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[JohnnyBeGood2]

This hurts you

[HBC Dresden]

TheAzureVanguard wrote...

Wow I have NEVER heard Harbinger say those things about the squad mates? Does he say that in any battle or at certain points?

I would also like to know this.

[Foolsfolly]

I've heard it during the suicide mission as well.

[battle hunger]

Sovereign, then Legion, explains to you that Reapers are the collective mind of a specie. Millions, even billions of minds into one single being. However they all speak as one, like Sovereign, or Harbinger, and form a single personality. You can then guess that you'll need someone to control all those minds, and shepard most likely is the kind of candidate they're looking for, someone with a mind as solid as ever, something he demonstrated by not getting his mind shattered by the beacons.



That's prolly also why the prothean reaper failed, they might never have found one prothean which mind was so powerful than the rest of his specie that he could bend them to his will.

[Kaiser Shepard]

Shepard has through Shiala interfaced with the Thorian and thus gained the Cipher, which basically is the essence of the Prothean race. The hidden Liara files reveal that having the Cipher is the actual reason why Harbinger/the Reapers want Shepard, not him being responsible for Sovereign's death.

The actual relevance of it is debatable, but it's probably either still transferring the essence of the Prothean race into an "ark ship" after all (EDI speculated they were unfit to be reaperfied themselves) or cheating their own system of "one ship, one will, many minds" (as Legion put it), where reaperfying Shepard essentially means the Human-Reaper will gain thousands if not millions of "minds".

Modifié par Kaiser Shepard, 04 juillet 2010 - 01:16 .

[ztonkin]

Well Shepard's the one with the magic camera zipping along behind him, so he's clearly the important one. Seriously though, his mind contains the Cypher, and he showed great drive in his hunt for Saren. Then, after Shepard is killed, he shows up alive and well two years later, so Harbinger is rather interested in Shepard, the apparent "Space Vampire" (cookie for reference!).

And while Joker technically delivered the killing blow, it was Shepard that raced through the Citadel, opened the Relay that allowed the entire Fleet in, killed Saren, and then when he killed Husk Saren, he inadvertantly stunned Sovereign long enough that the Fleet was allowed to kill it.

So I can see why Harbinger, the apparent leader of the Reaper Fleet, is interested in the one individual that seems to be indestrucible and managed to destroy the Reapers' plans twice over.

And still....the magic camera follows Shepard around. That's important.

Modifié par ztonkin, 04 juillet 2010 - 01:18 .

[didymos1120]

Slidell505 wrote...

InHarmsWay wrote...

Well according to the Liara/Shadowbroker files, which may or may not be a dlc for later. It's said that The interest in Shepard is due to the fact that his mind was able to handle the Prothean visions and cipher and has very little to do with the defeat of Sovereign. Most minds would have been destroyed by that.

What about Seran?

So, um, what? That guy was a pile of ash last time I saw him.  Then Sovereign's leg dispersed said pile of ash.

[BlackyBlack]

It's revealed in the cut Liara dialogue that will probably be a DLC



Check YouTube if you want spoilers

[didymos1120]

ztonkin wrote...
And while Joker technically delivered the killing blow...

Well, actually, it was probably a gunnery officer.  Joker was responsible for lining up the shot.  Also, why does the killing blow get so much attention?  Sovvy was being pounded by all sorts of Alliance craft after the shields dropped.  I'm sure that didn't do the armor plating any favors. 

[Foolsfolly]

didymos1120 wrote...

ztonkin wrote...
And while Joker technically delivered the killing blow...

Well, actually, it was probably a gunnery officer.  Joker was responsible for lining up the shot.  Also, why does the killing blow get so much attention?  Sovvy was being pounded by all sorts of Alliance craft after the shields dropped.  I'm sure that didn't do the armor plating any favors. 

Which is why I never put much stock into the whole "You killed one now they're interested in you" line of thought. There were thousands of people all responsible for taking out Soverign. Shepard had a large role in that death but he's hardly unique enough to go after (and after Shepard's friends).

The Beacon/Cyper thing is interesting. Battle Hunger may be right with them needing a strong will to control the Reaper. That means the mind that could take these are important instead of the Beacon/Cyper being important. I wish this was looked into more in the game.

[kaimanaMM]

Foolsfolly wrote...

Which is why I never put much stock into the whole "You killed one now they're interested in you" line of thought. There were thousands of people all responsible for taking out Soverign. Shepard had a large role in that death but he's hardly unique enough to go after (and after Shepard's friends).

Seriously?

I think didymos summed it up pretty well.

Which Joker (and actually, it wasn't Joker, but Joker and everyone else that crewed the Normandy) couldn't have done had Shep not fought to the top of the tower, dispatched Saren, taken control of the Citadel and opened up the relays and the ward arms, and then fought and defeated Sovereign's avatar made of charred Saren, which provided a crucial distraction and glitched Sovereign enough to make it drop its shields.   Yes, it was a team effort, but that team was Team Shep.  Its members were under Shep's command, and many were personally recruited by Shep, often at great personal risk.  Of course they share in the glory, but without Shep, they'd have never had their shot at it. So, yes, Sovereign's death was a direct result of the commander's actions.

Other things to consider : 

Shepard is a natural leader.

Shepard is incredibly strong-willed.

Shepard is augmented with cybernetics and functioning at peak capacity and only getting stronger.

Heck, I'd make a bee-line straight for Shepard too (I know, the AI is goofy, that's not what I'm trying to point out here), s/he's the perfect Reaper candidate.

[didymos1120]

Foolsfolly wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

ztonkin wrote...
And while Joker technically delivered the killing blow...

Well, actually, it was probably a gunnery officer.  Joker was responsible for lining up the shot.  Also, why does the killing blow get so much attention?  Sovvy was being pounded by all sorts of Alliance craft after the shields dropped.  I'm sure that didn't do the armor plating any favors. 

Which is why I never put much stock into the whole "You killed one now they're interested in you" line of thought. There were thousands of people all responsible for taking out Soverign. Shepard had a large role in that death but he's hardly unique enough to go after (and after Shepard's friends).

Thousands were involved yes, but Shepard didn't just have "a large role".  Shep was absolutely central to the whole series of events which culminated in Sovereign's destruction.  To repeat my first post in this thread (edit: just noticed it got re-quoted above.  Not gonna rewrite this whole thing, though):

Foolsfolly wrote...
 The Illusive Man's the only person who even notices this obsession in the game and his hypothesis is simply that the Reapers are interested because Shepard killed Sovereign (although Joker really did the killing blow).

Which Joker (and actually, it wasn't Joker, but Joker and everyone else that crewed the Normandy) couldn't have done had Shep not fought to the top of the tower, dispatched Saren, taken control of the Citadel and opened up the relays and the ward arms, and then fought and defeated Sovereign's avatar made of charred Saren, which provided a crucial distraction and glitched Sovereign enough to make it drop its shields.   Yes, it was a team effort, but that team was Team Shep.  Its members were under Shep's command, and many were personally recruited by Shep, often at great personal risk.  Of course they share in the glory, but without Shep, they'd have never had their shot at it. So, yes, Sovereign's death was a direct result of the commander's actions. 

Remove Shep, and none of that happens.  Yes, conceivably someone else could have done all that, but then they'd have been that absolutely central keystone without which galactic civilization would have collapsed. A Shep by any other name...

Modifié par didymos1120, 04 juillet 2010 - 01:51 .

[Mr.Badass]

 Obviously Shepard's body was saved and he got resurrected once. My theory is that Harbinger knows about this, so instead of having to risk any remains or trace of Shepard they want to preserve his body to the collector base, probably to fuel the human reaper and to guarantee that Shepard's team wont reach victory, obviously Shepard is the only reason they won and had continious progress. A body that they cant save = the reapers has ultimatly won.