Brief Update on the Upcoming Dragon Age Patch (July 2, 2010)
#176
Posté 04 juillet 2010 - 10:07
I'm being more than patient right now since I've trusted your company, BioWare, since the mid-90's, so I understand holidays but can partially understand the mammoth waiting times for a proper fix.
#177
Posté 04 juillet 2010 - 10:14
Thajocoth wrote...
I know I'm sounding like a broken record here, but the memory leak issues you mention being fixed... Does this mean that the delayed death bug is fixed? As a game coder myself, I suspected that to be a memory leak the moment I saw it.While I agree with you about releasing DLC before the core game's out of beta, I disagree about a timeframe. Once they say a date, that date is set, and only what they can fix by then will be fixed. By not stating a date, they're able to fix as much as possible. Stating a date would mean that we get less.Abriael_CG wrote...
I'll jusyt say that the lack of an at least tentative timeframe for release...
I have to agree with you. Some folks are never happy however, even when they know fixes are being made...they want it done FASTER, just because.
Patience, you guys, there seems to be a lonnnnnng list of bugs they are addressing, lets allow Bioware to do that, and stop criticizing how long its taking. You aren't behind the scenes, you aren't dealing with the problems, you also don't have to deal with the certification processes with Microsoft and Sony.
It all takes time. Thats the gist of it.
#178
Posté 04 juillet 2010 - 10:38
night0205 wrote...
@Abriael Who bought the game? If you don't want to buy Bioware games then don't.
Sorry to burst just another of the many bubbles that you seem intent in blowing but... what the hell are you talking about?
As far as I've seen the box of the game didn't display any disclaimer saying "Warning! This game is ridden with bugs! It may not work on a sizable percentage of computers! Buy at your own risk!"
Your opinion really doesn't matter. Bioware is acting like a business, which means money first. There is no money is patching, so why would they devote a majority of their time to that?
Sorry but you're completely out of your mind or you simply don't have a very clear idea of what being a business means.
Running a business in a professional way doesn't just mean "grab all the money you can now! Who cares about the future". Customer satisfaction should be (and in many cases is) a very important factor in running a business.
Credibility IS money. By releasing inherently flawed products like Dragon Age and by providing insufficent support Bioware loses credibility, with credibility they lose future sales, and with future sales they lose money.
The game being "critically acclaimed" means something only in the short run. Journalists don't have time to finish their games. They put ten hours in when you're lucky, and won't notice most of the problem plaguing a game that's anywhere sizable.
On the other hand actual customers will play the game to it's end (or will try) will often notice the flaws, and will be quite wary next time he has to buy something from the same developer.
You people are tired of all the people who defend Bioware, and the Bioware people are tired of all the people who complain.
"bioware people" are the ones that did a poor and sloppy job, so I'm afraid that they are reaping what they sown. They have no right to be "tired" of anyone.
The reality of the matter is, it really doesn't matter. Bioware will do what they want to do, and they will take care of what they want to take care of, and if you want to buy and play their game then do it, if not I really don't understand why you are on the board. The game works, I know people who have played through it over 20 times with different characters. How many games have that amount of re-playability? I don't know of any. This is a critically acclaimed game. This game makes lots of money. So in the eyes of Bioware, this game was beyond their expectations. Bioware is selfish, why would you expect otherwise? Spending a lot of your time during the day just complaining about how much you hate the world just seems depressing to me. I really need to look up what the definition of "troll" really is...
You're basically saying "bioware will do what they want, so you paying customers need to bend over and take it up the rear willingly and silently, and be thankful too!"
Sorry, but this is what looks quite depressing to me.
Seriously, if you like to bend over, do so. By all means go on encouraging bioware to be "selfish" as you say in some sort of weird form of masochism.
if you like being fed faulty products and like to respond to kicks in the face with a smile, it's your problem.
Lickily enough, there are still many that don't, and will speak up, showing Bioware that releasing sloppy products is not acceptable, and taking more than eight months without fixing them is even less acceptable.
Feraele wrote...
Patience, you guys, there seems to be a lonnnnnng list of bugs they are addressing, lets allow Bioware to do
that, and stop criticizing how long its taking. You aren't behind the scenes, you aren't dealing with the problems, you also don't have to deal with the certification processes with Microsoft and Sony.
yeah we're not PAID to deal with the problems (with vacations and bonuses it seems), we PAID to deal with them.
Nice deal.
Modifié par Abriael_CG, 04 juillet 2010 - 10:41 .
#179
Posté 04 juillet 2010 - 10:45
I'm sorry I tried communicating with you. It obviously has no effect.
#180
Posté 04 juillet 2010 - 10:48
Something I learned quite a long time ago. It seems I'm literally talking to a broken radio. It just keeps repeating the same stuff over and over.night0205 wrote...
@ Abraiel
I'm sorry I tried communicating with you. It obviously has no effect.
#181
Posté 04 juillet 2010 - 10:52
night0205 wrote...
@ Abraiel
I'm sorry I tried communicating with you. It obviously has no effect.
I'm sorry if I didn't just reply "yes sir, you're right", given that, you know... you aren't.
It's funny how some people on the internet think that when someone disagrees with them they MUST have communication problems :innocent:
The Masked Rog wrote...
Something I learned quite a long time ago. It
seems I'm literally talking to a broken radio. It just keeps repeating
the same stuff over and over.
While you keep repeating:
"I don't notice the problems so the problems don't exist!!! LALLALALALALA!!! Can't hear youuu!!!"
pot. meet. kettle.
Modifié par Abriael_CG, 04 juillet 2010 - 10:53 .
#182
Posté 04 juillet 2010 - 11:10
#183
Posté 04 juillet 2010 - 11:15
@Bruno: I have onboard sound, and it glitches sometimes with ambient conversations/gossip. Some lines will sound fine, then one will go really faint. Listening closely, it's like it went into mono sound and echoes at a very low volume. In heavy magic combat, the sound cuts out completely for a second then returns to normal usually without crashing.
#184
Posté 04 juillet 2010 - 11:21
#185
Posté 04 juillet 2010 - 11:22
The Masked Rog wrote...
I hear you. The game has problems. I hear BioWare, the game is being fixed. Give them time. Everybody deserves holidays. Better late than never, better late than broken. Remember the 1.03 patch?
The problem is that we gave them plenty time, and still not only it isn't ready, but they give us absolutely no hint on when we'll finally be able to play decently.
If they told me "one month from now" at the very least it'd show a bit of respect for the customer. Instead they continue with the quite disrespectful "in the future, who knows, when it's ready", like we were some beggars asking for favors instead of paying customers asking for something that's due.
No game developer ever works without any schedule. They know very well at least a tentative timeframe for release, including certification, because Microsoft and Sony don't tell you "oh thank you for the patch, we'll test it and then get back to you at our best convenience". Certification times are fixed, and they give developers a timeframe for that.
In the end they chose to leave us completely in the dark, which is very unrespectful of our position as paying customers, and makes this whole thing much more distasteful than it could be.
@ Surango: I MIGHT be wrong (I don't play roguish classes) but the bug happens only with imported characters. He doesn't seem to have awakenings, so that particular bug doesn't happen in his game.
Modifié par Abriael_CG, 04 juillet 2010 - 11:23 .
#186
Posté 04 juillet 2010 - 11:24
It has been awhile since I've downloaded a patch update, but that's not why I'm writing this.
The issue that has been made aware to me is in regards to the Sentinel Armor Set in Dragon age Awakening appearing as the warden commander gear from the DLC. I've tried everything i thought would work on the console version, but it doesn't appear as it was meant to be as I've discovered in screen shots. If ANYONE can help me solve this issue or (better yet) bring this issue to those who have the power to fix it (i.e. the good folks at Bioware).
PLEASE HELP,
Sincerely Mr Crow
#187
Posté 04 juillet 2010 - 11:25
Feraele wrote...
Thajocoth wrote...
I know I'm sounding like a broken record here, but the memory leak issues you mention being fixed... Does this mean that the delayed death bug is fixed? As a game coder myself, I suspected that to be a memory leak the moment I saw it.While I agree with you about releasing DLC before the core game's out of beta, I disagree about a timeframe. Once they say a date, that date is set, and only what they can fix by then will be fixed. By not stating a date, they're able to fix as much as possible. Stating a date would mean that we get less.Abriael_CG wrote...
I'll jusyt say that the lack of an at least tentative timeframe for release...
I have to agree with you. Some folks are never happy however, even when they know fixes are being made...they want it done FASTER, just because.
Patience, you guys, there seems to be a lonnnnnng list of bugs they are addressing, lets allow Bioware to do that, and stop criticizing how long its taking. You aren't behind the scenes, you aren't dealing with the problems, you also don't have to deal with the certification processes with Microsoft and Sony.
It all takes time. Thats the gist of it.
"Patience" I think many of us have been more than Patient with Bioware / EA with fixes to this game. Keep in mind I been waiting since release in Nov 2009- It is now July 2010. I have been waiting patiently though numerous DLC, 2 bad Patches, and 1 Expansion. I haven't purchased any DLC since Wardens Keep because of the constant crashes on the PC. I think We have every Right to Criticize how long it is taking. Seeming they put more effort into release more content than putting more time and resources into fixing the core game. It has Taken Too long to begin with. Sorry, I don't buy into the we are not behind the scenes crap its been 9 months with these same issues. NO Excuses.
Modifié par Apex Sammoth, 04 juillet 2010 - 11:27 .
#188
Posté 04 juillet 2010 - 11:32
So, the logic of the fanboys is that "Bioware, like every other big company is out there only to make money, so all the other bad customers who have the nerve to to ask for fixes, patches, updates, support and some communication with the holy developers are trolls. How dare you ppl? My game works fine, so we don't care. Maybe your PCs have issues, the game is flawless. Bow down to Bioware, they are the makers of Baldur's Gate after all. Its EA's fault, they are evil! Complain to them".
...OK...
#189
Posté 04 juillet 2010 - 11:48
#190
Posté 04 juillet 2010 - 11:51
#191
Posté 05 juillet 2010 - 12:10
oblivionenss wrote...
To all of you that are fed up with
Bioware go play something else.
we are. This doesn't change that we also are paying customers, and have the right to play the game we paid for without problems, and to complain as much as we see fit until that happens.
Darth_Trethon wrote...
And now we are getting a major patch so stop your whining. Without DLCs like Leliana's Song and the such we'd be stuck with being bored.....or worse(for PC gamers) looking though poor fan made crap.
"now" is incorrect. We aren't getting it now. To be precise, we have no idea about when we'll get it, since Bioware stubbornly refuses to give their paying customers any kind of information.
Maybe YOU would be stuck being bored without cheapware like Leliana's song that is nothing else that a further recycling of assets already present in the game rearranged in a different fashion. This of course without even mentioning absolutely useless gimmicks like Darkspawn chronicles, that adds zero to the game.
Of course let's not even fact that people that can't play the game without crashing every few minutes can't play any of the content you mentioned.
Please don't talk for everyone else.
The gaming market is packed full of quality games, we certanly don't need Bioware to nickel and dime us continuously in order to be entertained.
#192
Posté 05 juillet 2010 - 12:11
#193
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Posté 05 juillet 2010 - 12:35
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#194
Posté 05 juillet 2010 - 12:46
I hope DLCs maight have worked at least for it.
For patches if there will be irregular patches I believe I want to test Beta.
Maybe I can't bear then that what the game is.
I'll have to fear every step, but Bioware don't have to fear for one result.
And this is just my problem but I want some Origin story matters to confirm witch is least impoetant here of course.
Modifié par mildmort, 05 juillet 2010 - 12:59 .
#195
Posté 05 juillet 2010 - 12:47
Abriael_CG wrote...
The gaming market is packed full of quality games, we certanly don't need Bioware to nickel and dime us continuously in order to be entertained.
Well if that were the case then why are you here? Off with you.......go to that immaginary market of yours. Last I checked in the real world there are too few good RPGs out there and certainly no better source than BioWare.
#196
Posté 05 juillet 2010 - 12:52
#197
Posté 05 juillet 2010 - 12:58
night0205 wrote...
Do we have different games or something? I play on a PC, and It works fine. Hence... the game that was released to me, and the patches that I installed, and the DLC that I have bought, and the Expansion that I also spent money on, all works fine. Is it perfect? No, there have been very few crashes because of the 1.03 patch... The game is not broken for me, so obviously it has something to do with either your PC or the consoles, sense I don't play on them. My advice, if this game is soooo important to you, go buy a computer that can run it. Unless, I got some magical version of the game that no one else got. Unlikely.
If it's the fault of the player's console or pc, then why is there a large list of bugs being fixed in this patch? Many people playing on pc, play with specs above what is required, and short of conflicts from various mods it's more likely the game/patches causing the problems. If the game works for you, great, have fun, but don't think that everyone has the same experience, there are many well documented bugs in many threads on the forums here, so they do exist whether you've experienced them or not.
When it comes down to it, it's great to see a real patch finally being worked on, but it's taken over eight months so if people are upset they have good reason for it. The forums are made for people to come and voice their opinions, good or bad, not to come kiss Bioware's ass for doing something many months overdue. Flaming people for being rightly upset about the lack of fixes seen is just sad, especially when it's the same fanboyish responses being spouted again and again.
#198
Posté 05 juillet 2010 - 01:02
#199
Guest_qwerty1234567_*
Posté 05 juillet 2010 - 01:06
Guest_qwerty1234567_*
13Dannyboy13 wrote...
night0205 wrote...
Do we have different games or something? I play on a PC, and It works fine. Hence... the game that was released to me, and the patches that I installed, and the DLC that I have bought, and the Expansion that I also spent money on, all works fine. Is it perfect? No, there have been very few crashes because of the 1.03 patch... The game is not broken for me, so obviously it has something to do with either your PC or the consoles, sense I don't play on them. My advice, if this game is soooo important to you, go buy a computer that can run it. Unless, I got some magical version of the game that no one else got. Unlikely.
If it's the fault of the player's console or pc, then why is there a large list of bugs being fixed in this patch? Many people playing on pc, play with specs above what is required, and short of conflicts from various mods it's more likely the game/patches causing the problems. If the game works for you, great, have fun, but don't think that everyone has the same experience, there are many well documented bugs in many threads on the forums here, so they do exist whether you've experienced them or not.
When it comes down to it, it's great to see a real patch finally being worked on, but it's taken over eight months so if people are upset they have good reason for it. The forums are made for people to come and voice their opinions, good or bad, not to come kiss Bioware's ass for doing something many months overdue. Flaming people for being rightly upset about the lack of fixes seen is just sad, especially when it's the same fanboyish responses being spouted again and again.
The same can be said about those who flame others for no other reason than to say "you're wrong, there's no way you can't have bugs" (but with a few more colorful words). And that has happened more times than anything in ALL of the 1.04 Patch Update threads. I'm not saying he's right in what he said, by any means, i'm just saying that there are users on the other side of the fence doing the exact same thing and without any real justification. He is, however, the only one i've seen doing any flaming from his side.
#200
Posté 05 juillet 2010 - 01:09
Agreed?




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