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[YohkoOhno]

Maybe YOU would be stuck being bored without cheapware like Leliana's song that is nothing else that a further recycling of assets already present in the game rearranged in a different fashion. can't play any of the content you mentioned.
Please don't talk for everyone else.

I think you should do the same. Stop using "we" when you are only talking about your own opinions. It seems you dismiss Leliana's song as a "nickel and dime" thing, yet it seems that a lot of people are excited about this one, and it doesn't appear to be akin to the Darkspawn one.

I think you have a lot of good points, but I suggest not dismissing everybody as a "fanboy".  You can find ways to make your point without attacking everybody who disagrees with you. The way you are behaving here, it's the complete opposite of being a "classy gamer".  

Modifié par YohkoOhno, 05 juillet 2010 - 01:15 .

[Darth_Trethon]

BrunoB1971 wrote...

I have a plan....a great one folks!, lets make a patch to patch Abriael from whining.

Agreed?

+1

[Feraele]

Apex Sammoth wrote...

Feraele wrote...

Thajocoth wrote...

I know I'm sounding like a broken record here, but the memory leak issues you mention being fixed... Does this mean that the delayed death bug is fixed? As a game coder myself, I suspected that to be a memory leak the moment I saw it.

Abriael_CG wrote...

I'll jusyt say that the lack of an at least tentative timeframe for release...

While I agree with you about releasing DLC before the core game's out of beta, I disagree about a timeframe.  Once they say a date, that date is set, and only what they can fix by then will be fixed.  By not stating a date, they're able to fix as much as possible.  Stating a date would mean that we get less.

I have to agree with you.   Some folks are never happy however, even when they know fixes are being made...they want it done FASTER, just because.

Patience,  you guys, there seems to be a lonnnnnng list of bugs they are addressing,  lets allow Bioware to do that, and stop criticizing how long its taking.   You aren't behind the scenes, you aren't dealing with the problems, you also don't have to deal with the certification processes with Microsoft and Sony.  

It all takes time.    Thats the gist of it.

"Patience"  I think many of us have been more than Patient with Bioware / EA with fixes to this game. Keep in mind I been waiting since release in Nov 2009- It is now July 2010. I have been waiting patiently though numerous DLC, 2 bad Patches, and 1 Expansion. I haven't purchased any DLC since Wardens Keep because of the constant crashes on the PC. I think We have every Right to Criticize how long it is taking. Seeming they put more effort into release more content than putting more time and resources into fixing the core game. It has Taken Too long to begin with. Sorry, I don't buy into the we are not behind the scenes crap its been 9 months with these same issues. NO Excuses. 

Continue nagging then,  its not going to get done any faster no matter what you think.     As I stated before it takes time,   I play on PC too, I don't have the problems you do ..it seems like,  because I have played every dlc, and the expansion.    I've created 23 characters and not had to stop playing due to the game being "unplayable" or whatever.

I am working with a four year old core duo machine.     Not top of the line, not all the bells and whistles that some folks can afford.     I have been playing since November 3rd.     Patch 1.03 fixed "some" of the slow loading problem with my AMD machine.      I encounter bugs, yes,   alot of times I can exit out, or reload and the bug goes away. 

Played alot of games, seen alot of bugs and glitches.   Yelling at the people who do the fixes will not get the fixes done any faster, because you think that works.  It doesn't work.     Yelling at people ends in...them closing their ears to you.    

This is why I am advocating patience....yes MORE patience.   At least NOW, the fixes are in the works.    You're going to have to be satisfied with that until the patch is finally released whenever that is.

And frankly after 23 characters,  any fixes that "might" be beneficial for my machine and game,  are just about too late,  I am not sure if I care to create a couple more just to experience what the game would be like without having to do workarounds and reloads.

At any rate.....on with the beeching.

[Abriael_CG]

Darth_Trethon wrote...
Well if that were the case then why are you here? Off with you.......go to that immaginary market of yours. Last I checked in the real world there are too few good RPGs out there and certainly no better source than BioWare.

Unfortunately for your obvious fanboyish desire to see only yes-men here that have nothing but praise for Bioware and this game, playing plenty other games on every available platform doesn't mean I can't be here and write whatever I see fit. No matter if you like it or not.

First of all, the gaming market (that's definitely not an imaginary entity) isn't made only by RPGs. There are plenty of viable genres, even the RPG market has plenty of very viable players. Actually this kind of debacle contributes to the fact that more and more people definitely don't consider bioware as the best RPG developer anymore. Even "young" developers like CD projekt are often held in higher esteem between many RPG fans.
It all comes to the value of credibility. With this kind of behavioir Bioware is trading credibility with quick money. It'll come to bite them in the rear sooner or later. Soon we'll have Fallout new Vegas, then next year The Witcher 2 that seems extremely promising, and more down the line. There's plenty to overshadow Dragon Age 2 if Bioware doesn't up their game quite a lot.
Resting on laurels is never a good idea in a competitive market.

night0205 wrote...

Do we have different games or
something? I play on a PC, and It works fine. Hence... the game that was
released to me, and the patches that I installed, and the DLC that I
have bought, and the Expansion that I also spent money on, all works
fine. Is it perfect? No, there have been very few crashes because of the
1.03 patch... The game is not broken for me, so obviously it has
something to do with either your PC or the consoles, sense I don't play
on them. My advice, if this game is soooo important to you, go buy a
computer that can run it. Unless, I got some magical version of the game
that no one else got. Unlikely.

Sorry to burst just
another bubble of yours, but my PC is way above the recomended specs and very well kept. As I already said previously. It has no problems with other games, so no, it's not the PC's fault. The only thing at fault is Bioware's sloppy optimization.

As long as a PC is above the requirements and it's regularly well kept and updated, it's the developer's responsibility to get the game working correctly on it. The "it's the PC's fault" excuse holds no validity at all.

Also, a story-driven game whose story is broken (big errors in the finale, dead characters that appear alive anyway, characters that shouldn't be king that are instead considered king and similar, quests that don't trigger in several condition and that affect the story and more) IS a broken game. And that happens on every platform, on every single copy of the game.
If you don't notice or don't care, it's your problem. Some people enjoy being fed low-quality products, but it doesn't make the game less broken.

@Feraele: If everyone was patient ad libitum, things would never get done. Patience has a limit, and Bioware has already been given plenty leeway, especially considering how many development resources they dedicate to DLCs. Your continuous calls to "patience" do nothing else to encourage Bioware to think that no matter how long they stall for time in order to nickel and dime us more adn more, they'll get away with it.
Without people voicing discontent about broken and buggy games and sloppy code and rising awareness on the shenanigans of developers/publishers the gaming market would be much worse.

Modifié par Abriael_CG, 05 juillet 2010 - 01:24 .

[Yurago]

Abriael for Bioware president, that is all.

Modifié par Yurago, 05 juillet 2010 - 01:24 .

[Feraele]

@Abrieal



Well dang those Bioware employees, how DARE they take holidays on the first of July (Canada Day) and the fourth of July (Independence Day)



*cracks the whip* get back to work you lazybones!!



hehehe oh man.

[oblivionenss]

Darth_Trethon wrote...

BrunoB1971 wrote...

I have a plan....a great one folks!, lets make a patch to patch Abriael from whining.

Agreed?

+1

+2

[Feraele]

Feraele: If everyone was patient ad libitum, things would never get done. Patience has a limit, and Bioware has already been given plenty leeway, especially considering how many development resources they dedicate to DLCs. Your continuous calls to "patience" do nothing else to encourage Bioware to think that no matter how long they stall for time in order to nickel and dime us more adn more, they'll get away with it.





Oh so now they're "getting" away with something...oh those sneaky bastiges..Call the cops ..dang it!!



Give me a break.

[BrunoB1971]

oblivionenss wrote...

Darth_Trethon wrote...

BrunoB1971 wrote...

I have a plan....a great one folks!, lets make a patch to patch Abriael from whining.

Agreed?

+1

+2

Raises second hand thus

+3  now! 

[Abriael_CG]

Feraele wrote...
Well dang those Bioware employees, how DARE they take holidays on the first of July (Canada Day) and the fourth of July (Independence Day)
*cracks the whip* get back to work you lazybones!!
hehehe oh man.

Are extremely backlogged professionals skipping vacations in order to finally get the work done such an extraneous concept for you? I do it regularly, and live quite well anyway. This ensures that my clients are satisfied and I get more clients (which mean more money) in turn. The same happens to many others, so I guess it doesn't THAT bad.
I guess some people simply don't understand the concept of "dedication" and "enthiusiasm" from one's work nowadays, which is actually weird, given that it's repeated on basically every job ads I read, expecially when related to game development.

And yeah they're "getting away" with having released an bugged and sloppy product with bad optimization that causes it to work incorrectly on many configurations, and with waiting more than eight months before solving (hopefully) the problems caused by their slioppy work.
It's unfortunate, and for sure a bad example set for future games.

Modifié par Abriael_CG, 05 juillet 2010 - 01:32 .

[Feraele]

Abriael_CG wrote...

Darth_Trethon wrote...
Well if that were the case then why are you here? Off with you.......go to that immaginary market of yours. Last I checked in the real world there are too few good RPGs out there and certainly no better source than BioWare.

Unfortunately for your obvious fanboyish desire to see only yes-men here that have nothing but praise for Bioware and this game, playing plenty other games on every available platform doesn't mean I can't be here and write whatever I see fit. No matter if you like it or not.

First of all, the gaming market (that's definitely not an imaginary entity) isn't made only by RPGs. There are plenty of viable genres, even the RPG market has plenty of very viable players. Actually this kind of debacle contributes to the fact that more and more people definitely don't consider bioware as the best RPG developer anymore. Even "young" developers like CD projekt are often held in higher esteem between many RPG fans.
It all comes to the value of credibility. With this kind of behavioir Bioware is trading credibility with quick money. It'll come to bite them in the rear sooner or later. Soon we'll have Fallout new Vegas, then next year The Witcher 2 that seems extremely promising, and more down the line. There's plenty to overshadow Dragon Age 2 if Bioware doesn't up their game quite a lot.
Resting on laurels is never a good idea in a competitive market.

night0205 wrote...

Do we have different games or
something? I play on a PC, and It works fine. Hence... the game that was
released to me, and the patches that I installed, and the DLC that I
have bought, and the Expansion that I also spent money on, all works
fine. Is it perfect? No, there have been very few crashes because of the
1.03 patch... The game is not broken for me, so obviously it has
something to do with either your PC or the consoles, sense I don't play
on them. My advice, if this game is soooo important to you, go buy a
computer that can run it. Unless, I got some magical version of the game
that no one else got. Unlikely.

Sorry to burst just
another bubble of yours, but my PC is way above the recomended specs and very well kept. As I already said previously. It has no problems with other games, so no, it's not the PC's fault. The only thing at fault is Bioware's sloppy optimization.

As long as a PC is above the requirements and it's regularly well kept and updated, it's the developer's responsibility to get the game working correctly on it. The "it's the PC's fault" excuse holds no validity at all.

Also, a story-driven game whose story is broken (big errors in the finale, dead characters that appear alive anyway, characters that shouldn't be king that are instead considered king and similar, quests that don't trigger in several condition and that affect the story and more) IS a broken game. And that happens on every platform, on every single copy of the game.
If you don't notice or don't care, it's your problem. Some people enjoy being fed low-quality products, but it doesn't make the game less broken.

@Feraele: If everyone was patient ad libitum, things would never get done. Patience has a limit, and Bioware has already been given plenty leeway, especially considering how many development resources they dedicate to DLCs. Your continuous calls to "patience" do nothing else to encourage Bioware to think that no matter how long they stall for time in order to nickel and dime us more adn more, they'll get away with it.
Without people voicing discontent about broken and buggy games and sloppy code and rising awareness on the shenanigans of developers/publishers the gaming market would be much worse.

Okay responding to your ( as per usual massive wall of text)

Nobody is attempting to get away with anything here, you are not being ripped off.   If you feel you are ..write a letter, then close out your social network account and uninstall the game.

If I was THAT unhappy, as you seem to be ..thats what I would do.   Simple reaction.

The way I see it is this,   activity is taking place NOW.    That activity is BUG FIXING.    Bug fixing seems to be a long long list, that they are finally addressing AND keeping us updated EVERY WEEK, on the latest bugs on the list that are being addressed.

I think thats pretty much all we can ask for..what else do you want?    A bullwhip to make them work faster on that code?   Come on.

[Feraele]

Abriael_CG wrote...

Feraele wrote...
Well dang those Bioware employees, how DARE they take holidays on the first of July (Canada Day) and the fourth of July (Independence Day)
*cracks the whip* get back to work you lazybones!!
hehehe oh man.

Are extremely backlogged professionals skipping vacations in order to finally get the work done such an extraneous concept for you? I do it regularly, and live quite well anyway. This ensures that my clients are satisfied and I get more clients (which mean more money) in turn. The same happens to many others, so I guess it doesn't THAT bad.
I guess some people simply don't understand the concept of "dedication" and "enthiusiasm" from one's work nowadays, which is actually weird, given that it's repeated on basically every job ads I read, expecially when related to game development.

And yeah they're "getting away" with having released an bugged and sloppy product with bad optimization that causes it to work incorrectly on many configurations, and with waiting more than eight months before solving (hopefully) the problems caused by their slioppy work.
It's unfortunate, and for sure a bad example set for future games.

You're from Italy right?  Do they have labour laws over there, or is everyone forced to work overtime all the time?

Bioware doesn't have to follow YOUR business practices whatever they might be...IF you are even in business,  as you have been going on about over the months since I started here.

This isn't about how you run things, this is about how Bioware runs things.   They follow policies set up for them by more than likely their parent company.

Things will get done according to the priorities that are assigned.   We are the customer, we have been made aware that these things are being fixed.  We are getting weekly updates on what the current fixes are.   They haven't set a date yet, I assume because there are many more to fix?

Yeah we had to wait a long time.   but at least NOW its happening.   Can't do more than that.

[BrunoB1971]

Abriael_CG wrote...


Are extremely backlogged professionals skipping vacations in order to finally get the work done such an extraneous concept for you? I do it regularly, and live quite well anyway. This ensures that my clients are satisfied and I get more clients (which mean more money) in turn. The same happens to many others, so I guess it doesn't THAT bad.
I guess some people simply don't understand the concept of "dedication" and "enthiusiasm" from one's work nowadays, which is actually weird, given that it's repeated on basically every job ads I read, expecially when related to game development.

And yeah they're "getting away" with having released an bugged and sloppy product with bad optimization that causes it to work incorrectly on many configurations, and with waiting more than eight months before solving (hopefully) the problems caused by their slioppy work.
It's unfortunate, and for sure a bad example set for future games.

Damn IPOD stuck on repeat now, playing the same "25 cents" song above over and over and over....cant wait till the battery dies!

I can wait until my ipod is fixed and i can play my Lady Gaga again.....mmmmmm....wait a minit! maybe if i give it a good wahck with a 5 pound mallet...that might do the trick!  

[YohkoOhno]

Abriael_CG wrote...
Are extremely backlogged professionals skipping vacations in order to finally get the work done such an extraneous concept for you? I do it regularly, and live quite well anyway. This ensures that my clients are satisfied and I get more clients (which mean more money) in turn. 

To be fair though, we don't know that the programmers are taking the holiday, Victor said the "team" but that may not be every employee.  Also, you can't stress out debuggers and QA as the burnout factor will make it worse, as any programmer should know.

I suspect Bioware employees put in long hours as the norm.  If I would complain about anything, it's probably that the patch issues aren't considered as important as work on Dragon Age 2 and other projects.  I think they've been reversing that after the issues kept piling up.

There's always a form of economic Triage that has to be done, and maybe there are just not that many statistical complaints for them to spend a lot of resources on the patching.  That wouldn't be right by my account, and I know for those that have the bugs its severe.  A_CB is correct that it will have repercussions on the fan base if not taken care of effectively.  And between the competition in the genre and the evolution of RPGs in general, I doubt Bioware will stay on top if they don't get a little better.  They seem to have trouble communicating well with the fans regarding some of these issues, the DLC model seems rather dissatisfying the way it has been implemented (at least compared to what other games do), and it would be easy for an upstart company to take over.  

[Abriael_CG]

Feraele wrote...
Okay responding to your ( as per usual massive wall of text)

If it's that wordy you don't needed to quote it entirely. Keyboards have the "del" and "backspace" buttons even for that purpose.

Nobody is attempting to get away with anything here, you are not being ripped off.   If you feel you are ..write a letter, then close out your social network account and uninstall the game.

So according to you the forum exists solely for fanboys and yesmen to come here and pat bioware and each other on the back? 
Sorry, but discussion forums are also made for paying customers to voice their opinions and

If I was THAT unhappy, as you seem to be ..thats what I would do.   Simple reaction.

I paid for a product, I want to be able to use it without hassle. And i have the full right to complain to my heart's content if that doesn't happen. Whether you like it or not.
Simple concepts of "commerce" and "customer".

The way I see it is this,   activity is taking place NOW.    That activity is BUG FIXING.    Bug fixing seems to be a long long list, that they are finally addressing AND keeping us updated EVERY WEEK, on the latest bugs on the list that are being addressed.

The list may be long, but it's most definitely not "8 months" long. If they dedicated most of their development resources to fixing the game (like any actually professional developer respectful for their customer's money and time would do) it would have been fixed months ago.

I think thats pretty much all we can ask for..what else do you want?    A bullwhip to make them work faster on that code?   Come on.

I want to know when I will be able to play the game (and expansion) I paid for. And then I want to be able to do just that.
Updating us "every week" doesn't really matter much if they continue to refuse to give us even a tentative idea on when all this "humongous" (lol) work will ever bear fruit. Especially if in the meanwhile they continue to roll out content whose development only slows down the actual fixing of the game.
It reeks of "stalling for time".

[13Dannyboy13]

Abriael_CG wrote...
First of all, the gaming market (that's definitely not an imaginary entity) isn't made only by RPGs. There are plenty of viable genres, even the RPG market has plenty of very viable players. Actually this kind of debacle contributes to the fact that more and more people definitely don't consider bioware as the best RPG developer anymore. Even "young" developers like CD projekt are often held in higher esteem between many RPG fans.
It all comes to the value of credibility. With this kind of behavioir Bioware is trading credibility with quick money. It'll come to bite them in the rear sooner or later. Soon we'll have Fallout new Vegas, then next year The Witcher 2 that seems extremely promising, and more down the line. There's plenty to overshadow Dragon Age 2 if Bioware doesn't up their game quite a lot.
Resting on laurels is never a good idea in a competitive market.

I have to agree there, this patch is a step in the right direction, but they have a long way to go in redeeming themselves. I remember the whole bazaar incident and how quickly people jumped back on their side after a obviously scripted apology, now the same thing with the patch, although we will actually see something in this regard, but when is still unknown. I do agree with supporting the companies that make good games, but also in holding them accountable for delivering fixes when things are broken, or not working as they should.

[Feraele]

qwerty1234567 wrote...

BrunoB1971 wrote...

oblivionenss wrote...

Darth_Trethon wrote...

BrunoB1971 wrote...

I have a plan....a great one folks!, lets make a patch to patch Abriael from whining.

Agreed?

+1

+2

Raises second hand thus

+3  now! 

+4

+5 

[Abriael_CG]

BrunoB1971 wrote...
Damn IPOD stuck on repeat now, playing the same "25 cents" song above over and over and over....cant wait till the battery dies!

If you keep pressing the same button and selecting the same song, the ipod will continue playing that same song.
Cause -> Effect.

The battery is rechargeable, so I wouldn't hold much hope if I were you.

[Abriael_CG]

13Dannyboy13 wrote...
I have to agree there, this patch is a step in the right direction, but they have a long way to go in redeeming themselves. I remember the whole bazaar incident and how quickly people jumped back on their side after a obviously scripted apology, now the same thing with the patch, although we will actually see something in this regard, but when is still unknown. I do agree with supporting the companies that make good games, but also in holding them accountable for delivering fixes when things are broken, or not working as they should.

The funny part is that they went to the lenght of promising comparable events for their Canadian and European customers. Have you seen anything? Because I sure didn't.

Sounds like another "stalling for time" operation, if not an outright lie.

[BrunoB1971]

Feraele wrote...

qwerty1234567 wrote...

BrunoB1971 wrote...

oblivionenss wrote...

Darth_Trethon wrote...

BrunoB1971 wrote...

I have a plan....a great one folks!, lets make a patch to patch Abriael from whining.

Agreed?

+1

+2

Raises second hand thus

+3  now! 

+4

+5 

My dog Stitch raises one paw!

+6

[Feraele]

quote: So according to you the forum exists solely for fanboys and yesmen to come here and pat bioware and each other on the back?

Sorry, but discussion forums are also made for paying customers to voice their opinions and

- end wall of text



Yeah paying customers...hey!! I'm one of those. Sorry about that. Referring to your comment..no thats YOUR take on things. Whenever you don't seem to be getting anywhere in an argument you haul out the fanboy and troll labels.



At any rate ..its your rep...have a tantrum, scream and yell at the coders, threaten them with closing your account (teehee) whatever.

[Feraele]

qwerty1234567 wrote...

@Bruno: Think we should wait for that patch or just start ignoring him till its released?

I think we should "stall for time"  *nods*