no one else to blame if not themselves  andthe shameful treatment they reserved to Dragon Age and to the many that bought it and after several months they still can't play it decently.

I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but a long time paying customer disgruntled for having been fed a faulty product that's not been fixed for months is very, very far from a troll.

Fanboys may not like what he has to say, but that hardly makes a troll.

Modifié par Abriael_CG, 03 juillet 2010 - 05:19 .

[night0205]

Abriael_CG wrote...

night0205 wrote...

Yeah, I can't really understand how you
feel, because my "product" works fine. The DLC's are understandable
because they make lots of extra money, and that is what business is all
about, and if you don't want them. It's a simple issue of not buying
them. Bioware really wants money now, considering all the companies that
are going under. Those who's games don't work, are between a rock and a
hard place, because Bioware technically doesn't legally have to fix any
of your games, because they already have your money and they are making
enough money on all the people who's games are working fine. Plus, they
are making millions of dollars on DLC's, which are a lot easier to
throw out then entire games, and as long as the majority of "fans' don't
boycott the game, they are doing good from a financial point of view.
Yes, it's unprofessional, and if that had a negative effect on the
majority of the public's view, then they would care, but Dragon Age is
seen as one of the greatest games this decade. The reality is, they
still do care, which is why they are putting effort towards it at all.
Most of their resources are obviously going towards The Old Republic,
DLC's for Dragon Age and Mass Effect 2, Dragon Age 2, & Mass Effect
3. The reality is, patching up Dragon Age is not their biggest priority.
I'm sorry for your pain, I hope you are able to play Dragon Age
soon.

I wouldn't be so sure that things are as good as you say. If you look at the forums today, and at the forums just a few months ago, traffic has plummeted radically with debacle after debacle. First RTO, then the bugs major bugs in 1.3 and Awakenings (and the fact that they really couldn't understand what people wanted with Awakenings), then the long silence, and the "coming soon" when soon was never really "soon". So many just have given up on the game and have moved on.
Many of those people will remember when it's time to buy a new Bioware product, and for sure many of those will refuse to be early adopters (because Bioware demonstrated that their products cannot be seen as reliable just after release), waiting for price drops (which means less revenue), many others will just pass.
Sure, many will also "forgive and forget", but I'm quite sure that the extremely negative impression left with DA:O on so many users will be difficult to wash away.

Personally, I've been a Bioware fan since Baldur's gate. I bought every single game of theirs on the release day. For the first time I will not buy a Bioware product with The Old Republic. Why? Because if their QA is this screwed up with a single player game like Dragon Age, there's absolutely no way they can do a decent quality job with something as dauntingly complex as a MMORPG. If their patching processes are so slow there's absolutely no way in hell that they will be able to keep a decently sized community interested in a MMORPG. MMORPG players aren't nearly forgiving like single player gamers, if major bugs aren't solved overnight, or in a week tops, they unsubscribe and don't look back.

I actually find it absolutely hilarious and ironic how EA basically dismantled Mythic over Warhammer Online's problems and put the charred remains under Bioware's control, while Bioware actually shown much, much less professionality and ability to handle complex issues with Dragon Age.
At the very least, old Mark Jacobs had the guts to come to the forums and adress the problems himself. Have you ever seen Ray Muzyka or Greg Zeschuk show their faces here to even issue a couple lines of apology on how disastrous the situation of Dragon Age is? Nah, they send us a community manager to take the flak for them and trickle down half baked "news" that (like this time) aren't even actual news.

The effects of this are already showing quite clearly if you look around in environments dedicated to hardcore crpg gamers. Bioware isn't considered the "king" of RPGs animore. Now most fans of the genre look at young (but very enthuasiastic, and enthusiasm brings dedication) studios like CD Projekt.
Whatever will come on February the 1st, 2011, I'm almost ready to bet that it'll be largely overshadowed by The Witcher 2, at the very least on the PC market. And Bioware will have called it upon themselves.

I have no idea how The Old Republic will turn out... Or if Bioware will be able to handle it... I do know that Mass Effect 2 and Dragon Age: Origins are both seen as two of the best critically acclaimed RPGs of the recent years. Yes, maybe they can't handle the customer service... And again, I'm not effected because I'm playing the game righ now... Maybe I'm not even talking about the hardcore gamers, but I think Bioware is making plenty of money from the General Audience and all the critics praising them to no end. I still think there is hope for Bioware to get their act together... And although it seems like forever, Dragon Age was only released 8 months ago, and I still see it at every Walmart I go to, along with Awakening... Idk, Dragon Age is my favorite Fantasy RPG... Because the reality is, with it running well, it is the best thing out there for fantasy nerds who want a deep character and story experience. The Witcher was pretty awesome, but I never finished it... And most fantasy games just SUCK... If Bioware puts their hours in, they can continue to be on top. But if it is as you say, and most people have given up, then they do need to turn things around and get their priorites right.

[Abriael_CG]

night0205 wrote...
I have no idea how The Old Republic will turn out... Or if Bioware will be able to handle it... I do know that Mass Effect 2 and Dragon Age: Origins are both seen as two of the best critically acclaimed RPGs of the recent years. Yes, maybe they can't handle the customer service... And again, I'm not effected because I'm playing the game righ now... Maybe I'm not even talking about the hardcore gamers, but I think Bioware is making plenty of money from the General Audience and all the critics praising them to no end. I still think there is hope for Bioware to get their act together... And although it seems like forever, Dragon Age was only released 8 months ago, and I still see it at every Walmart I go to, along with Awakening... Idk, Dragon Age is my favorite Fantasy RPG... Because the reality is, with it running well, it is the best thing out there for fantasy nerds who want a deep character and story experience. The Witcher was pretty awesome, but I never finished it... And most fantasy games just SUCK... If Bioware puts their hours in, they can continue to be on top. But if it is as you say, and most people have given up, then they do need to turn things around and get their priorites right.

8 months with very big outstanding issues are a long, long time. And again, if they worked on fixing those and nothing else or at least if their primary priority was just that, I would definitely give them more leeway. The problem is that their priority has shifted to generating more revenue, and doing that before major glaring issues are solved (and I don't even mean just crashes and such, for goodness sake, the game's finale is screwed up, you may not have noticed it if you didn't get THAT finale, but it is), that's an extremely unprofessional behaviour, not to mention disprespectful of their customers' money.

Not counting the countless unresolved issues, Dragon Age is one of my favourite fantasy RPGs as well. I've praised it plenty in the past on this forum and elsewhere and that's the only reason why i'm still here and I didn't just say "screw it all". The problem is exactly there. It has so much potential, yet absolutely sloppy QA and lack of professionalism ruined it for many people, me included.
Wasted potential burns more than lack of thereof. At least for me.

Modifié par Abriael_CG, 03 juillet 2010 - 05:43 .

[A Puzzled Mind]

whatever, keep working

Modifié par A Puzzled Mind, 03 juillet 2010 - 05:41 .

[Abriael_CG]

TJ_Hooker wrote...

Abriael_CG, you talk about professionals and being professional and professionalism an awful lot... are you a hit man or something?

You can call me Leon 

[Katsunami]

Brockololly wrote...

MaxQuartiroli wrote...

I completed Redcliffe and Magi Tower, and at that point of the game I had already suffered more or less 20 crashes.. I disabled sounds effects, not the audio of my pc and not the music or the dialogue. Just sound effects on the audio menu of the game and I keep active dialogue and musics.

I managed to finish the game with only 1 crash, during a battle in Deep Roads...

I trust that for some games and some computers, like mine, is just some kind of sounds who make the game to crash. Therefore, until you wait for 1.04 you can try this...

Since I want to play the Leliana DLC likely before 1.04 comes out, I'll have to try turning off sound effects since 1.03 always ends up with crashes to desktop when casting certain spells...

Couldn't this be an issue with your sound card drivers? With 1.03, I've experienced some random crashes to desktop, but they were few and far between. They are also not reproducible because the moment of crashing was quite random. I did not experience any crashes due to sound, as far as I can see. At the moment I am using an X-Fi Extreme Audio, with it's latest (but already quite old) drivers.

Is there a possibility to upgrade your sound card drivers? It may make this particular problem less or even solve it.

[DeadJediJamie]

Abriael_CG wrote...

DeadJediJamie wrote...

Yeah, can't help national holidays I suppose. Does mean that I won't be picking up the DLC though until the game is fixed however, as it was with Darkspawn Chronicles.

Actually you definitely CAN help national holidays, weekends and even nights when you're backlogged. That's what true professionals normally do.

Personally, If i have to complete a project and I'm backlogged on it, I most definitely do as much overtime as it's needed to make sure that my client is serviced as well and as fast as possible. He pays my groceries, so he deserves the best service I can provide in a reasonable timeframe.
In fact at the moment it's 5 AM and I just finished working. At 10 AM I will go and present my current project to the client that commissioned it. THEN, if it doesn't need any changes, I'll take a well deserved day off to rest.

After several months in which Dragon Age and Awakening have been in an absolutely shameful quality state, I would say it's time to get a bit of overtime under the belt. They can take vacations freely once their product that we already paid for, has reached a decent stage quality-wise.
Professionals make up for it when they screw up, and Bioware quite evidently screwed up big time both with Origins and Awakenings, but they don't  seem to think an additional effort to make up for it is necessary or warranted.

I can't say I'm an happy camper. If i delivered a product in the state Dragon Age is in, and then left it to rot for more than half a year without solving any of the most hideous problems, I'd be so ashamed that I'd lock myself in the office and I wouldn't come out until it's fixed if not to eat and sleep. Unfortunately some Bioware employees seem to be keen on going around and giving interviews criticizing other RPG developers (that at the very least deliver finished and well polished products, actually).
How droll.

I will say in all honesty that I agree with this and many of your subsequent posts. I'm just tired of venting here, since Bioware has an excuse for everything, as do the fanboys. My patience ran out a month after the 1.03 patch was released when Bioware stubbornly refused to acknowledge there was anything even wrong with the patch. I think they had sufficient enough "holiday" in the subsequent months of doing seemingly nothing to remedy the broken patch, but as I said, this stance would be deemed to be totally unreasonable by B/W and the rampant fanboys.

Keep fighting the good fight.

Modifié par DeadJediJamie, 03 juillet 2010 - 06:48 .

[night0205]

Well, the reality is, sometimes I don't catch what things are suppose to be there and are not. How about we get into specifics a little, how about you give me the three biggest problems with the game. I've heard a lot about people saying it's messed up, but I just haven't really noticed it. What three story/plot problems does the game screw up? You can include that ending that I apparently haven't done...

[Drewbahr]

Something resembling an eta would be neat.

[TheMadCat]

Drewbahr wrote...

Something resembling an eta would be neat.

How's July 6th sound.