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[Kristofer Wolf]

Sorry - but major game issues should get placed before DLC anytime.  It's a slap in the face to tell customers to contine to wait on a fix "in the works," when other members of the team are obviously working on
multiple DLC's. 

I would strongly recommend everyone on this board NOT to buy the new Leliana's Song DLC until the patch is released and tested to make sure that the long awaited patch does as is advertised.  

I can appreciate the fact that you guys are working on the issues but put customer needs ahead of  making a quick
buck.

The issues have been outstanding for too long, just to say "it'll be after [insert DLC]....." again. 

Modifié par Kristofer Wolf, 03 juillet 2010 - 08:22 .

[DVDuck]

Holidays! Wonderful times! Spend time with the family and have fun! As long as the patch gets out, all good.

[Branji]

As much as I dislike EA/Bioware, to the people arguing and insulting with each other: take it to private messages. Don't make this your personal thread.

[Lyna357]

Does this mean everyone at Bioware is on holiday so we can take over the forums?
Not that I would ever do anything like that!

Thanks for the previously reported update, Victor. It's nice to know we are not forgotten. Have a happy and safe holiday everyone!
I was sad to read that the patch won't be out before Liliana's Song DLC but what can you do? I doubt that I will buy it and take a 'wait and see' until I hear more about the upcoming patch.

[DeadJediJamie]

Kristofer Wolf wrote...

Sorry - but major game issues should get placed before DLC anytime.  It's a slap in the face to tell customers to contine to wait on a fix "in the works," when other members of the team are obviously working on
multiple DLC's. 

I would strongly recommend everyone on this board NOT to buy the new Leliana's Song DLC until the patch is released and tested to make sure that the long awaited patch does as is advertised.  

I can appreciate the fact that you guys are working on the issues but put customer needs ahead of  making a quick
buck.

The issues have been outstanding for too long, just to say "it'll be after [insert DLC]....." again. 

Yes, but I can't fathom why anyone who is having problems would want to buy the DLC when the rest of the game is as broken as it is. But knowing some people on these forums who lap up any and all content thrown at them (Feast day gifts pack, anyone?) they'll do it anyway and then later complain in the tech support subforum that the DLC is "crashing, WTF". Yeah, no shi*, it's going to keep doing that as long as patch 1.03 is out in the wild.

So remember this if you have problems, before buying up the DLC.

Modifié par DeadJediJamie, 03 juillet 2010 - 12:08 .

[Serenade]

No patch no DLC purchase. Simple as that.

[robertmtc]

Happy holidays !

[ShinsFortress]

I think that people with genuine problems deserve the patch before more paid-for-DLC is released.



I am unfortunately no longer surprised that this is not the case.

[ladydesire]

Abriael_CG wrote...

Brockololly wrote...
Ummm.. no. Quite a few people that worked on DAO have been working on TOR. This I know for a fact. People move around in BioWare, they don't all stay on one thing all the time.

I'm sure a few did. But unless they want to release a three levels flash game next year, I seriously doubt many of the "best" were shifted on TOR. We're six months away from Dragon Age 2 (unless it gets delayed like Dragon Age 1 did, of course, which at this rate I'm not sure would be a bad thing).

And even if the "best" were really moved on TOR, why would that give me more faith in their ability to handle something as complex as a MMORPG? They'd be the same "best" that delivered something as buggy and issue-ridden as Dragon Age. It's hardly a warranty of quality. Quite the contrary.

Ever hear of Closed Beta testing? It's quite common with MMO's to ensure that serious bugs don't make it into the final release product; it's also something that can happen with PC-only games to make sure that the game itself, and any patches, cause as few problems as possible. I'm not trying to justify all the issues with DA, mind you.

[Kothoses Rothenkisal]

I havent run into any of these "major" problem people seem to talk about, maybe thats because I look after my PC keep my HD clean and I make sure my hardware is compatable before installing it. Im not saying its solely the players fault, but a fair bit of it could be solved this way.



Certain brands of PC hardware have much much better software/firmware than others and are much much more stable for gaming.



That said, this game has had very very few patches and lots of DLC, I hope this is simply because the patches are so huge and the QA is so extensive that they dwarf any DLC content in terms of complexity and not because they are free so its only a tiny team working on them.

[Lintanis]

its good to know while playing the Leliana dlc that the patch is being worked on

[Thomas9321]

Thanks for the constant updates Victor! This time just give me opportunity to plan my next playthrough.

[BrunoB1971]

Some people do not understand there is a lot of red tape involved in the process of patching this game...Bioware is divided in 2 and has to report to EA in some shape or form and all those suits talking things over takes time...i know because i work for the government and when i have to buy a usb stick to help a user who needs it right away it takes several levels of approval then i get the final approval and then i can get the stick which usually means a few days later than what i would have wanted to make it happen. I really hate this way of doing things but i am sure this is how it works at BIO at this time because it is a company.





I am really angry that it took so long to get things started but at least they are started, all i can do is wait until it is finished...analogy...there is no point of rushing a heart sugery just for the sake of someone waiting in the waiting room to know the results of the operation when it may cause more harm to the person who gets operated on.





Those who want it right now better go away cause it aint happening. They can put in all the philosophical rethorics they want it aint gonna change a thing. This situation was mistreated to beign with but they are working on it now....it is better than abandonned ware like Titan quest and Sacred 2,,,i know because i have been victim of these 2 games getting no support after a while for different reasons...



It took red alert 3 several patches to bring it up to what it is now , so was supreme commander 2.



but some complaining and play other games in the meantime....

[Abriael_CG]

night0205 wrote...
Well, the reality is, sometimes I don't catch what things are suppose to be there and are not. How about we get into specifics a little, how about you give me the three biggest problems with the game. I've heard a lot about people saying it's messed up, but I just haven't really noticed it. What three story/plot problems does the game screw up? You can include that ending that I apparently haven't done...

Personally my game crashes to desktop every 5/10 minutes. And before someone asks, my hardware is way above the recomended specs on every field, I update all my drivers regularly, all my fans run smoothly,  I keep my hard disk defragged and I have about 200 gigs of free space. I have one of the best antivirus/firewall combos available (and yes, deactivating it when I play doesn't help),  every one of the MANY other PC games I play (besides Silent Hunter 5, but that's another mighty sloppy game QA-wise) run without any major issues, so no, it isn't my computer's fault.

Then there are countless quest continuity bugs, quests that don't trigger, quests that don't give the proper rewards or the proper dialogue options, there are several ending bugs regarding Alistair. In some conditions even if he's alive and well during the ending he doesn't appear and Anora talks about him as he was the one that sacrificed himself (despite the player having given in to Morrigan's dark pact), in other cases, with Alistair NOT chosen as king, he'll just suddenly decide that no, him being excluded isn't fair, and he's actually king.
The worst part is that lot of those ending problems exist since the release of the game and WILL often carry into awakenings.

There are plenty more, and I encourage you to help yourself with the tech support forums, they're all listed there.

Kothoses Rothenkisal wrote...

I havent run into any of these "major" problem people seem to talk about, maybe thats because I look after my PC keep my HD clean and I make sure my hardware is compatable before installing it. Im not saying its solely the players fault, but a fair bit of it could be solved this way.

Sorry, but it doesn't work like that. As long as a computer is above the minimum requirements and it includes all the updated drivers, it's the developer's responsibility to make the game work with every configuration.
That's what "minimum requirements" notices are for.

ladydesire wrote...
Ever hear of Closed Beta testing? It's
quite common with MMO's to ensure that serious bugs don't make it into
the final release product; it's also something that can happen with
PC-only games to make sure that the game itself, and any patches, cause
as few problems as possible. I'm not trying to justify all the issues
with DA, mind you.

I didn't just hear of them, I've been in more closed betas (and alphas actually) than I can count since the time of Ultima Online. Basically none of them ever managed to prevent major gamebreaking bugs and issues to sneak into the final product.
No beta, even the largest stress tests can really simulate the impact of an actual full sized retail community against a MMORPG game.
If Bioware's TOR QA team will be even slightly similar to that of  Dragon Age, the crowd of wow-lovers will eat them alive and spit them in tatters. Having a popular IP like Star Wars won't help one bit, we all known where Star Wars Galaxies has gone.

@BrunoB1971: you're comparing apples to oranges. You might as well pull out an Hitler analogy so we can talk about Godwin's law. 
Bioware isn't the government, Game developers aren't surgeons.
Supreme Commander 2 and Red Alert 3 might have needed several patches to be brought up to speed, but their developers didn't roll out continuous DLCs to grab more revenue, prioritizing them over patching.
There's a world of difference there.

Modifié par Abriael_CG, 03 juillet 2010 - 02:13 .

[wicked_being]

What kind of game problem are people talking about? I haven't encountered anything...but then again I play on the PS3.

[sirchet]

Thank you Victor.

[Lord Gremlin]

Wait. New DLC must come with new trophies and therefore you have to patch the game. Does this mean we will get an update that will only add trophies?

[Gothmog1065]

I don't care about how a piece of weapon/armor looks, I really don't care about the dex bugs. I'd like to see a quick fix pushed out so I can PLAY THE DAMN GAME.

[Woffen5]

ShinsFortress wrote...

I think that people with genuine problems deserve the patch before more paid-for-DLC is released.

I am unfortunately no longer surprised that this is not the case.

They do. Unfortunately BW doesnt give a rats ass about that.

[mildmort]

Why am I posting again...
Thank you, I understand the game, a little.
I'd honestly say resourses should be used for next games. Patches may fix some errors but for story oriented RPGs like DA:O it hardly help for sales without large localizations. And just personally, Whole translation seems to be impractical at this time.

Modifié par mildmort, 03 juillet 2010 - 04:16 .

[Tooneyman]

I just want this patch so it will stop the dang crashes on my PC. It always crashes during combat. ECK!

[switzki]

TheMadCat wrote...

Drewbahr wrote...
Something resembling an eta would be neat.

How's July 6th sound.

Sounds early.

Victor Wachter wrote...
Unfortunately, although we still do not have a release date, I can tell you that it will not be released before Leliana's Song.

[mildmort]

Maybe just Closed Beta version....

[mildmort]

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Modifié par mildmort, 03 juillet 2010 - 06:19 .