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[Darth_Trethon]

Kristofer Wolf wrote...

I am not saying that folks do not deserve a vacation, because it's not life or death. What I am saying is ridiculous is the fact that they continue to throw out DLC when there are not minute, not moderate, but severe game breaking issues on multiple platforms.
A more applicable analogy to what most are complaining about would be a doctor leaving in the middle of heart surgery (game issues) so that he could work on a pacemaker (DLC) he wants to market to people later. Sure the pacemaker might be good to have later, but the guy in the middle of surgery would sure appreciate him finishing his job.

As for the bureaucracy - I also work for a company with a HUGE amount of red tape and SOME delay due to that is understood. However, Bioware has been a game company for a long time, and knows that game fixes should be complete and timely in support of customers they want to keep.

If they had everyone assigned to DAO working on the problems and it took time, that's fine - but apparently a vast majority of folks are busy working on new DLC instead of game fixes - that's what I think is unacceptable.

I hate booting up my Xbox everyday hoping that my saves will still be there, and wondering if my next step in the quests are going to be locked up due to a glitch.

Well the only severe problem the 360 has is the saves becoaming corrupted and at least that issue has already been confirmed to be on this upcoming patch. Then Leliana's Song doesn't require present DAO saves so I think we'll be allright.

[Abriael_CG]

BrunoB1971 wrote...
But yet you want everything yesterday

yesterday? Do you even read what you write? The game has been out EIGHT months. Many people still aren't able to play it properly, and even the ones that are able to have to bear TONS of continuity/quest/itemization/dialogue bugs that quite evidently provide a gaming experience that's not the intended one.

Eight months have really nothing to do with "yesterday".

and no one deserves a vacation because that would be unprofessionnal of them. Are you living at the start of the industrial age when people worked almost all week and had to beg to have time off while working for sweat shop wages?

We are in 2010 as far as i can see and that si the way things are. They take godam time to get done. I am not happy about it, no one is happy about it but waltzing in into a conversation and waving your hand and talking all philosophical like will not change a thing! You just look like a bully who can't wait his turn!

You see, I'd agree with you wholeheartedly if the majority of their development resources were dedicated to fixing the game people already paid for. Things take time to be done, that's beyond any reasonable doubt.

The problem here is that they don't only take their reasonable time to get it done, but they also willingly and knowingly increase that time by investing the majority of their development resources in developing further DLCs to release, leaving the many that can't play decently a game they paid for already to rot without a clue on when they'll get what their money's worth.

Given that extremely unprofessional (and i'd say even unethical) behavioir, I'm sorry, but I'm no more willing to cut them any slack. I did for several months already, writing the exact same things that you're writing now, and quite evidently giving them much more credit than they deserved.

So no, I'm sorry, no sympathy here. Professional people get things done, THEN they rest. It's that simple.

The Masked Rog wrote...
You make it sound so much worse than it really is. It is almost like the game is unplayable for everyone. In
fact, to almost the entirety of the client-base the game runs close to flawless. Some have serious problems with it, yes, but that happens with every game and Bioware is working on it. Consider yourselves lucky they do, must companies would just consider the game in good quality state (as this game truly is) and be ignore any problems suffered by the minorities.

I always find it extremely funny when fanboys come here telling that "to almost the entirety of the client-base the game runs close to flawless", like they had done any kind of statistically valid survey that demonstrated that extremely farfetched claim.

I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but you have absolutely no clue on what you're talking about and absolutely no data to back it up. The only thing we can see is that the technical support forums are bursting full of complaints for so many issues that it isn't even funny. And this easily voids your claim.

Of course  without even mentioning that all the quest related, endings related, itemization and dialogue bugs affect EVERYONE. Them alone most definitely put the game in a position that is miles away from the "close to flawless" definition.

When a game whose major advertisement point is freedom of choice doesn't even display the consequences of such choices correctly, that's a flaw that can hardly be considered marginal.
If you want to continue playing with your eyes firmly shut in order to pretend not to notice the flaws, that's your business, but please, don't insult our intelligence trying to tell us that what's clearly visible to everyone that's willing to see just doesn't exist.

Modifié par Abriael_CG, 04 juillet 2010 - 04:00 .

[BrunoB1971]

Dont you think i do not know that the game has been out for 8 months? The patching is getting done! end of story..your constant abrasive comments do not help at all here, like i said you are just trying to bully in in a situation that you have no control over. If you are so smart and professionnal like you claim to be, why dont you hop in on a plane to edmonton and go to the Bioware headquarters and rant in their faces that you wanted the patch 3 months ago instead of annoying us with your redundant way of seeing things your way.



Most of us did our part by moaning and pushing Bioware to do a patch we played our part in the game...the ball is with them now.



You are not at wendy's here where you get your burger your way!



If you cant do anything else but rant then you are not helping...if you want to help tell bioware of the problems you are having with the game, that is what they want to know...



otherwise just Troll away...please...

[casedawgz]

BrunoB1971 wrote...

Dont you think i do not know that the game has been out for 8 months? The patching is getting done! end of story..your constant abrasive comments do not help at all here, like i said you are just trying to bully in in a situation that you have no control over. If you are so smart and professionnal like you claim to be, why dont you hop in on a plane to edmonton and go to the Bioware headquarters and rant in their faces that you wanted the patch 3 months ago instead of annoying us with your redundant way of seeing things your way.

Most of us did our part by moaning and pushing Bioware to do a patch we played our part in the game...the ball is with them now.

You are not at wendy's here where you get your burger your way!

If you cant do anything else but rant then you are not helping...if you want to help tell bioware of the problems you are having with the game, that is what they want to know...

otherwise just Troll away...please...

Have It Your Way is BK, not Wendy's. Just sayin'.

[LOLDevilzments]

Niemroth wrote...

That the Beserker-Rage is turned off after battle is not a bug it's intended that way! It's like Blood Magic which is turned off after battle, too.
You don't ask for bugfixing, you ask for changing the game-mechanics.

The mechanics are terrible in that aspect then, and needs to be changed imo.

[Surango]

LOLDevilzments wrote...

Niemroth wrote...

That the Beserker-Rage is turned off after battle is not a bug it's intended that way! It's like Blood Magic which is turned off after battle, too.
You don't ask for bugfixing, you ask for changing the game-mechanics.

The mechanics are terrible in that aspect then, and needs to be changed imo.

I see you have the pc version. What's stopping you from making those changes to suit your preferences? The scripts are very well organized in the tool set.

[Aratark]

LOLDevilzments wrote...

Niemroth wrote...

That the Beserker-Rage is turned off after battle is not a bug it's intended that way! It's like Blood Magic which is turned off after battle, too.
You don't ask for bugfixing, you ask for changing the game-mechanics.

The mechanics are terrible in that aspect then, and needs to be changed imo.

Try googling Berserkers and see how they fought a battle.  The Berserker Rage is an attempt to replicate that.

[Kastagir]

Why is there still no mention of the most obvious, embarrassing bugs? Such as Find Vitals referencing a completely different ability or the 2h version of Vigilance being held and wielded backwards? Helloo? Bioware? What exactly happened during that long period where you were "collecting data" on bug reports? Did you have to create a completely new bug database or something? *boggles*

[Gnaeus.Silvanus]

Keep the updates flowing, this way 1.03 flame trolls like me won't resurface if disappointed yet again.

[XonDK82]

I'm happy as long as game breaking bugs are fixed

Specificly corruption of savegames when selling too many things, punishing those that want to find as much as possible

[Darth_Trethon]

Kastagir wrote...

Why is there still no mention of the most obvious, embarrassing bugs? Such as Find Vitals referencing a completely different ability or the 2h version of Vigilance being held and wielded backwards? Helloo? Bioware? What exactly happened during that long period where you were "collecting data" on bug reports? Did you have to create a completely new bug database or something? *boggles*

I don't know what the Find Vitals is but it sound like something to do with the toolset or something you aren't supposed to mess with anyway which is completely irrelevant given that the goal is to get the main game itself in good condition. As for the Vigilance sword they have to fix its textures first but otherwise I agree about that point although I'll never use any 2h weapon period so I couldn't care less if they turn the 2h version the right way or not.

Modifié par Darth_Trethon, 04 juillet 2010 - 08:16 .

[ShinsFortress]

Kristofer Wolf wrote...

Sorry - but major game issues should get placed before DLC anytime.  It's a slap in the face to tell customers to contine to wait on a fix "in the works," when other members of the team are obviously working on
multiple DLC's. 

I would strongly recommend everyone on this board NOT to buy the new Leliana's Song DLC until the patch is released and tested to make sure that the long awaited patch does as is advertised.  

I can appreciate the fact that you guys are working on the issues but put customer needs ahead of  making a quick
buck.

The issues have been outstanding for too long, just to say "it'll be after [insert DLC]....." again. 

I agree.  I haven't bought anything since 1.03.

To be honest, the latest announcement is the final straw for me.  After 1.03 I had left it installed, having oodles of space like a lot of you out there.  I now don't plan on coming back to DA:O at all, and have uninstalled it.  It's now time to play other games I've bought from companies, which have been queuing up for a while, that haven't shown me this poor service.

I've been playing CRPGs since the very beginning.  Since they were more "adventure" than "RPG".  Long before Baldur's Gate, rememeber Bard's Tale 1, 2, 3?  Dungeon Master?  Phantasie?  Pools of radiance?  Then of course, Baldur's Gate series, NWN1 series, NWN2 and so on.  I've played them all.  There will be few people out there who've played more.  I think this franchise could have been one of the very best.  It isn't now.  There are other players (pun intended!) out there, Bioware isn't the only one.

[spooky3]

Hi, am new this discussion. I see that some of you have problem with the patch, or what...I have that patch and I dont have any problem, only osme little...And in title is written that the release date of new patch is 2.7 no? or I dont understand that corectly..So, when is the release date?

[MaxQuartiroli]

I don'think that the game is at the level to be considered "unplayable for allmost all users" but it is also true that "it works fine only for a very limited number of users"

If we want to discuss if the game is playable or not we should also have to consider what every single player considers important for his game. We have 2 main kind of troubles in this game:

- the instability of the game/crashes
- several bugs which affect the story

and 1 minor kind (at least I think it is so)

- some missing objects/objects which don't work correctly

Correct me if I am wrong but I don't think someone would stop to play the game just because we haven't elven boots into the game.. It's annoying yes, but not vital, therefore let's concentrate on the first two points

I am a long time RPG player, rightly before RPG video games were born I was already a pen&paper RPG player. I am not the kind of player who cares about graphic or special effects 'cause I am mainly interested about the story, the plot and the life of the characters

Now..There is a huge portion of PC users who suffers of frequently crashes, some of them ,like me, managed to play the game lowering some settings.. The game is less enjoyable with lowered video settings or with sounds effect disabled but you can play it. If that was the only issue I suffered I could easily say that the game for me was playable.

But when you play a character and after 60 hours you are playing you managed to become king in your story, you reach the ending and you discover that another character is addressed to be king due to a bug...

When you romanced a character and you don't obtain the propers dialogues at the end, and you also discover that in the expansion some things concerning your LI don't trigger due to a bug...

When you let a character die and later in the expansion he reappears, talking to you as you were best buddies due to a bug....

In that moment, for me, the game is unplayable.

But there are also players for which is not enough to have a story which is 100% fine but that want also a stable game which doesn't crash every 5 minute. For these players the game is broken too...

If there are people who play on console or on some PC that for lucky don't crash (because trust me.. is a matter of luck not of minimal specs) and don't mind too much about these things, or they didn't notice them or they didn't meet them just because their story follows ways which allow them to avoid these bugs, they will always say that "the game is correct" but this is not completely true

If you side immediately in Orzammar with Harrowmont or Bhelen you won't encounter the bug breaking game which prevent you to continue the quest..

If you didn't romance Zevran you'll never have the problem of him speaking to you with the incorrect dialogue lines at the Gates of Denerim

This doesn't mean that your game works correctly, But just that in your in-game choices you didn't take any decision which could bring you to face these (bugged) situations. Therefore your game is bugged also for you becuase if tomorrow you'll begin a new playtrough and you will try one of these ways you'll have the same problems. And mine was just a couple of examples of all the affecting-story bugs we are suffering from the beginning....

Modifié par MaxQuartiroli, 04 juillet 2010 - 01:43 .

[Woffen5]

Turning off the sound makes the game unplayable for me. Not only less enjoyable but unplayable as in I cant stand playing without sound(already did this with Oblivion and it drove me nuts). Its the only fix for the combat lag for me currently, but no.. I refuse to play until its fixed, nor will I buy any dlcs.



Have had an invisible oghren following me around in the deep roads. Did have an invisible Loghain talking to me even though he was dead!

[Loerwyn]

spooky3 wrote...

Hi, am new this discussion. I see that some of you have problem with the patch, or what...I have that patch and I dont have any problem, only osme little...And in title is written that the release date of new patch is 2.7 no? or I dont understand that corectly..So, when is the release date?

The date in the title is not the date of the patch, it's the date of the news update.

[Abriael_CG]

BrunoB1971 wrote...
If you cant do anything else but rant thenyou are not helping...if you want to help tell bioware of the problems you are having with the game, that is what they want to know...

We are customers, mate. We're not here to help. We're here to express  the point of view of paying customers that paid for a product and are stuck with a flawed one. That's all there is to it. 
Bioware is well aware of what the problems are. They have been for the past eight months (and probably even earlier than that). The problem isn't awareness, but the unwillingness to work professionally. Which means prioritizing fixing a broken game over hunting for further revenue or at the very least the importance of giving customers proper timeframes on when they'll finally able to play decently what they already paid for.
Unfortunately they didn't learn this concept during the various debacles we saw in the last 8 months on this forums, so they need to be reminded.

Bioware seems to have serious problems in understanding the concept of customer satisfaction. This doesn't mean that reminding them isn't useful, warranted oreven necessary.

I find it actually amusing that the message some of the people here are expressing is, instead:
"go ahead Bioware, from now on please  continue to do as you wish and release more inherently flawed products. And about fixing them, please do take your time, there's no hurry, you can as well continue to prioritize them last, we understand so well that grabbing some more of our money is evidently much more important!
Don't even bother telling us when they'll be finally fixed, we're plenty happy with just looking at the box!
Can I bend over now, please, master?"

otherwise just Troll away...please...

Sorry, but this is not for you to say.

@MaxQuartiroli: well said
All the ones coming here saying "the game works perfectly for me!" simply aren't aware of some of the most serious story and quest related bugs. Lack of awareness doesn't mean that the game works.

Modifié par Abriael_CG, 04 juillet 2010 - 01:01 .

[edgarcabrerauk]

NightmarezAbound wrote...

@Dannyboy, Bows work fine in PS3, have done well over 1100+ damage in Awakenings for a crit and averaged around 350 on a normal shot.

Only IF you've got Awakenings, in 360. they do such high damage, too... but if you've got ONLY  DAO, it does not work... 

Modifié par edgarcabrerauk, 04 juillet 2010 - 01:25 .

[edgarcabrerauk]

Darth_Trethon wrote...

13Dannyboy13 wrote...

Nooneyouknow13 wrote...

13Dannyboy13 wrote...

Any word on whether or not bows will be fixed as well? (dex not being added as modifier)

Short bows and long bows work fine, in all versions of the game. Crossbows are the only ranged weapon not scaling with any intended attributes.

No they don't actually, adding dex does absolutely nothing to bows on the 360, longbows and shortbows are supposed to use strength and dexterity as modifiers for the bows damage. This was fixed on pc with the first patch, but has not been addressed for consoles yet.

I play on the 360 and bows always seemed clearly affected by my increasing dexterity. You are the first I see complaining about dexterity not affecting bows.....has anyone else encountered this or could you simply be mistaken?

Perhaps you have done some rogue built, and lethality is doing the damage... try a warrior or a mage built and pump the dex using a bow.... you'll see the difference. SInce dex is a core attribute, it should work for all classes.

[zorp]

To little, to late........



Didn't buy the Feastday pack, didn't buy the Darkspawn DLC, will not buy the Leliana DLC.......



You lost a customer while you where producing DLC's instead of fixing the game, a customer who bought everything you produced up until Awakening.



Something you might want to think about.

[Loerwyn]

zorp wrote...

To little, to late........
Didn't buy the Feastday pack, didn't buy the Darkspawn DLC, will not buy the Leliana DLC.......
You lost a customer while you where producing DLC's instead of fixing the game, a customer who bought everything you produced up until Awakening.
Something you might want to think about.

DLC team =/= Patching team.
Just sayin'.

[Abriael_CG]

OnlyShallow89 wrote...
DLC team =/= Patching team.
Just sayin'.

This is a very convenient excuse. Too bad it's not valid nor realistic.
Game development doesn't work with airtight compartments, most of the developers that work on DLCs could easily work on patching (especially since a LOT of the patched contents has to do with quest and continuity bugs, and fixing them requires the use of exactly the same tools that are used to create DLCs), the same can be said for the testers.
Bioware could easily decide to use most of their development resources on patching the game, by shifting most of their manpower on it. There'd be plenty work matching their professional skills, you can be sure of that.

The only problem is that they don't want to.

Just sayin'.

Modifié par Abriael_CG, 04 juillet 2010 - 02:50 .

[LadyVaJedi]

I am wondering something here. Didn't they have game testers for DAO and Awakenings and if they did how in the world did they not catch most of these bugs.

[Callidus Thorn]

Can people please stop pointing out that the DLC team and the patching teams are separate. No one disputes that, and it is not a valid excuse for DLC being released while the game was broken. The fault is still Bioware's for letting the patching team sit around twiddling their thumbs for months instead of fixing the game.



Don't get me wrong, I am thankful that they are fixing the game, but the fact they are now fixing the game does excuse the long period of time when they should have been fixing the game.

[night0205]

I think if you can play the game, with minimal amounts of bugs/crashes then you just need to be patient for the next patch which will be released in a week or two. If you can't... I don't see your game working just because they patch it... If a game is absolutely "unplayable", it usually isn't a "patch" problem, but a computer problem. The chances of them being able to, or willing to, fix that are slim. I'd seek help from outside Bioware. Crashing every couple minutes is NOT normal.